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Hello pool world, I would like to respond to what Mr. Blackjack said on behalf of the UPA. I made a mistake when I stated that the $ that was owed to me from Brady was the Masters tournament it was not, I guess this situation has bothered me for so long that I try not to recall it sometimes. The tournament that I am STILL OWED FOR was the Mid-Atlantic Open 2002, now Brady says that he has tried to contact me in this matter which I'm unaware of but I did receive one check and one check only and that was $150.00 to which I do have proof of, I am still owed $1,850.00 and it's a shame that he is welching out in such a cowardly fashion. The Upa was the one that gave me this check and it would be interesting to see what Frank says Brady owes me hmm.
In regaurds to Bin Min I might have been a little quick to judge just because of people like Brady who says he only owes me $800.00 that is a terrible lie on Brady behalf and I am not saying this just because I have had to wait for so long to get what is rightfully owed to me. I will be in touch with you Blackjack , I must first find out in what span of time it was that I left Bin Min's check uncashed as I don't think it was over 90 days in retrospect. As I write this my next move is getting the upa's lawyer Jack McGiness's phone # so that I might turn this matter over to my father and stop all of this back n forth stuff. By the way to whom it may concern Frank Alvarez never returned my Dad's phone call and all he has ever done is sent me info on the next tourney, my position is this, yes your right about one thing Frank I used the fact that I haven't been paid in for two tournaments as a bargaining tool for not paying my membership fee. I appreciate this Blackjack fellows interest in this matter but Frank is indeed a smooth talker and it will be difficult to deal with him. I do hope however that I can get paid and maybe one day when the cloth is not so fast and pockets aren't so large I will return where the best player still has a winning edge I would then love to return to the game.
As of right now if Frank and Brady apalogized and wrote me a check for $2,250 I don't think I would consider coming back, when I played at the world championships this last year it truly was a great event but the pockets were big enough to swim in that's not real pool in my opinion anyway. I am not a sore loser or a hot head I could never have gotten this far if I had been, I am someone who is genuinly concerned with the state of mens professional pool. I wish I could say this is all just a big misunderstanding but I can assure yall it is not, I will say this when I owe someone $ I will do whatever it reasonably takes to assume the responsability to make good and the truth is your not protected on the upa from people like Brady Thanks for following this little story and I will post more about this after my Dad has contacted the upa's lawyer as we are finished trying to communicate with 'smooth talkin Franky'.
 
Keep fighting the good fight Danny.
You are not the first and probably won't be the last who has a sour taste in their mouth from dealing with Brady. If everything you say is true and I have no reason to believe it's not, than you have every right to do everything in your power to get what you deserve.

JMO,
Koop
 
Danny Harriman said:
Hello pool world, I would like to respond to what Mr. Blackjack said on behalf of the UPA. I made a mistake when I stated that the $ that was owed to me from Brady was the Masters tournament it was not, I guess this situation has bothered me for so long that I try not to recall it sometimes. The tournament that I am STILL OWED FOR was the Mid-Atlantic Open 2002, now Brady says that he has tried to contact me in this matter which I'm unaware of but I did receive one check and one check only and that was $150.00 to which I do have proof of, I am still owed $1,850.00 and it's a shame that he is welching out in such a cowardly fashion. The Upa was the one that gave me this check and it would be interesting to see what Frank says Brady owes me hmm.
In regaurds to Bin Min I might have been a little quick to judge just because of people like Brady who says he only owes me $800.00 that is a terrible lie on Brady behalf and I am not saying this just because I have had to wait for so long to get what is rightfully owed to me. I will be in touch with you Blackjack , I must first find out in what span of time it was that I left Bin Min's check uncashed as I don't think it was over 90 days in retrospect. As I write this my next move is getting the upa's lawyer Jack McGiness's phone # so that I might turn this matter over to my father and stop all of this back n forth stuff. By the way to whom it may concern Frank Alvarez never returned my Dad's phone call and all he has ever done is sent me info on the next tourney, my position is this, yes your right about one thing Frank I used the fact that I haven't been paid in for two tournaments as a bargaining tool for not paying my membership fee. I appreciate this Blackjack fellows interest in this matter but Frank is indeed a smooth talker and it will be difficult to deal with him. I do hope however that I can get paid and maybe one day when the cloth is not so fast and pockets aren't so large I will return where the best player still has a winning edge I would then love to return to the game.
As of right now if Frank and Brady apalogized and wrote me a check for $2,250 I don't think I would consider coming back, when I played at the world championships this last year it truly was a great event but the pockets were big enough to swim in that's not real pool in my opinion anyway. I am not a sore loser or a hot head I could never have gotten this far if I had been, I am someone who is genuinly concerned with the state of mens professional pool. I wish I could say this is all just a big misunderstanding but I can assure yall it is not, I will say this when I owe someone $ I will do whatever it reasonably takes to assume the responsability to make good and the truth is your not protected on the upa from people like Brady Thanks for following this little story and I will post more about this after my Dad has contacted the upa's lawyer as we are finished trying to communicate with 'smooth talkin Franky'.

