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jalapus logan said:
My final answer... The arrow doesn't matter much. I've never played with low deflection anything nor carbon fiber. I played with both this past week exclusively in the Vegas BCAPL event in the tournament using a borrowed cue. Ran out just fine. The lighting level was low beside the tables and I grabbed my teammate's cue on accident and used it to complete a break and run. He asked me how the cue shot, lol, I didn't even notice it wasn't the loaner cue I was given to play with. I'm convinced, the cue barely matters. Again, final answer. Play with whatever you want. Peace ✌️
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anything can happen once
means nothing
 
Frosty said:
I think both of you that quoted my post here have misunderstood my analogy and what I was trying to express. Those that are of elite skillsets in any endeavor that is done with an item, cue, car, bat, tool, etc. etc. are going to be better than average no matter what they utilize. My true point is their talent will always rise, but it will to its full extent with a top flight cue, car, bat, tool, etc. This is why those that excel choose the best, or what they feel is best for them. Pro mechanics generally will pick Snap On or Mac tools over Harbor Freight. In our world of pool, the money has always been light, the expense of being a traveling professional more burdensome as a result. So many pro players will play with “lesser equipment” that is provided by a sponsor that helps them financially as a result. I’ve spoken with more than a few who privately admit they prefer other cues over that which they utilize, and utilize what they do over what they prefer for no other reason than sponsor support and money provided them.
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I hear ya and do actually pretty much agree. I just think that the equipment is negligible on overall performance. But yes, I did drop some good $$$ on this here cue and it is what I prefer to play with for sure. Mostly I view it as functional art though. But why not? It's all for fun anyway.

Side note: Kelly Peterson, aka MVP Cues does great work

Cheers,

Neil
 
Quality equipment makes it easier for a top player to perform. Might not be a must but easier. It is also much easier for a banger to perform with the better equipment. Doesn't mean they have to spend a ton on equipment but they will learn faster with their own cue than playing off the wall. I have found that true in almost any pursuit.

Talk drifted to race cars in this thread. The first race car I drove was a late model. Six hundred horsepower or a bit more, NASCAR legal chassis and a chassis I soon learned how to tune. By the end of my first season the boom and bust of the oilfield had gotten me and I spent a few months making a living off of the race car and pool stick. I could play off the wall and win, I could win with a car in serious need of TLC too. I caught the attention of a local legend with the car. It was shy on paint and body work; like in pool, I met everyone halfway. Rough drivers found I met them halfway, clean drivers found out the same thing. Accidental hits resulted in apologies after races, deliberate rough driving was met in kind. The car was a '57 Chevy, much battered by the end of the season. The track owner and the legend were standing watching cars qualify near the end of the season. When I pulled out to qualify the legend turned to the track owner and said "that old son of a bitch will run!" talking about my car. I hadn't beaten him yet but I had passed him on an open track and I had his attention in my first season racing.

A couple years later I had sold my car to help pay for my new commercial shop I was building. I was offered a ride in a hobby car. A foul handling beast, equally important, the car didn't have the horsepower to get it out of trouble when it got out of shape. Had I started in hobby class like most did it would have taken me several more seasons to learn to drive.

I can go to rifles and pistols and say the same thing. Good equipment made it far easier to learn. I shot the first perfect score in a series of matches with a pistol in my second season with a carefully tuned pistol and ammo. I was doing well with a solid rifle and solid wind flags when I went to rifle competition. It is easier to learn with top quality consistent equipment in any pursuit I believe judging by the wide range of things I have done including on the job.

If somebody was starting out today and money wasn't an issue I would let them shoot a few months then have them buy a solid butt and carbon fiber low deflection shaft to finish learning with. More fun to play with quality equipment and easier to learn too. No sense in learning to play twice. A Dufferin cue off the rack will work as a learner, might want to change the tip and ferrule, I haven't shot with one lately.

Hu
 
ShootingArts said:
Quality equipment makes it easier for a top player to perform. Might not be a must but easier. It is also much easier for a banger to perform with the better equipment. Doesn't mean they have to spend a ton on equipment but they will learn faster with their own cue than playing off the wall. I have found that true in almost any pursuit.

Talk drifted to race cars in this thread. The first race car I drove was a late model. Six hundred horsepower or a bit more, NASCAR legal chassis and a chassis I soon learned how to tune. By the end of my first season the boom and bust of the oilfield had gotten me and I spent a few months making a living off of the race car and pool stick. I could play off the wall and win, I could win with a car in serious need of TLC too. I caught the attention of a local legend with the car. It was shy on paint and body work; like in pool, I met everyone halfway. Rough drivers found I met them halfway, clean drivers found out the same thing. Accidental hits resulted in apologies after races, deliberate rough driving was met in kind. The car was a '57 Chevy, much battered by the end of the season. The track owner and the legend were standing watching cars qualify near the end of the season. When I pulled out to qualify the legend turned to the track owner and said "that old son of a bitch will run!" talking about my car. I hadn't beaten him yet but I had passed him on an open track and I had his attention in my first season racing.

A couple years later I had sold my car to help pay for my new commercial shop I was building. I was offered a ride in a hobby car. A foul handling beast, equally important, the car didn't have the horsepower to get it out of trouble when it got out of shape. Had I started in hobby class like most did it would have taken me several more seasons to learn to drive.

I can go to rifles and pistols and say the same thing. Good equipment made it far easier to learn. I shot the first perfect score in a series of matches with a pistol in my second season with a carefully tuned pistol and ammo. I was doing well with a solid rifle and solid wind flags when I went to rifle competition. It is easier to learn with top quality consistent equipment in any pursuit I believe judging by the wide range of things I have done including on the job.

If somebody was starting out today and money wasn't an issue I would let them shoot a few months then have them buy a solid butt and carbon fiber low deflection shaft to finish learning with. More fun to play with quality equipment and easier to learn too. No sense in learning to play twice. A Dufferin cue off the rack will work as a learner, might want to change the tip and ferrule, I haven't shot with one lately.

Hu
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Sounds like you've led a fun life my friend.

My hat's off to ya (y)
 
better equipment does not make you play better.

better fitting equipment and more comfortable ones will do it. as long as the quality lends to good performance.
 
jalapus logan said:
Sounds like you've led a fun life my friend.

My hat's off to ya (y)
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Thanks! I have to admit I have always tried to make my own fun. Listening to all the warnings about fingers, toes, and eyes I was amazed I and all my siblings never lost anything.

I am not listed as an organ donor. Other reasons too but I always said I planned for everything to be all used up when I go!

Hu
 
u12armresl said:
You don't strike me as "that guy" at all, but I know people and I've been told about others in APA who even on 100% obvious shots, pointing or calling is not good enough, must mark the pocket.

Had someone a few weeks ago who was a 7 ask if I wanted them to mark the pocket, or just call it, and we both agreed, when you get to a certain level, it becomes disrespectful to make someone call an 8 ball, especially when they played really great runouts to get there.
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I'll go so far as to just grab the 8 or 9 and not have them shoot the shot if it's a true gimme.
I have that much respect for my opponent. I have people tell me it's dumb to do that, but that's why I don't play in leagues. Habit I've had forever. If you beat me to it, it's yours for the most part.
 
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