Is this legal??

[Chopdoc]

Was at a local tournament watching a match.

Local tournament?

I dunno if it is legal. I guess it depends on what rules the local tournament is using.

But I would wonder about it.

If you think it is then call for a ruling.

If not then let it go and live with it.

IMHO unless there is a specific rule in place regarding it then it falls under the "Hey, I don't like that...and why didn't I think of it?" Kind of thing.

Just because I don't like it, never saw it, and never thought of it, does not mean it is a foul.


Honestly, there is more about pool that I don't know than what I do know. So I am always watching to learn.

I have seen this done, but on wonky tables that really were not put together right, in a bar...and I really didn't care. On a proper table it should give no advantage except maybe psychological...especially if it bothered you.

Honestly, as long as his shot is legal I don't care what my opponent does and I will not watch for anything like that. If I do I might be sharking myself.

He can bow, prey, twitch, dance, blow on the chalk. rub the cloth like a woman, push, pull, or otherwise massage anything on the table and I don't really care. He can use duct tape on his cue, voo-doo chants, or act like Earl and I really want no part of it. The table will move with humidity changes, the cloth will change with humidity....will I call the Weather Channel?

If he straddles the table with a crow bar and moves the rail or cushion I'll say something. Pushing on it with his fingers? I won't shark myself with that. Let him have at it. :smile:

Is it legal? I don't know. Ask at the time or let it go. That's where I am on it. :smile:

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[pt109]

You're allowed to move loose impediments though, are you not?

Johnny Archer lint picking is quite acceptable from my point of view.

 

[BRussell]

It is addressed in CSI BCAPL rules as follows:

1-2 Acceptance of Provided Equipment
1. Once your match begins, you accept all provided equipment as standard and legal. After a match has begun, only a referee or event official may declare the equipment defective or unsuitable for play. If the equipment is declared unsuitable for play, all games previously played on that equipment will be counted. (AR p. 78)
2. During a match, it is a foul if you attempt to modify provided equipment without the permission of a referee or event official. The foul occurs immediately upon the attempt, regardless of whether a stroke or shot is attempted. (AR p. 78)


1-2 Acceptance of Provided Equipment
In the event of sub-standard equipment, play might not be stopped or delayed unless conditions are severe. Particularly in tournament play, or other circumstances when time is limited, a match may be required to begin or continue on equipment such as a dirty or unlevel table. The final decision whether to start or continue play is solely at the judgment of the referee or Administrative Authority. If play continues, the Administrative Authority should make their best effort to correct the problem as soon as possible.
1. Situation: Player A, preparing to shoot a ball along the cushions and across the mouth of a side pocket, either pushes on the tip of the cushion or manipulates the cloth at the tip of the cushion at the side pocket.
Ruling: Foul, regardless of whether or not Player A attempts a shot.

AR are applied rules or examples and it is listed as a foul.

Good catch.

 

[barrymuch90]

Lol I know exactly who did this and it's like one of his favorite moves n half the time he's just trying to make light of a tense situation but at the same time it actually may help and when playing pool is ur only source of income ur going to do anything u can to help urself many times pushing the limits of legal or not. I'll admit I've done this exact thing many times but I try to be nonchalant. Again I'd bet my life ur referring to a player of ukrain ethnicity but he's often misidentified as a Russian lol

 

[Masayoshi]

If it is legal, would pushing down on the point before shooting into the side pocket be legal as well? I could see that affecting the outcome of the shot a lot more than when shooting down the rail.

 

[9andout]

It is addressed in CSI BCAPL rules as follows:

1-2 Acceptance of Provided Equipment
1. Once your match begins, you accept all provided equipment as standard and legal. After a match has begun, only a referee or event official may declare the equipment defective or unsuitable for play. If the equipment is declared unsuitable for play, all games previously played on that equipment will be counted. (AR p. 78)
2. During a match, it is a foul if you attempt to modify provided equipment without the permission of a referee or event official. The foul occurs immediately upon the attempt, regardless of whether a stroke or shot is attempted. (AR p. 78)


1-2 Acceptance of Provided Equipment
In the event of sub-standard equipment, play might not be stopped or delayed unless conditions are severe. Particularly in tournament play, or other circumstances when time is limited, a match may be required to begin or continue on equipment such as a dirty or unlevel table. The final decision whether to start or continue play is solely at the judgment of the referee or Administrative Authority. If play continues, the Administrative Authority should make their best effort to correct the problem as soon as possible.
1. Situation: Player A, preparing to shoot a ball along the cushions and across the mouth of a side pocket, either pushes on the tip of the cushion or manipulates the cloth at the tip of the cushion at the side pocket.
Ruling: Foul, regardless of whether or not Player A attempts a shot.

AR are applied rules or examples and it is listed as a foul.

Great pull!

Lol I know exactly who did this and it's like one of his favorite moves n half the time he's just trying to make light of a tense situation but at the same time it actually may help and when playing pool is ur only source of income ur going to do anything u can to help urself many times pushing the limits of legal or not. I'll admit I've done this exact thing many times but I try to be nonchalant. Again I'd bet my life ur referring to a player of ukrain ethnicity but he's often misidentified as a Russian lol

You are correct sir!!!:thumbup:

 

[pt109]

Lol I know exactly who did this and it's like one of his favorite moves n half the time he's just trying to make light of a tense situation but at the same time it actually may help and when playing pool is ur only source of income ur going to do anything u can to help urself many times pushing the limits of legal or not. I'll admit I've done this exact thing many times but I try to be nonchalant. Again I'd bet my life ur referring to a player of ukrain ethnicity but he's often misidentified as a Russian lol

Lol....:grin: