Isnt This The Wanted/forsale Section ??
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This site has really gone Down Hill very steadily lately....If you want to gamble so go do it, but not here in the FOR SALE forum.....
Seems like alot of people are very desperate in moving cues ,by the way im not rich and only own one cue so im not feeling bad for the "working slob" because i am one.......... I have been a member here for awhile but lately have been thinking of leaving as the content here has suffered greatly as many others have thought and have already stopped commimg here.....................
Seems like alot of people are very desperate in moving cues ,by the way im not rich and only own one cue so im not feeling bad for the "working slob" because i am one.......... I have been a member here for awhile but lately have been thinking of leaving as the content here has suffered greatly as many others have thought and have already stopped commimg here.....................
I am new here at AZ but I can tell you I have acquired knowledge, an even bigger respect for cues, but the biggest thing I have gained is.... new friends who enjoy cues as much as I do.
You say "wtf"?
I reply with: Maybe you should stop and enjoy the countless knowledge and good people that are the AZ. Don't sweat the small stuff. ;-)
You say "wtf"?
I reply with: Maybe you should stop and enjoy the countless knowledge and good people that are the AZ. Don't sweat the small stuff. ;-)
swfan
Registered
Wanted/For Sale?
I don't post a lot, but I like to read what's going on and I see threads come up in the Wanted/For Sale section often that I don't think should be in here and sometimes the person who started the thread will apologize for putting it there to begin with.
I have a couple of thoughts about this section:
I don't know how everyone else feels about this, but it seems to me that there should be some kind of limit put on the number of times a person can bump a thread back to the front. I won't mention the poster by name, but I saw a cue listed again yesterday that i'd seen over the past few months in the Wanted/For Sale section. I was curious so I went back and checked the sellers previous posts and he started trying to sell that cue 9/2/07 and he's bumped it and started different threads for that same cue. When do you tell yourself it's not going to sell or maybe give ebay a try.
As far as the lotteries in the Wanted/For Sale section go, maybe AZ could add a separate section for them since there seems to be a lot of interest in this type of selling just to keep things separate. Anyone interested could check out that section to see what was up with chances being sold for cues.
Nothing being said about this topic will satisfy everyone and I thought i'd just throw in my 2 cents.
I don't post a lot, but I like to read what's going on and I see threads come up in the Wanted/For Sale section often that I don't think should be in here and sometimes the person who started the thread will apologize for putting it there to begin with.
I have a couple of thoughts about this section:
I don't know how everyone else feels about this, but it seems to me that there should be some kind of limit put on the number of times a person can bump a thread back to the front. I won't mention the poster by name, but I saw a cue listed again yesterday that i'd seen over the past few months in the Wanted/For Sale section. I was curious so I went back and checked the sellers previous posts and he started trying to sell that cue 9/2/07 and he's bumped it and started different threads for that same cue. When do you tell yourself it's not going to sell or maybe give ebay a try.
As far as the lotteries in the Wanted/For Sale section go, maybe AZ could add a separate section for them since there seems to be a lot of interest in this type of selling just to keep things separate. Anyone interested could check out that section to see what was up with chances being sold for cues.
Nothing being said about this topic will satisfy everyone and I thought i'd just throw in my 2 cents.
pharaoh68
Banned
pooldogue said:All this time ive been thinking that this is the WANTED/FOR SALE section and all i can see is AUCTIONS/FOR 25.00 DOLLARS YOU CAN HAVE A CHANCE TO WIN ???????????????????????????
w.t.f has this site come to???
People come to this section because they WANT a cue. And others a SELLING a chance to win that cue.
Its WANTED / FOR SALE.
And ya know what? it works at getting your asking price.
You don't like the raffles, don't buy in. But don't complain. Its perfectly legit.
Why the problem with raffles..
I dont really care, and probably neither should you. I get more upset when i see another $3000.00 cue, and another post for some book on ebay, again, and again..yu get the drift. But if it works for someone else, then good for them, i can just skip it.
I dont really care, and probably neither should you. I get more upset when i see another $3000.00 cue, and another post for some book on ebay, again, and again..yu get the drift. But if it works for someone else, then good for them, i can just skip it.
I could care less if the raffles are being done for non profit orgs.
What I do care about is whether the person raffling the cue is honorable, delivers as promised and accurately describes and photographs the cue.
As long as thereare not scams going on, then I am all for any and all creative ways to buy and sell cues. This is a very slow time for people to sell cue stick you know?
What I do care about is whether the person raffling the cue is honorable, delivers as promised and accurately describes and photographs the cue.