Danny,
Im still waiting for you to give me a call. This can be worked out. If you are genuinely concerned about the state of men's professional pool, then give me a call and let me know the nature of your concerns. My goal is to see that you get the money that is owed to you, and I want Danny Harriman on the Pro Tour. If there are inconsistencies in what I have been told, then let me know what they are and we will work towards a solution. Best of luck to you, I look forward to hearing from you.
 
it's always good to hear both sides of the story and specifically to get a sense of harriman's emotional involvement in this matter thanks for the stream of consciousness post D :)
 
I'm hoping for some cool clear-headed decision-making, spearheaded by Danny getting his finances sorted out, contacting BlackJack with the facts, followed by organizing this mess and clearing up who owes what to whom and when these tiffles will be sorted out.

Danny posting back in a year still upset would be a year wasted and a setback IMO.

Fun as it is to read about all the problems here regarding men's pro pool and gambling hiccups etc. I am not terribly inspired by it all.

May saner heads and wisdom prevail.
 
Danny, I can understand your misery

:p Pool is now hitting rock bottom. In the past year I was dumped by a 30 year friend who is among the nations best bar table players for $20,000 who dumped me to someone who was just robbed of $34,000 in Boston and I was almost poisoned to death in Baton Rouge by a "Friend" who hit me with a dose of scopolamine which costs me another $15,000. This is really a lovely game, take it from someone who's been around since before you were born Danny, and get out this rotten game and do something with your life as you seem to be a real nice intelligent young man. There is no future in pool, the cast of characters, lack what is badly needed, integrity, and this will not get any better, it's getting worse.....Humphrey, New Orleans :mad:
 
jungledude said:
:p Pool is now hitting rock bottom. In the past year I was dumped by a 30 year friend who is among the nations best bar table players for $20,000 who dumped me to someone who was just robbed of $34,000 in Boston and I was almost poisoned to death in Baton Rouge by a "Friend" who hit me with a dose of scopolamine which costs me another $15,000. This is really a lovely game, take it from someone who's been around since before you were born Danny, and get out this rotten game and do something with your life as you seem to be a real nice intelligent young man. There is no future in pool, the cast of characters, lack what is badly needed, integrity, and this will not get any better, it's getting worse.....Humphrey, New Orleans :mad:

Good God man. Save yourself the headaches and just send me a check. I promise I won't poison you either.
On a serious note, that sucks and you may want to heed the advice you are giving Danny.

FWIW,
Dave
 
jungledude said:
:p Pool is now hitting rock bottom. In the past year I was dumped by a 30 year friend who is among the nations best bar table players for $20,000 who dumped me to someone who was just robbed of $34,000 in Boston and I was almost poisoned to death in Baton Rouge by a "Friend" who hit me with a dose of scopolamine which costs me another $15,000. This is really a lovely game, take it from someone who's been around since before you were born Danny, and get out this rotten game and do something with your life as you seem to be a real nice intelligent young man. There is no future in pool, the cast of characters, lack what is badly needed, integrity, and this will not get any better, it's getting worse.....Humphrey, New Orleans :mad:

OMG, Humph! :eek: I've got a few horror stories myself, but none can even touch what you've experienced.

