It's NOT the cue or the shaft that makes a GR8 player

A good player with great fundamentals can play consistently with any pool cue that is straight (not warped) and has a good tip. Those who say it is the pool cue are wrong.

It helps though. I saw Jose Patrica lose $4000.00 and part of the spot was he could not use his own cue he had to use a house cue. He tried repeatedly to get out of that part of the spot even offering more weight if he could use his own cue, but the guy was not budging. Jose had to quit.
 
Can you point out where the 80% false information is? Or which 20% you think is truth.

Or maybe you are just replying to be a dick and really have nothing relevant to add to the conversation, thus you are trolling.

Balance point can affect how well you can hit the intended target. If you've ever seen a short player grabbing the cue too far towards the back end, you'll know what I'm talking about. You can also have a flawless stroke, yet without proper alignment of your body and eyes, you won't hit the intended target. So you're wrong regarding balance point importance, and your "stroke" and hitting the intended target.

A $30 cue will play like garbage. You can't get a decent shaft for $30. Try getting a decent shaft plus a tip for $30. Also, a cue can make a significant difference in a player's abilities. If I take someone who struggles with playing sidespin due to not compensating for cueball deflection, and pair them up with a Predator shaft, their performance will improve drastically. And it will make a huge difference in their game.

I can change cues without my game catastrophically falling apart. I don't play a lot of juice on the ball, so I can switch between my Lucasi (11.75mm tip), my Pechauer (13mm tip), and I'll probably shoot OK with the Segen I have arriving next week.

Maybe I'd be an APA 7/9 if I was still playing with my Cuetec I learned to play with. Oh, wait. I'm still a 7/9. And I've switched cues over the years. Quite a few of them. And I didn't have to rebuild my game every time I changed cues. It took a few racks of pool to adjust. Most players spin the cueball way too much. Staying close to the vertical axis of the cueball really helps with consistency.
 
Balance point can affect how well you can hit the intended target. If you've ever seen a short player grabbing the cue too far towards the back end, you'll know what I'm talking about. You can also have a flawless stroke, yet without proper alignment of your body and eyes, you won't hit the intended target. So you're wrong regarding balance point importance, and your "stroke" and hitting the intended target.

Nope...balance point has no relationship with accuracy or stroke. You hold the cue where your forearm falls directly under your elbow, when the tip is touching the ball. Balance point has nothing to do with that.

A $30 cue will play like garbage. You can't get a decent shaft for $30. Try getting a decent shaft plus a tip for $30. Also, a cue can make a significant difference in a player's abilities. If I take someone who struggles with playing sidespin due to not compensating for cueball deflection, and pair them up with a Predator shaft, their performance will improve drastically. And it will make a huge difference in their game.

Also not true. You can buy a Players cue for $50 and it will have a perfectly playable shaft. An LD shaft (Predator or otherwise) will not automatically make someone a better player. In fact, it could make them play worse.

I can change cues without my game catastrophically falling apart. I don't play a lot of juice on the ball, so I can switch between my Lucasi (11.75mm tip), my Pechauer (13mm tip), and I'll probably shoot OK with the Segen I have arriving next week.

Me too. I "own" my stroke, so it doesn't matter, in particular, what cue I play with, I can still play.

Maybe I'd be an APA 7/9 if I was still playing with my Cuetec I learned to play with. Oh, wait. I'm still a 7/9. And I've switched cues over the years. Quite a few of them. And I didn't have to rebuild my game every time I changed cues. It took a few racks of pool to adjust. Most players spin the cueball way too much. Staying close to the vertical axis of the cueball really helps with consistency.

Shawn...Just because you say something doesn't make it the truth. Skippy27 knows just what he's talking about. I've also played with many cues, and didn't have to "switch up" or "relearn" anything. But I had an accurate and repeatable stroke already. If you don't have that, switching cues will take a learning curve to adjust. I agree most players spin the ball way too much, and have no idea when or how much spin to use...or when NOT to use sidespin at all! :D

Scott Lee
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Shawn...Just because you say something doesn't make it the truth. Skippy27 knows just what he's talking about. I've also played with many cues, and didn't have to "switch up" or "relearn" anything. But I had an accurate and repeatable stroke already. If you don't have that, switching cues will take a learning curve to adjust. I agree most players spin the ball way too much, and have no idea when or how much spin to use...or when NOT to use sidespin at all! :D

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Make the balance point 2" from the end of the butt, and see how you do with that cue. Most cues happen to fall within an acceptable range of where the balance point is, but you CANNOT say that balance point doesn't affect how a cue plays.

