Is this possible to control?

I fully agree that the half masse is under-practiced and under-used but I don't think such a shot would go in the diagramed shot since it would require 1 3/4 diamonds of curve in about 4 feet. Seems to me that a nearly vertical "full masse" stroke would be required.

At least I don't think my 5'9" height would permit enough angle of attack to pull off a half masse. For me to consider it, the CB would have to be about where the 10 ball is.

But of course, as you point out... the kick is the way to go. With the 8 ball off the rail, it would be hard to miss it.

Regards,
Jim

Bob Jewett said:
Yes and yes. If you manage to land the cue ball right at the 8, I think there is a chance to keep the cue ball on the table. I suppose you could practice precise landing spots when you have the other aspects of your game covered. Personally, I'd shoot the masse before the jump, but I have some idea of how to aim the masse so I have a good chance to hit the ball. Also, I've practiced masses a lot more than jumps. The sane way to play the shot for most people on that particular table is the one-rail kick.

So, you have two circus shots and a standard shot to choose from.
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It is

a jump masse' shot. You jump the 11 to the left of the 12 and the masse brings it in to the 8 ball. The problem will be having enough speed to actually make the 8.
 
Blackjack said:
Well, you have the advice you give, I have the advice I give. The jump was the result of a position error. The shot on the 8 was what it was because of the position - not because he needs to practice this shot. You may not see it that way - and I understand that and I can sleep at night knowing that you won't agree with me. IMO, practicing a low percentage shot like that is a waste of time. Worrying about why you missed it is a waste of time. A lot of the shots we miss are because of position errors and leaving our zone of comfort. I think that players would better spend their time NOT getting into that situation in the first place- your view may differ from mine, and that's ok.



Of course it was!



It was interesting!

But...

I'm not one of the people that would tell anybody to jump over two balls to make contact with a ball that is 2 inches from the rail. That fact excuses me from addressing the jump shot when I can identify better and/or higher percentage options.

My mind works like this ... that shot's not going to be successful 98% of the time, so why waste time worrying about it? Just don't go there. Find out what got you into that situation, learn from it and don't let it happen again. That makes sense to me... lol
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What if it's last ball on a double hill race to 9 for $1000?
Would you like to know if it is possible in that scenario?
 
Discussing options here is kinda silly. The original post was designed to show his jump-shot, not necessarily an accurate layout of the situation.

Now, regarding the Original Poster's question - You are confined to the physics of nature when playing pool. There's nothing you can do about that. The moment you play a jump shot, you have to accommodate for the set variables associated with that jump shot. If you want height, you need speed. If you want distance AND height, you need more speed. If you're going to use a lot of speed, you better have a lot of runway.

As Blackjack stated, you played the wrong shot. Just about everything else in the world would have been better than jumping the ball since you are practically guaranteed to fly off the table and automatically lose the game. If the masse is available, you should have done that. If it's not, you have to look at either kicking OR creating clusters.

No matter what you do, you're supposed to lose here but you might as well force your opponent to do the work instead of just conceding which is practically what you did.
 
Regarding the is there any way to controle question...


I wonder if anyone has done any testing on this or if there is a rule of thumb that would be follwed on jump shots...

Something like the CB will bounce for half the distance that it is in the air....So...If I intend to jump the CB and I see that my landing target is 2 feet away...the ball will bounce on the slate for 1 feet before it settles to a roll on the slate of the table...

So....IF the above would be true...based on the diagram and the intent to jump over both balls....since the carry of the CB would be more than double the distance than abvailable from the landing to the rail, there would be a good chance the ball will still be bouncing when it contacts the 8 and risks going off the table...

That is the only way I can see having any controle over knowing if the ball is going to jump off the table...Obviously my "settle out" distance is made up and may not be accurate.....but I do wonder if a normal arc jump shot would have consistant "settle out" distance...

I guess knowing that "settle out" distance would help make your decision on the full two ball jump vs. the single ball jump with masse.... vs the kick.

End of Hypothesis.... ;)
 
BazookaJoe said:
What if it's last ball on a double hill race to 9 for $1000?
Would you like to know if it is possible in that scenario?
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I would NEVER consider the jump shot. Control is low percentage. You give up ball in hand the guy can do whatever he wants - and he's the favorite to win this game.

If I kick at the 8 ball and make contact, he doesn't get ball in hand. "Maybe" I'll get a lucky roll. That "maybe" might not sound like much - but I have more of a chance to win this game with that "maybe" than I do by jumping the cue ball off of the table.

At hill-hill for $1000 - you are better off going for the kick, or taking an intentional foul to jam up a few of your opp's balls to prevent him from running out - or to multiply his difficulty. I would never just jump at it, knowing that my odds of bouncing the ball over the table were over 85%.
 
BRKNRUN said:
Regarding the is there any way to controle question...


I wonder if anyone has done any testing on this or if there is a rule of thumb that would be follwed on jump shots...

Something like the CB will bounce for half the distance that it is in the air....So...If I intend to jump the CB and I see that my landing target is 2 feet away...the ball will bounce on the slate for 1 feet before it settles to a roll on the slate of the table...

So....IF the above would be true...based on the diagram and the intent to jump over both balls....since the carry of the CB would be more than double the distance than abvailable from the landing to the rail, there would be a good chance the ball will still be bouncing when it contacts the 8 and risks going off the table...

That is the only way I can see having any controle over knowing if the ball is going to jump off the table...Obviously my "settle out" distance is made up and may not be accurate.....but I do wonder if a normal arc jump shot would have consistant "settle out" distance...

I guess knowing that "settle out" distance would help make your decision on the full two ball jump vs. the single ball jump with masse.... vs the kick.

End of Hypothesis.... ;)
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Well, to add to your hypothesis, the jump must also be GREATER than what's required since nobody can accurately execute the height of a jump. The shooter has to add at least 30% to make sure he clears the obstructions.
 
BazookaJoe said:
What if it's last ball on a double hill race to 9 for $1000?
Would you like to know if it is possible in that scenario?
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If it were hill-hill, I would be thinking about whether to call heads or tails for the next set. Seriously, it almost doesn't matter what you do. However, for 1k, I'm going to make sure I make a legal hit.
 
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