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Tommy-D

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> As many times as I've tried to help newcomers with safety advice,I was nearly a victim this past week at school. The newest lathe we have has a rather high toolpost,and we were using a toolholder that held the tool up at an angle,where you adjust the length of the tool sticking out of the holder to adjust your center-height.

I was TIRED of having to try and grind more front relief than usual on my HSS threading tools,instead of grinding them on the threading tool fixture I made for the surface grinder,because the surface grinder gets them much sharper,and the form is always perfect. The old toolholder caused the cutter to rub without extra relief on the front,and the tool would often be sticking so far out in front to get on center that it would cause chatter on deep grooving cuts and thread undercuts.

I made a new toolholder,and showed it to the instructor,who was testing it out by taking a .050 face cut with the feed engaged. I'm leaning on the tailstock,where I typically stand to watch facing cuts,and paying close attention to the quality of cut and chip control,like usual.

Next thing I know,I feel a slight tug on my t-shirt,which was bigger than normal,and NOT TUCKED IN!. I disregarded it at first,thinking one of the younger kids in the class was just goofing off like normal. I felt it again,and it was getting tighter. I look down,and my shirt-tail is wrapped up in the leadscrew,so I yelled and stepped on the footbrake. I'm already pondering reaching into my instructor's pocket and grabbing his boxcutter to free myself,as the machine has enough of my shirt I can't stand up straight. At this point it was either cut myself loose or have the shirt jerked off me,or the undesirable 3rd option,getting a hand or worse pulled in.

We got the spindle stopped,and the instructor looks at me like I've lost my mind,before he realizes what's happened. Needless to say,I'm sweating bullets,embarassed beyond belief,and still laughing about it. Jeff the instructor even took cell phone pics of it,saying this was too good to miss,and after I got my shirt loose a good time was had by all with it. I've washed the shirt and plan on hanging it up in the shop as a reminder for future students that accidents DO happen,even when you THINK you are doing things right,and that how you REACT to a dangerous situation can play a role in whether you get hurt or not,and can impact how bad.

I wanted to add that we are not only getting 2 brand new Sharp lathes and mills shortly after this next session starts,we just got a large grant from the Tennessee Lottery Commision that brought us a brand new Haas CNC/manual lathe and mill. These machines can be used just like a manual lathe or mill,while the computer generates the code for that operation,or run under normal CNC control. As long as the operator does his job,it's all good,a crash generates programming for a crash though. These machines also have the computer capacity to allow you to run a program virtually,so you can tweak it and eliminate crashes.

This means at some point,all of our old equipment will be auctioned off or sold for scrap. Most of the old lathes are South Bend belt drives,a couple SB geared-head,and 2 LeBlonds. All the mills are Bridgeports. Tucking my shirt in from now on,Tommy D.
 
Tommy-D said:
> As many times as I've tried to help newcomers with safety advice,I was nearly a victim this past week at school. The newest lathe we have has a rather high toolpost,and we were using a toolholder that held the tool up at an angle,where you adjust the length of the tool sticking out of the holder to adjust your center-height.

I was TIRED of having to try and grind more front relief than usual on my HSS threading tools,instead of grinding them on the threading tool fixture I made for the surface grinder,because the surface grinder gets them much sharper,and the form is always perfect. The old toolholder caused the cutter to rub without extra relief on the front,and the tool would often be sticking so far out in front to get on center that it would cause chatter on deep grooving cuts and thread undercuts.

I made a new toolholder,and showed it to the instructor,who was testing it out by taking a .050 face cut with the feed engaged. I'm leaning on the tailstock,where I typically stand to watch facing cuts,and paying close attention to the quality of cut and chip control,like usual.

Next thing I know,I feel a slight tug on my t-shirt,which was bigger than normal,and NOT TUCKED IN!. I disregarded it at first,thinking one of the younger kids in the class was just goofing off like normal. I felt it again,and it was getting tighter. I look down,and my shirt-tail is wrapped up in the leadscrew,so I yelled and stepped on the footbrake. I'm already pondering reaching into my instructor's pocket and grabbing his boxcutter to free myself,as the machine has enough of my shirt I can't stand up straight. At this point it was either cut myself loose or have the shirt jerked off me,or the undesirable 3rd option,getting a hand or worse pulled in.

We got the spindle stopped,and the instructor looks at me like I've lost my mind,before he realizes what's happened. Needless to say,I'm sweating bullets,embarassed beyond belief,and still laughing about it. Jeff the instructor even took cell phone pics of it,saying this was too good to miss,and after I got my shirt loose a good time was had by all with it. I've washed the shirt and plan on hanging it up in the shop as a reminder for future students that accidents DO happen,even when you THINK you are doing things right,and that how you REACT to a dangerous situation can play a role in whether you get hurt or not,and can impact how bad.

I wanted to add that we are not only getting 2 brand new Sharp lathes and mills shortly after this next session starts,we just got a large grant from the Tennessee Lottery Commision that brought us a brand new Haas CNC/manual lathe and mill. These machines can be used just like a manual lathe or mill,while the computer generates the code for that operation,or run under normal CNC control. As long as the operator does his job,it's all good,a crash generates programming for a crash though. These machines also have the computer capacity to allow you to run a program virtually,so you can tweak it and eliminate crashes.

This means at some point,all of our old equipment will be auctioned off or sold for scrap. Most of the old lathes are South Bend belt drives,a couple SB geared-head,and 2 LeBlonds. All the mills are Bridgeports. Tucking my shirt in from now on,Tommy D.

