That's a relative new rule in one hole. I think it was added to Steve Booth's rule set as time went on. Before that became a "standard" rule in one pocket, a player could purposely double hit the CB and freeze the opponent to the tit.
Is this a real 1-pocket rule or what?
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Bob is an expert, yes.
But one pocket is played by onepocket.org rules. Not WPA or BCA rules. Onepocket.org rules were made by gamblers about 20 years ago when the site was started, as a project to get some sort of official rules to one pocket, of how the game is "actually" played. None of the "other" rule books had anything for it worth a damn.
actually in gambling all over, the only way ive seen it played, is your shot doesn't start until the cueball goes over the line . so it isnt even a foul. its just like if you were moving the cueball around with your stick or the tip with ball in hand.
and if by chance you moved an object ball back there it would be replaced as we play cueball fouls only.
this eliminates all those arguments.
if in a tournament its their rules or whatever the ref.says like it or not.
and if by chance you moved an object ball back there it would be replaced as we play cueball fouls only.
this eliminates all those arguments.
if in a tournament its their rules or whatever the ref.says like it or not.
that doesnt work as then the original player will be facing hooked and be on one scratch first in 3 loses.
never seen or heard of that rule. or it being used or even trying to be used.
and you cannot push or double hit freeze which is called trapping the ball. in a tournament it might be whatever the ref. calls , and gambling you would just be required to put it back and shoot it properly.
all that shit people make up that could happen never happens when gambling.
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mindblowing to me that this isn't treated as any old foul just because you had BIH before it occurred. Just wild to me. Can't get my little brain around it.
This might not make sense to you but I'd make intentionals minus 5 or ball in hand. This would stop all CS (C for chicken) play and rules.
i agree with the intentional being charged more especially for the much better players or better player you are playing. as a scratch costs the weaker player more than the better player so trading scratches is more costly per ball for the weaker player. that really isnt fair.
when getting spotted a big amount i make his scratches cost as much as the spot %. rounded up.
when getting spotted a big amount i make his scratches cost as much as the spot %. rounded up.
ball in hand behind the line means your shot doesn't start until you shoot the ball past the line. in some places or tournaments you can technically still foul before the shot. like moving more than two balls or two balls whatever. or double hit the cue ball while it is going forward past the line, etc.
Moving the CB with your cue, ferrell, shaft, whatever is not a foul. Once you’re down on the CB, any forward motion of the cue is a stroke. If you touch the CB warming up it’s a foul. Show me the BCA, WPA, any standardized rule that says the game or especially a BIH doesn’t start till the CB crosses the line. You must be using some BS house rule. Any sorry ass APA rules do not apply to real pool.
I’ll be waiting for your rule book post
There are other rules that can come up. I think it is better to go by a complete set of written rules. A good way is to use the rules on onepocket.org (supplemented by the WSR) as the basis and depart only if a change is agreed to beforehand.
This can't be the case because you could just start shooting balls in the kitchen and you shot wouldn't "start." I think you may be misunderstanding (or misapplying) the rules.
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because you cant just start shooting balls in the kitchen. your turn at the table has started. your shot hasnt.
if you want to call a foul on someone with ball in hand in the kitchen because his tip touched the cue ball while he was lining up go do it. see how far you get gambling.
and then just try and take the cue ball for yourself with ball in hand.
if he was stroking then then hit the cueball it would have gone over the line.
if you want to call a foul on someone with ball in hand in the kitchen because his tip touched the cue ball while he was lining up go do it. see how far you get gambling.
and then just try and take the cue ball for yourself with ball in hand.
if he was stroking then then hit the cueball it would have gone over the line.
people have been gambling for decades with no rule book to cover all the b.s. rules and almost never has there been a major problem with a rule.
only after they put it in writing do those ones find things that they can call a foul on or something. tournaments are a different thing as i said.
they are a game of rules and there is nothing wrong with calling any thing on an opponent you can.
because he cant quit you, or not pay you, or never play you again.. which are the three great reasons you dont call little things on players when gambling.
only after they put it in writing do those ones find things that they can call a foul on or something. tournaments are a different thing as i said.
they are a game of rules and there is nothing wrong with calling any thing on an opponent you can.
because he cant quit you, or not pay you, or never play you again.. which are the three great reasons you dont call little things on players when gambling.
Not calling it a foul to keep someone playing necessarily means it IS a foul. We aren't disputing whether you call it or not. But whether it is a FOUL or not. I think your own logic confirms it is a foul.
Also, it's written in the rules, so there's that.
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Here are my two thoughts on this topic. I have played thousands of games of one pocket over the years, and this scenario has never happened to me. #2. If it's true that when you accidentally touch the cue ball when you have ball in hand behind the line, that your opponent will then have ball in hand, well that is a stupid rule and should be changed. Because there is no other scenario in one pocket other than a cue ball scratching that gives your opponent ball in hand, and this should be no exception. So the good part is that this type of scenario is super rare, and like any other game of pool, you and your opponent can agree to some common sense rules.
Money pool (redundant?) being what it is, the rule prevents taking an intentional in that manner. That ventured and hypothetically speaking, I'd rather play well enough to destroy those players who are on guerilla tactics.
That depends. Did this happen on a Tuesday?
I've played my fair share of one pocket and have also never seen or heard of this rule being applied in this manner. I'm not saying Bob is wrong, though, because the rules are relatively clear. I just think this is a scenario where they need to be clarified and/or modified.
It isn't fair that one player is weaker than the other, either. But that's life.
Intentional fouls are a part of the game just like banks, caroms, and dead balls. And a player's ability to understand that, calculate whether it's the best option, and then execute it are just one of the factors that make some players better than others.