My love affair with pool began 30-plus years ago when I was a lowly bar banger. I had more fun beating my pool buddies for a brewskie, but it was the big "W" that gave me the ultimate pool high, no matter what the stakes were.

In the crossroads of my adult life, I made a choice to abandon pool and go for my career. I was a happy camper, but pool never left my heart. When I was on the front lines banging out pages instead of pool balls on Capitol Hill, my co-workers used to chuckle every time they'd come by my desk where I had an original "The Color of Money" poster hanging proudly. It is ironic that many years later, I ended up falling for "Grady Seasons." I'd have never thunk it in a million years! :p

At the beginning of my pool journey with Keith, I used to be full of enthusiasm and joy, traveling on the tournament trail. In recent times, because of political stop signs and hurdles, an industry member ripping us off for a nice chunk of change with no explanation, players stealing my posted stake for action, almost getting arrested because I was in the wrong place at the wrong time, just to name a few, my rose-colored glasses have been tarnished.

It is hard for me today to look at the bright side of pool at times because of the current state of affairs. Fortunately, for me and mine, there is an abundance of opportunities to compete, and they're just waiting for the taking. As wonderful and exciting as pool can be, the tournament trail does have a few potholes. I know what and who they are now, and I avoid them and continue on.

Danny Harriman has been given a gift. I've seen him compete on many occasions, and I would like nothing better than to see him back in the saddle again. His break is one of the best in the industry. I especially liked seeing him on TV making 6 balls on the break at the ESPN Zone 7-Ball Challenge in Baltimore a few years ago! Danny Harriman is poetry in motion, and I hope see him back on the tournament trail. He's one of the good guys! :)

JAM
 

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RAZOR ROG said:
All I can say is , there appears to be a pattern here when it comes to Brady and payoffs!

Here, here ROG!
Certainly seems to have good intentions but that won't even buy you a cup of coffee. If you say you are going to do something it might be a good decision to follow through.
 
ok.......i'm having a little trouble swallowing all this...........

obviously he has read blackjacks post about working things out.......but he hasn't called anyone.

he doesn't even remember the name of the tournament he's owed money for???

i'm sure he's owed money for something.......but come on, get the facts straight and call blackjack or someone at the UPA


its sucks that he didn't get paid...........but now people are trying to solve things and he's still posting on the internet and not getting on the phone to make things happen.

thanks

VAP
 
vapoolplayer said:
ok.......i'm having a little trouble swallowing all this...........

obviously he has read blackjacks post about working things out.......but he hasn't called anyone.

he doesn't even remember the name of the tournament he's owed money for???

i'm sure he's owed money for something.......but come on, get the facts straight and call blackjack or someone at the UPA


its sucks that he didn't get paid...........but now people are trying to solve things and he's still posting on the internet and not getting on the phone to make things happen.

thanks

VAP
VAP, you've got to understand that not only has it been quite awhile since these things happened (hence the lapse of memory of exactly which tourney. He was on the road playing a ton of tourneys at the time) But he's also been trying every since then to get this straightened out. What BlackJack did is commendable and appreciated by many for his effort to help the over all cause. Ultimately it's Danny's decision on how he chooses to handle it. Again, he has been trying and trying to get this straight. Only now, when it's posted on a public forum for all to see, people have started scrambling. People should've scrambled and tried to rectify things when they happened, not when someone decided to go public. I know Danny personally and have since we were teenagers. You won't find a nicer guy. I hate that this has happened to him and I hate that it's not settled but Danny is going to have to handle it in the way that works best for him.
 
I don't know about everything else.
I know that I'm solidly behind Danny on this and I hope that he's in Springfield, MO. next week and shooting some in one of he pool halls there. I finally get a chance to take a weeklong vacation there and would love the chance to see him shoot again live.

Danny, I hope that you'll call Blackjack as I honestly think that he can help resolve this issue. He's obviously done his homework by contacting everyone but you. Give him a call and get your ass back in the saddle. You're too good of a player to be sitting on the sidelines. Hell, maybe the UPA will finally take a look at things and start having some security for the money put up in the tourneys that they sanction.