"I've washed the shirt and plan on hanging it up in the shop as a reminder for future students that accidents DO happen,even when you THINK you are doing things right,and that how you REACT to a dangerous situation can play a role in whether you get hurt or not,and can impact how bad."

What about your underwear?

Dick
 
These machines can be used just like a manual lathe or mill,while the computer generates the code for that operation,or run under normal CNC control. As long as the operator does his job,it's all good,a crash generates programming for a crash though. These machines also have the computer capacity to allow you to run a program virtually,so you can tweak it and eliminate crashes.
First, good thing you are ok.

Let me get this right.
So you run it manually, make a part. Then the machine remembers what you did?
 
> According to what I've been told Joey,that is exactly the case. Jeff the instructor ordered these 2 machines after being shown a demo by a Haas rep at a state convention for Tennessee Technology Center instructors.

The Haas catalog has these listed as "training" machines,that mimic whatever you do,good or bad. If you center-drill too deep or not deep enough,it remembers it,but any mistakes can be edited out,but correct procedures can be saved onto a 500GB hard drive. It also has USB 2.0 slots,and we even got 40GB jump drives with it.

We also got 2 training modules that are the exact same control panel as the machines,but run whatever program you give it virtually.

The unfortunate thing is,none of us are going to get to use these until we start the CNC phase of the course,which is still 4-6 months away for me. At least we have the lathe that almost got me,and a Sharp mill that is just over a year old to continue to make my manual projects on. Sure makes it easier to make parts on machines you can trust. Tommy D.
 
That is nuts.
So if I make parts and I want the next one to have a bigger hole or smaller hole, I just edit the g-codes.
Can you say TAPERING to the tee?
 
> Trust me Joey,I'm as impressed as you are. Here are the links for the lathe and mill on the Haas site,as well as a .wmv link for the lathe demo video.

http://www.haascnc.com/details_LATHE.asp?ID=310#CNCLatheTreeModel

http://www.haascnc.com/VMC_MODEL_TM.asp#toolroom

http://www.haascnc.com/news/new_files/LATHE/Toolroom Lathe.wmv

The mill we got is the TM-1. We're supposed to be getting a 5C digital indexer too as part of our tooling package which will be ordered when the next session starts this Thursday. So far,the machines have yet to even be wired or had the air connection hooked up. An option they have on every lathe they make is digital indexing on the lathe spindle itself. In a brochure,they show a router spindle using a 5/16 ball-nosed end mill cutting flutes down the side of a rifle barrel,then indexing and doing it all over. Imagine the rings you could make,or the accuracy you could cut v-grooves for points with,and have repeatable accuracy within .00005.

I started this course a couple years ago,and ran out of money,as I wasn't on financial aid,my grandfather started me out. I finally got approved for aid,and as it worked out,I couldn't have picked a better time to finish. Tommy D.
 
Tommy-D said:
> Trust me Joey,I'm as impressed as you are. Here are the links for the lathe and mill on the Haas site,as well as a .wmv link for the lathe demo video.

http://www.haascnc.com/details_LATHE.asp?ID=310#CNCLatheTreeModel

http://www.haascnc.com/VMC_MODEL_TM.asp#toolroom

http://www.haascnc.com/news/new_files/LATHE/Toolroom Lathe.wmv

The mill we got is the TM-1. We're supposed to be getting a 5C digital indexer too as part of our tooling package which will be ordered when the next session starts this Thursday. So far,the machines have yet to even be wired or had the air connection hooked up. An option they have on every lathe they make is digital indexing on the lathe spindle itself. In a brochure,they show a router spindle using a 5/16 ball-nosed end mill cutting flutes down the side of a rifle barrel,then indexing and doing it all over. Imagine the rings you could make,or the accuracy you could cut v-grooves for points with,and have repeatable accuracy within .00005.

I started this course a couple years ago,and ran out of money,as I wasn't on financial aid,my grandfather started me out. I finally got approved for aid,and as it worked out,I couldn't have picked a better time to finish. Tommy D.
Dear Lord is all I can say.:eek:
K, lemme pawn my house for em. :D
 
JoeyInCali said:
These machines can be used just like a manual lathe or mill,while the computer generates the code for that operation,or run under normal CNC control. As long as the operator does his job,it's all good,a crash generates programming for a crash though. These machines also have the computer capacity to allow you to run a program virtually,so you can tweak it and eliminate crashes.
First, good thing you are ok.

Let me get this right.
So you run it manually, make a part. Then the machine remembers what you did?
you would think a lathe that smart would
tell you to "get your damn shirt out of the lead screw tommy!!!" :eek:
seriously now, glad nothing worse happened
best part about it,
is now those kids can see how easily and quickly a FUBAR can occur
 
anytime your able to laugh about it afterwords then it was a good day. i've witnessed tangled hair and a finger knocked off by a brass impeller at a pump shop i've worked at. glad to hear your okay.
 
I was just reading this post. Minding my own business. And wack....to the back of my head. I look up and my GF is standing there. She saw Joey's avitar and thought I was on some sex site. <sigh>

-J
 
itsjustjay said:
I was just reading this post. Minding my own business. And wack....to the back of my head. I look up and my GF is standing there. She saw Joey's avitar and thought I was on some sex site. <sigh>

-J
that's hilarious!!!!
pm joey a smack in the head for getting you in trouble :D
 
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