Is this legal?

[ne14tennis]

Waiting On Bill

My understanding is you can line up the next shot BEFORE you shoot your shot. But if you shoot your shot AND THEN go line something up, that's coaching.

Yes, but from what Bill said, I understood it to mean that both players have to do it. If only one is doing it and it's the same one, then that could viewed as coaching. The better player is always lining up the next shot he wants his partner to take. I agree with what you said about lining up after the shot.

I also had an instance where I saw someone go up to the ball and lineup as if to see where the contact point was, then step back and line up the imaginary shot and then go back and shoot the shot he was on which was the shot leading to what he'd just measured up.

 

[Milo]

Very true. And on another topic, I have to say I really like it when my partner leaves me with only once choice of a shot. Takes all the guesswork out of it. "What does he want me to do here?" thinking.

Which brings up a whole bunch of other interesting things with scotch doubles.

Why do some guys (not MY partner) think it's beneficial to tell their partner what they did wrong? For I'd say 80% of women (including me), that just makes them start second guessing every shot which is not a good thing.

It was funny to hear guys complain about their partner missing after they were missing every other shot trying to get perfect shape. Hilarious.

I have an email out to Mark Griffin about the initial topic. I'll let everyone know if I get a response.

Well, IMO, its not beneficial. Many men scotch partners do this. The women generally just accept that their partner screwed up. Not sure of the reason. I have been playing scotch for 10 years.(have had around 8 partners or so) Some I have played with awhile and some I have played with only once. I will say this, scotch IMO is the toughest event.
My general rule is, "just accept what your partner leaves you", and dont do anything negative to counteract a "positive scotch experience". LOL
Wait, Is there such a thing as a positive scotch experience?? LOL (just kidding) Scotch can be fun if you find someone you click with.

 

[pool4u]

Well, IMO, its not beneficial. Many men scotch partners do this. The women generally just accept that their partner screwed up. Not sure of the reason. I have been playing scotch for 10 years.(have had around 8 partners or so) Some I have played with awhile and some I have played with only once. I will say this, scotch IMO is the toughest event.
My general rule is, "just accept what your partner leaves you", and dont do anything negative to counteract a "positive scotch experience". LOL
Wait, Is there such a thing as a positive scotch experience?? LOL (just kidding) Scotch can be fun if you find someone you click with.

Yeah, I've had over 10 partners in the 18 years (or so) I've played scotch. But I have to say, I feel better about my ability to win in Scotch than any other event. And I think the only way to have a positive scotch experience is to just win the dang thing.

We had a positive Corona experience during it, too. FWIW.

 

[randyg]

Why can't partners talk to each other? Spectators (who??? ) would get a kick out of hearing their plans and how they do executing those. Especially when top players are talking.

I've never understood the "no talking" rule...is it to save time or what?

Jeff Livingston

The original SD Rules did have a time out. BCA eliminated it for some reason....SPF=randyg

 

[klockdoc]

Are there any Scotch Doubles players here who have been to Vegas and have seen this come up?

Is there any decisive/realistic/enforceable ruling out there for BCA or Valley or APA or anything?

Yes. Not as a argument, but,as a general way of playing the game. Happens all the time. Have never been called on it. Works for both sides.

 

[Milo]

Yeah, I've had over 10 partners in the 18 years (or so) I've played scotch. But I have to say, I feel better about my ability to win in Scotch than any other event. And I think the only way to have a positive scotch experience is to just win the dang thing.

We had a positive Corona experience during it, too. FWIW. [/QUOTE

Well I totally agree. By your rule of thumb, I have had many positive scotch experiences!!!! LOL
Yes, its definately more fun if you win!!!!!

BTW, one time I flipped my partner the finger after we won LOL. It was very funny. He just grinned. (he was getting on me about a safe I played instead of going for the out) BTW, we won the match with the safe. (we got ball in hand)

 

[pool4u]

BTW, one time I flipped my partner the finger after we won LOL. It was very funny. He just grinned. (he was getting on me about a safe I played instead of going for the out) BTW, we won the match with the safe. (we got ball in hand)

I love it!

I have seen a role reversal in scotch one time. I know you weren't saying you did that seriously, so that's not where I'm going.

This girl was on her partner's ass the entire time. Loud, too. And he just took it. Didn't say a word. I felt so sorry for him.

 

[Milo]

I love it!

I have seen a role reversal in scotch one time. I know you weren't saying you did that seriously, so that's not where I'm going.

This girl was on her partner's ass the entire time. Loud, too. And he just took it. Didn't say a word. I felt so sorry for him.

