Well, this was a first for me. Shot one into the other and they both got stuck. Is it a miss or a good shot? If it is, which one gets pocketed? Both?
Is this a miss?
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What would he do with the ball that was originally impeding then? In this case they look like they are both going on. I assume he would just drop it witht he other?hotdogg said:
hotdogg said:
Actually in order to drop a ball it has to be totally off the table.
Which in this picture it does not look like either is off the table. In other words if the 2 was off the table you would pocket it. If the 3 was off the table you would pocket it. If they both were off the table then you would pocket both.
And trust me I have seen two balls stuck in a pocket and both not touching the slate bed!
Just judging by this picture it looks like neither is all the way off the table, so I would say that it is a miss and it would be the other shooter's turn.
BCA rule book 2007-2008 page 13.
Pocketed Ball:
A ball is pocketed if, as a result of an otherwise legal shot, it drops off the bed of the table into a pocket and remains there. A ball that rebounds from a pocket back onto the table bed is not a pocketed ball. A ball that comes to rest touching both the bed of the table and any other ball in a full pocket is not a pocketed ball.
Both of those balls are touching the bed of the table from looking at the picture!
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1.47 Jawed Balls
If balls are wedged between the sides of a pocket or between cushions and any of those balls are suspended in the air, the referree will inspect the balls and judge whether, if they were free to fall directly downward, the balls would come to rest on the bed of the table or in the pocket. The referee will then place the balls in the positions as judged and play will continue.
If you were playing in league however they would probably pocket both balls because if one were removed the other would fall.
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Yes, without a doubt, both of these balls should be considered pocketed. The center of the object-ball must be above the bed of the table. In this case, both object-ball centers are above the pocket.
Yep,
you can now proudly announce to the world "My Balls Have Been Jawed !"
Sounds a little bit painful to me.
you can now proudly announce to the world "My Balls Have Been Jawed !"
Sounds a little bit painful to me.
Think about this though, if you shoot a the 2 ball ( or whatever the lowest # ball hung up in that pic) and hit it, but neither ball falls and the cue ball just comes back on the table without hitting a rail....that is a foul. No rail was contacted since both balls are frozen to the rails and each other. I think they would both be pocketed since they are hanging over the lip of the slate. JMO.
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Where is the base of the ball? That is the way I've always understood the ruling to be judged by. Just like placing a ball near the head string after a scratch in 14.1 or 1 pocket. It's the base of the ball that matters.
I've seen this happen twice. No money was being gambled, just fun games. Both times, both balls were dropped.
I've seen this happen twice. No money was being gambled, just fun games. Both times, both balls were dropped.
3.33 JAWED BALLS
If two or more balls are locked between the jaws or sides of the pocket, with one or more suspended in air, the referee shall inspect the balls in position and follow this procedure: he shall visually (or physically if he desires) project each ball directly downward from its locked position; any ball that in his judgement would fall in the pocket if so moved directly downward is a pocketed ball, while any ball that would come to rest on the bed of the table is not pocketed. The balls are then placed according to the referee?s assessment, and play continues according to specific game rules as if no locking or jawing of balls had occurred.
In this case, if either ball were projected downward, they would obviously fall in the pocket, so they are both pocketed.
If two or more balls are locked between the jaws or sides of the pocket, with one or more suspended in air, the referee shall inspect the balls in position and follow this procedure: he shall visually (or physically if he desires) project each ball directly downward from its locked position; any ball that in his judgement would fall in the pocket if so moved directly downward is a pocketed ball, while any ball that would come to rest on the bed of the table is not pocketed. The balls are then placed according to the referee?s assessment, and play continues according to specific game rules as if no locking or jawing of balls had occurred.
In this case, if either ball were projected downward, they would obviously fall in the pocket, so they are both pocketed.