As long as thereare not scams going on, then I am all for any and all creative ways to buy and sell cues. This is a very slow time for people to sell cue stick you know?
swfan said:
Didn't you know that if you apologize ahead of time, that makes it ok to do it? It's like if you start a statement with "No offense, but..." you can't take offense to that statement. It's in the rules!
swfan said:
I think eBay is getting more and more scary lately. I'm sure many of you are up on eBay's happenings, especially those who frequent the W/FS section. Now with the recent changes, sellers can't leave a buyer anything but positive feedback. And Paypal has made some changes too. Basically the way they have it set up to "protect the buyer" you can easily buy a cue, pay for it, receive it, then say you never got it and Paypal will refund your money. It's then the seller's resposibility to PROVE that the buyer received the cue in good condition. And if it still goes south, the seller can't even leave negative feedback to let other people know the guy is a scammer. Ridiculous.
Hell I don't even totally mind the concept of raffling a cue. I used to do it every Friday and Saturday night when I ran a room in Dayton. I'd pick a cheap cue and pick a time when I had a packed house and plenty of bodies in the room. I'd sell $5 a shot tickets until I got retail for the thing. And then I'd pick a random neutral person to mix up the names and draw one from a hat. It was a great way to guarantee a few cue sales on the weekend.
The difference is those people saw the cue. They saw the drawing. They saw their opposition. They saw the guy shooting with his new cue and walk out the door with it. The whole process was done right in front of everyone. Nothing went to charity, so yeah, I was in the wrong, but it was fair and everyone's chances were very clear.
But I guess that's why I'm not impressed when people talk about a new and creative way to sell a cue. Hell I was doing it 5 years ago. I know how easy it would be to rig a raffle. I also know that I started doing them on a weekend that I was desparate to sell an extra couple of cues to make up the difference in rent that month.
To me it's the same as putting "Guess who made this cue" as your title as a way to get more people to see your cue. It's been done. The first time, yeah it was cool, but a week later when EVERYONE thinks it's new and creative for them to do the same thing everyone else is doing, it just gets old.
But on a positive note...if raffles help you guys to sell a cue, I sincerely wish you luck in your sale. The market is dry and if that moves cues for you then more power to you.
Opinions were solicited...now you know mine.
As long as the raffles are done with the winner being chosen by some sort of independent means (Lottery numbers for example), I dont see how there could be rigged raffles. Everyone knows there number before the lottery balls are pulled.
but yeah, there are no new ideas, I'm in 100% agreement with that...everything in marketing is a rehash of what has already been done. This method IS moving cues though and for that I am all for it.
but yeah, there are no new ideas, I'm in 100% agreement with that...everything in marketing is a rehash of what has already been done. This method IS moving cues though and for that I am all for it.
fssgolf said:
Please, you newbie.......... i care because ive been here at least four years longer than you and i know for sure that alot of people that have great knowledge have left here for other sites because of one thing or another and ill have to say "most" of the people "RAFFLING" cues are all new people here and i think when i go to the wanted/forsale section im not going there to look for "Raffles" im going to look or buy a cue and i need to navigate through all the bullsh!t raffles before i get to the for slae items..........Now i know it must bother legitimate for sale threads because they are getting bumped pages back for "RAFFLES"...................
As for the i-trader i really dont believe in this system so i dont need stupid points to buy or sell a cue on here........
Ive seen newbies with four times the posts i have does that make them any more or less knowledgeable than me ?? No , it means they have more time to hang here and more to say...........
Here's my take........
There is a raffle for a Southwest right now. Lets say I buy 2 spots at $75 each and win the cue. Now I have a several thousand dollar cue that I have $150 into, good for me. Now lets fast forward 6 months, a year, whatever. I'm selling the cue. Lets say its worth $3000. If I get that for it I'm up $2850, again, good for me. But lets say I'm selling so my car doesn't get repoed or my wife is having a baby or I lose my job. I list the cue for $3000 but you get on and give me a cash offer of $2000 and thats the only offer I get and I NEED to sell it. I take your $2000 and I'm up $1850, you get a $3000 cue at a third off and we both come out of the situation doing very well. The disadvantage to this is that it can hurt the value of cues potentially but I would think the raffles would have to be pretty wide spread for that to happen.
Raffle on people!
Dave
There is a raffle for a Southwest right now. Lets say I buy 2 spots at $75 each and win the cue. Now I have a several thousand dollar cue that I have $150 into, good for me. Now lets fast forward 6 months, a year, whatever. I'm selling the cue. Lets say its worth $3000. If I get that for it I'm up $2850, again, good for me. But lets say I'm selling so my car doesn't get repoed or my wife is having a baby or I lose my job. I list the cue for $3000 but you get on and give me a cash offer of $2000 and thats the only offer I get and I NEED to sell it. I take your $2000 and I'm up $1850, you get a $3000 cue at a third off and we both come out of the situation doing very well. The disadvantage to this is that it can hurt the value of cues potentially but I would think the raffles would have to be pretty wide spread for that to happen.