And sorry, but Skippy thinks that putting a hard tip on a cue "modifies" its design. He's an argument looking for a partner.
 
Shawn...Just because you say something doesn't make it the truth. Skippy27 knows just what he's talking about. I've also played with many cues, and didn't have to "switch up" or "relearn" anything. But I had an accurate and repeatable stroke already. If you don't have that, switching cues will take a learning curve to adjust. I agree most players spin the ball way too much, and have no idea when or how much spin to use...or when NOT to use sidespin at all! :D

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

https://www.seyberts.com/players-cues

Can you find me the quality $30 cue that Players makes? Heck, I'll even let you find me one of standard length for $50. Good luck :)
 
All Players cues are warranteed against warpage and defects. Doesn't matter if it's a $50 cue
or $300 cue.

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I just did. You have the right to your opinion, but that doesn't make it a fact. No cue has ever been made with a Balance point 2 inches from the end...a ridiculous statement.

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Nope, but it definitely changed them "feel" of the hit to the person using it.

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I just did. You have the right to your opinion, but that doesn't make it a fact. No cue has ever been made with a Balance point 2 inches from the end...a ridiculous statement.

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Here's Skippy's original statement:
"Balance is not going to make you miss hitting where you want to hit - Your stroke is."

Complete bullshit. Most cues have a balance point that is somewhere between 16-20" from the butt end. A cue could be made that has a balance point 6" from the end of the cue. It would be unuseable. By Skippy's statement, balance has nothing to do with accuracy. I think a better statement is "slight variances in balance points will not make a difference in performance". But to make an absolute statement, which most of his opinions seem to be, is wrong.
 
Once again...IMO, Skippy27 is correct, and it is not bullshit. A poor stroke will cause you to miss no matter where the "balance point" is on the cue. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, without trying to call names, and start a flame war.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Here's Skippy's original statement:
"Balance is not going to make you miss hitting where you want to hit - Your stroke is."

Complete bullshit. Most cues have a balance point that is somewhere between 16-20" from the butt end. A cue could be made that has a balance point 6" from the end of the cue. It would be unuseable. By Skippy's statement, balance has nothing to do with accuracy. I think a better statement is "slight variances in balance points will not make a difference in performance". But to make an absolute statement, which most of his opinions seem to be, is wrong.
 
Once again...IMO, Skippy27 is correct, and it is not bullshit. A poor stroke will cause you to miss no matter where the "balance point" is on the cue. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, without trying to call names, and start a flame war.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Couldn't you make the same argument that the balance point is irrelevant in a baseball bat, golf club, or any sport that utilizes an instrument to strike the ball in play?

It seems those other sports have their balance points down to a science.
 
I only made the statement because of an experience I had. I had a cue with a weight bolt. I ordered a weight bolt kit. I was playing around adjusting the weight and trying draw shots. All with my same lame stroke. When I dropped the weight about 2 ounces I would hit higher then intended. When I added 2 ounces I would hit lower then intended. Sure I could adjust over time to the weight. This was just what I found using the same cue and stroke.
That why I thought that maybe trying a buddies cues. May give inaccurate results with just a few tries until you adjusted to the cue. Just what I found and was not intended to be a scientific study.

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Your "own" cue doesn t have to be expensive- it has to give you confidence so you can finally "just" trust and do your job.
That s it. And no matter if it would be a LD shaft or a regulär shaft. .....it only matters that you stay with it and that you can just focus on your job........by makin whitey run from A to B.

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Mrdodd72...Yes, you could make that argument. You can also make the argument that an expert player in any of those sports could pick up any baseball bat, golf club, etc. and play well with it. Certainly having your own equipment "tuned" to the way you prefer or "feel" it's better can cause an increase in performance level and consistency. To say that balance point in a pool cue is the end-all, be-all is approaching ludicrous. :rolleyes:

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Couldn't you make the same argument that the balance point is irrelevant in a baseball bat, golf club, or any sport that utilizes an instrument to strike the ball in play?

It seems those other sports have their balance points down to a science.
 
Mrdodd72...Yes, you could make that argument. You can also make the argument that an expert player in any of those sports could pick up any baseball bat, golf club, etc. and play well with it. Certainly having your own equipment "tuned" to the way you prefer or "feel" it's better can cause an increase in performance level and consistency. To say that balance point in a pool cue is the end-all, be-all is approaching ludicrous. :rolleyes:

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I can agree with that statement.
I'm just not sure that making an absolute statement like "the balance point has NO relationship with accuracy or stroke" can be correct.
The balance point effects the player, thus effecting both accuracy and stroke.
Although the player can overcome this, it has a relationship with the stroke.
 
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