For anyone else in the Springfield, MO. area next week...if you see a giant, bleached blonde, pierced freak shooting pool...don't worry...it's probably me. :D :D :D
 
Danny,

A lawyer isn't a good idea because the sums of money are too small. You are guaranteed to lose this way.

If you can conveniently take these parties to small claims court, it's a pretty simple and effective process. You can have the court papers served in each town and probably recover all your court fees as well. They can't use a lawyer in small claims court.

In fact, it's entirely possible and highly likely that you can effectively sue all parties involved in your own local small claims court. They would have to come to your town at their expense to defend themselves.

This is the way to recover your money. However, before I went through all that nonsense, I would want David Sapolis to try to broker a deal for me.

Quitting professional pool is an entirely different decision.
As a young man you have to decide if it is a reasonable profession or if you can do better in life at some other vocation.

To be a top pool player takes a lot of drive and ambition. It takes guts. If you were to apply that focus to another profession, would you be better rewarded?


Chris
 
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I think it's a noble gesture on Blackjack's part to try to mediate but, with that said, it doesn't really seem like there should be a need for a mediator. If I owe someone money then I go seek them out to pay. I don't make them come to me asking for it or make them jump through hoops to get it (Or, at least, that is how I've tried to live my adult life. As a teenager I might have done like many pool players and go hide under a rock when I owed someone money). My point is, I don't think the responsibility is on the person who is owed to try to get their money. The person who owes the money should go out of their way to pay off their debt.
 
Jimmy M. said:
I think it's a noble gesture on Blackjack's part to try to mediate but, with that said, it doesn't really seem like there should be a need for a mediator. If I owe someone money then I go seek them out to pay. I don't make them come to me asking for it or make them jump through hoops to get it (Or, at least, that is how I've tried to live my adult life. As a teenager I might have done like many pool players and go hide under a rock when I owed someone money). My point is, I don't think the responsibility is on the person who is owed to try to get their money. The person who owes the money should go out of their way to pay off their debt.

I'm still owed a hundred from 1971 by my then roommate in the service. Think there's any hope? :rolleyes:
 
catscradle said:
I'm still owed a hundred from 1971 by my then roommate in the service. Think there's any hope? :rolleyes:

I realize that my thought on the debt-paying process is an ideal, not a reality. ;)
 
pprobably too long

TATE said:
Danny,

A lawyer isn't a good idea because the sums of money are too small. You are guaranteed to lose this way.

If you can conveniently take these parties to small claims court, it's a pretty simple and effective process. You can have the court papers served in each town and probably recover all your court fees as well. They can't use a lawyer in small claims court.

In fact, it's entirely possible and highly likely that you can effectively sue all parties involved in your own local small claims court. They would have to come to your town at their expense to defend themselves.

This is the way to recover your money. However, before I went through all that nonsense, I would want David Sapolis to try to broker a deal for me.

Quitting professional pool is an entirely different decision.
As a young man you have to decide if it is a reasonable profession or if you can do better in life at some other vocation.

To be a top pool player takes a lot of drive and ambition. It takes guts. If you were to apply that focus to another profession, would you be better rewarded?


Chris


it is most probably to late for small claims court. from what i have read is that Brady owes Danny some money. btw, i was there for that tournament. But didn't Danny state that by brady letting the UPA sanction that tournament that they (UPA) was guaranteeing the money. If that is the case and if that is true, who actually owes Danny. I would say the UPA since they sanctioned it and guaranteed the event and that players woould get what is owed to them according to their own bylaws at the time. If i was Danny i would be raising some hell with MR C.W. as well since he was running the UPA at the time... I do know this, Brady took a bath on that venture cuz there was very minimal turn out. Heck it was ending on Super Bowl Sunday. personally i think Danny, Brady and the UPA reps all sit down and work this out somehow. Maybe with Black Jack. Lock them all up in a room and don't let them out until it is resolved. Is Danny's father a lawyer.
 
TATE said:
Danny,
You can have the court papers served in each town and probably recover all your court fees as well. They can't use a lawyer in small claims court
Chris

different states, different rules,,,the defendants can and often use lawyers in small claims courts in my state,,,also if you're trying to collect in different jurisdictions (counties), you must file a claim in all counties.....be aware of legal requirements wherever you file a claim,,,JMHO
 
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