Raffle on people!
Dave
Purdman
Banned
DiamondDave said:
What you don't know is how many people in this world will scam you. If you don't win the cue, do you know who did? Could it possibly be the auctioneer or his best friend? I personally think there is to much room for dishonesty with these raffles/auctions. JMHO
Peace, Purdman
Purdman said:What you don't know is how many people in this world will scam you. If you don't win the cue, do you know who did? Could it possibly be the auctioneer or his best friend? I personally think there is to much room for dishonesty with these raffles/auctions. JMHO
Peace, Purdman
When linked to a Lottery, you take most of the scams out of the picture. The cue still has to be delivered though, and it might be hard to explain to the Authorities how you got ripped off in an illegal raffle it you did not receive the cue you won.
Every year at our state tourny and each time I've been to Vegas there are numerous vendors that "Illegally" raffle off cues all the time. What's the difference? I don't see a problem with them and I don't see a problem with auctions on here either.
pooldogue said:
Come on man your killing me with all of this newbie stuff you know at one point John Schmidt was a newbie here as was Jay Helfert , and many of the cue makers here ... Does it make a newbie more or less knowledeable then you ??? No ... Nor does it make you more or less knowledeeable then a newbie ... Of course with your arguements and slamming of new posters on this board I'm seriously considering changing my opinion here... Give it a break here if it were not for newbies no one would be here posting we all had to start somewhere ...
I did'nt even want to post in this thread but your arguement is starting to sound lame and more of a vendetta or a slam on new posters... It's like your saying this is my forum and I resent anyone else that even thinks they can start posting here... Then you go on to say your worried what all this will do to the forum and scared it may kill AZ....Truth of the matter is AZ needs new posters as well as old ... sooner or later people move on ... Life happens and draws them away ... Old age kicks in and they pass on ... If you don't have a influx of newbies how do you replace them???
As for the raffles I think time will sort all of that out and I have no comment on that ...
If they don't deliver ...
If someone raffles off a cue and don't deliver it that would not be a good senario at all... The same as someone selling a cue here and not delivering heck not to long ago a cue maker got sick and had several hardships ... There was thread after thead of AZ'ers that were about ready to lynch him... Turns out that the cuemaker was good to his word and just behind due to all the hardships ... I saw a few of those AZ'ers backtracking a little then ... Some had valid concerns some went a little over board...
I have also seen cues sold on here that were delivered late or went missing and were not insured and again Az'ers raised the roof and were all in it to help out the AZ'er who got wronged ... And in most cases it was straightend out ... Lord help the first person that tries to rip off anyone on this forum or not deliver as promised ... AZ'ers do not tolerate that very well and who ever attempts to rip someone off it is asking for some serious hurt ....
What was it Wyatt Earp said in the movie ...
" You tell 'em I'm coming! And Hell's coming with me you hear! ..."
That is what this forum has always reminded me of whenever someone tried to rip off a forum member ... Whoever tries to rip someone off will be ruined on this forum and be looking over thier shoulder in real life you never know where a AZ'er may be and he is only one post away from calling in the possee.. I would hate to be in the shoes of anyone that tried to run a scam or rip someone off in this forum...
If someone raffles off a cue and don't deliver it that would not be a good senario at all... The same as someone selling a cue here and not delivering heck not to long ago a cue maker got sick and had several hardships ... There was thread after thead of AZ'ers that were about ready to lynch him... Turns out that the cuemaker was good to his word and just behind due to all the hardships ... I saw a few of those AZ'ers backtracking a little then ... Some had valid concerns some went a little over board...
I have also seen cues sold on here that were delivered late or went missing and were not insured and again Az'ers raised the roof and were all in it to help out the AZ'er who got wronged ... And in most cases it was straightend out ... Lord help the first person that tries to rip off anyone on this forum or not deliver as promised ... AZ'ers do not tolerate that very well and who ever attempts to rip someone off it is asking for some serious hurt ....
What was it Wyatt Earp said in the movie ...
" You tell 'em I'm coming! And Hell's coming with me you hear! ..."
That is what this forum has always reminded me of whenever someone tried to rip off a forum member ... Whoever tries to rip someone off will be ruined on this forum and be looking over thier shoulder in real life you never know where a AZ'er may be and he is only one post away from calling in the possee.. I would hate to be in the shoes of anyone that tried to run a scam or rip someone off in this forum...
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