Ive seen that situation also. Felt sorry for the guy. I will honestly say I have NEVER treated my scotch partner with disrespect. Im just not built that way. You win together and lose together, as a TEAM. But I will have to admit, I have some very funny and entertaining memorys in scotch. I think it builds character. LOL If you can handle scotch, You can conquer the world. LOL

 

[pool4u]

Ive seen that situation also. Felt sorry for the guy. I will honestly say I have NEVER treated my scotch partner with disrespect. Im just not built that way. You win together and lose together, as a TEAM. But I will have to admit, I have some very funny and entertaining memorys in scotch. I think it builds character. LOL If you can handle scotch, You can conquer the world. LOL

I had a partner make me cry once. I was a lot younger.

Yeah, great memories.

I was trying to get shape on the 8-ball and the cue ball came straighter off the rail than I had hoped. Well I make a hand gesture and say "Get over there" and the cue ball hits a piece of chalk or something and kindly moves over there. It was hilarious!

Thankfully, a few people saw it happen so I wasn't alone in that experience. My partner was one of them and needed a few moments to stop laughing before he drilled the 8 in.

"If you can handle scotch, You can conquer the world." Love it!

 

[ne14tennis]

Positive?

Well, IMO, its not beneficial. Many men scotch partners do this. The women generally just accept that their partner screwed up. Not sure of the reason. I have been playing scotch for 10 years.(have had around 8 partners or so) Some I have played with awhile and some I have played with only once. I will say this, scotch IMO is the toughest event.
My general rule is, "just accept what your partner leaves you", and dont do anything negative to counteract a "positive scotch experience". LOL
Wait, Is there such a thing as a positive scotch experience?? LOL (just kidding) Scotch can be fun if you find someone you click with.

I click with my wife....oh you meant playing pool didn't you

We have fun and she doesn't even get mad anymore when I remind her that Scotch involves a partner who will apparently have to wait until stars burnout in heaven to have a clear shot when it's his turn :smile:

 

[ndakotan]

You can't discuss a shot with your teammate?

I live in the sticks relative to most of you, but around here (North Dakota), every Scotch Doubles tournament I've played in allows discussion between teammates (whereas our singles tournaments don't allow coaching). I'd prefer to play by the rules, so maybe I should educate everybody up here (we don't have BCA up here). Is it the intent that you cannot tell your partner what to shoot? How about discussions on which suit to take, what the sequence is, when to break balls out, etc? I find it very odd that you would not be able to discuss your gameplan or shot with your teammate. While I don't believe that coaching during tournaments is acceptable, SD seems different to me. You are a team, you should be able to coordinate your game like one. HELP!

 

[Frankenstroke]

I love scotch doubles, when its league or a casual tournament. At tournaments where the entry is more than $20, I get irritated because some guy always finds a state or national champ to be his partner. I just want a partner who can play a little and is good company.

My first rule of scotch doubles: Never say "I'm sorry". You played your best shot. We're not perfect.

League allows 1 coaching time-out. I try not to use it. Its great when my partner finally decides which shot to take, and its the one I hoped she would do.

One night we were really in sinc and had 2 break-and-runs. Another night she spent texting texting texting between shots. It was irritating to me and the other couple. I decided the next time she does that I'll just give our opponents ball-in-hand.

 

[DelaWho???]

Scotch Doubles is like dancing, someone has to lead. I don't see a problem in saying to your partner "5 ball" if that's what you intended them to shoot. You aren't telling them how to hit it where to leave the CB etc. Telling them how to shoot it would constitute coaching, suggesting what to shoot isn't. If you aren't permitted to communicate with your partner, first time partners (who have never played together) are at a huge disadvantage to those teams that have been playing forever.

B

 

[Frankenstroke]

I live in the sticks relative to most of you, but around here (North Dakota), every Scotch Doubles tournament I've played in allows discussion between teammates (whereas our singles tournaments don't allow coaching). I'd prefer to play by the rules, so maybe I should educate everybody up here (we don't have BCA up here). Is it the intent that you cannot tell your partner what to shoot? How about discussions on which suit to take, what the sequence is, when to break balls out, etc? I find it very odd that you would not be able to discuss your gameplan or shot with your teammate. While I don't believe that coaching during tournaments is acceptable, SD seems different to me. You are a team, you should be able to coordinate your game like one. HELP!

You can discuss strategy while the other team is at the table. If you are not the breaking team you can see the lay of the balls and decide which shooter should go first.

If there was unlimited coaching allowed the games would last too long and some guys would over-coach their partner, putting way too much pressure on them. I prefer to keep my partner in her comfort zone and deal with the outcome.