Isn't there enough proof yet?

They made alternate breaks because fans were not getting to

see their favorite player and the other people saying "this is the

only sport where the opponent may not even get a chance " so they just changed the

rules. I don't like it

but I never got a call to ask me either haha.

Shane Shaw and a select group of players even before them

caused the rule change because someone got tired of the crying
 
Why is alternate break the standard in one pocket but unacceptable in rotation games or 8 ball?

Now I think you know that answer, nine_ball.

The break in one-hole is a HUGE advantage.
Sometimes the incoming player never recovers fully from a really good break.

It's the nature of one-hole to provide for alternate breaks.
It just makes sense.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the way it has always been, by the way, in one hole:
alternate breaks.
 
Why do we need to even discuss alternating break. It has no place in the game, that's my opinion. It changes the dynamics of the game & is a direct result of a lot of whining from those that couldn't keep up with a Shaw or SVB. Freaking millenials & their everybody gets a turn hang up. Pool is a game where it's your turn until you foul, miss or play a safe.
My man, say it one more time!!!
Alternate break is for pu$$ies!
 
Alt break, nine-ball rack, your own with the #1 ball on spot and I'll bet the guy leading 4-1 all day every day. How much you want to loose? Johnnyt

I'm playing Van Boening and I"m up 4-1 in a race to 100. Who you taking?
 
If it makes no difference, leave it like it was for 100's of years...winner breaks. Johnnyt
 
They made alternate breaks because fans were not getting to

see their favorite player and the other people saying "this is the

only sport where the opponent may not even get a chance " so they just changed the

rules. I don't like it

but I never got a call to ask me either haha.

Shane Shaw and a select group of players even before them

caused the rule change because someone got tired of the crying


You said fans:rotflmao1::rotflmao1::rotflmao1:
Jason
 
First, I'll get my opinion out of the way: For short sets of long games and point races, like 1-pocket or american rotation, I think alternate breaks make sense. For longer sets of short win/lose games like 9-ball, I prefer winner breaks format, but understand choosing alternate breaks for some tournaments to increase participation or create tension with matches that seem closer than they are.

Now, a couple interesting notes about alternate break vs. winner break...both of which assume that you can assign each player two separate probabilities of winning a rack with and without the break, without considering the psychological impact of the match score or results of previous racks:

1. Any time that the games needed to win the match by each player is equal, the probabilities of winning the match from there are equal in either format.

2. When the number of games needed to win the match are unequal, the player with fewer games needed to win the match benefits from alternate breaks as compared to winner breaks (unless their opponent has a 100% probability of winning on all of their breaks, in which case both formats produce identical odds of winning the match).

This makes handicaps stronger in alt. break tournaments; exactly how much stronger depends on how much of an advantage/disadvantage the break is. This also means that making a comeback in an alternate break format is much more difficult in games where the break is a more significant advantage, such as when the pros are playing 8-ball or 9-ball. The most extreme example is when the trailing player in a winner breaks match wins a game off their opponent's break then runs out the rest of the set; there's no way to do that in alt. breaks, so the pressure of that possibility is still on the leader. Sure, they could be playing alternate breaks and just not make a ball on any of their breaks while their opponent runs out everything, but at least then it feels like it was "fair" right?
 
There are psychological reasons that winner break is the best option. Most people play with a rhythm and some fast ones at that. Giving up the control of the table will break any rhythm. Most all pool games favors the breaker.
 
Lmao! Well said!
Jason

I posted something earlier on Facebook about McCready, that's pretty funny and applies here . So a real close buddy of mine is a player here in Bmore AND HE was a stake horse of one of our top players . He was staking TL against KM. Everybody knew everybody so there was none of that. KM wins the flip and breaks and proceeds to run a 10 PACK LOLOLOLOL! ( JASON, it was at that local action bar ) , so KM runs 10 pack, TL looks at his backer ( my buddy ) and says with the straightest face possible and says " I need the 8 ". Also with the straightest face possible, his stake horse and my buddy looks at him and says " WTF IS THE 8 GONNA DO???????" LOLOLOLOLOL
 
Most all pool games favors the breaker.
I think that is highly dependent on the game, the conditions, and the skill/strategy of the players. For example, would you say that the player that gets to shoot first after the break in 9-ball is the favorite to win the game? At a pro level, that's certainly true. So is the break an advantage? Only if they make a ball on the break more often than not. What if the table is tight and the balls aren't racking well, so either player only makes a ball on the break 40% of the time? Would you be better off with your opponent breaking in that case?
 
I think that is highly dependent on the game, the conditions, and the skill/strategy of the players. For example, would you say that the player that gets to shoot first after the break in 9-ball is the favorite to win the game? At a pro level, that's certainly true. So is the break an advantage? Only if they make a ball on the break more often than not. What if the table is tight and the balls aren't racking well, so either player only makes a ball on the break 40% of the time? Would you be better off with your opponent breaking in that case?

I'll take my chances
Jason
 
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