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TheThaiger said:
Don't you (constantly) tell me to stay out of discussions on the exact same basis?

Your hypocrisy is breathtaking.
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No I don't tell you that. I tell you to not make inaccurate statements.

When you come into a thread and make inaccurate statements then all you are doing is fanning the flames of discord.

You and everyone else is welcome in any thread about anything as long as you are there to discuss the topic peacefully.

Peacefully means don't lie to make a point, don't mislead to make a point, don't stand on the shoulders of others without giving credit and citing your sources.

And don't attack people with personal slurs, racist comments, bigotry, and other off-topic crap. Because doing that invites argument.

Have some respect that others might have put a lot of thought and effort into what they are saying.

People like you show up and seem to think that it's perfectly ok to say anything you want accurate or not, true or not, and belittle others for sport. That's the problem Thaiger. It seems to piss you off that someone could have a perfectly civil discussion over a topic that you personally think is unnecessary and thus you inject inflammatory nonsense into it.

So for example to stay ON TOPIC -

I simply said in response to the OP assertion that people are better served learning to control the cueball than talking about aiming that I had IMPROVED my cue ball control AFTER learning to aim more accurately.

Very simple counterpoint.

Later you come along and assert that snooker players NEVER talk about aiming and that they are the best shot makers therefore the op is right.

But, you are not right because in fact snooker players talk about aiming quite a lot.

But apparently you expected to drop this false statement into the discussion and have it be unchallenged.

If it were left unchallenged then the the discussion could end there.

Snooker Players - Perfect - doesn't bother with aiming. Done.

But in fact, they do bother with aiming. Which you should know. So if you do know it then why say it is otherwise????? The you go on to say that this forum AZB is for talkers and not do-ers. Another statement that is not true and particularly a funny thing to say as part of a discussion on a discussion forum.

Yes, there is hypocrisy on display. Yours.
 
Hmm...

Seems to me that I said earlier in this thread, as did another fella here (sorry forget the name), that aiming and position go hand in hand. Precision pocketing leads to accurate shape.

Can't we all agree on that?

Can't get delicate shape without precision pocketing, period. Conversely, if one already has precision pocketing, then cb placement should be where the bulk of practice time gets spent.

Seems straightforward. Where's the argument coming from?

Of course y'all might just like to argue. Then the topic title should be "you suck, I don't". 8-)
 
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Choir Boy said:
Hmm...

Seems to me that I said, as did another fella here (sorry forget the name), that aiming and position go hand in hand. Precision pocketing leads to accurate shape.

Can't we all agree on that?
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Yes.
If you hit the ball too thick/thin , your track line changes.
 
Choir Boy said:
Hmm...

Seems to me that I said earlier in this thread, as did another fella here (sorry forget the name), that aiming and position go hand in hand. Precision pocketing leads to accurate shape.

Can't we all agree on that?

Can't get delicate shape without precision pocketing, period. Conversely, if one already has precision pocketing, then cb placement should be where the bulk of practice time gets spent.

Seems straightforward. Where's the argument coming from?

Of course y'all might just like to argue. Then the topic title should be "you suck, I don't". 8-)
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Sure, if you know how to aim and can make balls then you have to work on how to make balls with varying degrees of speed and spin.

We have all seen the banger who can make balls from anywhere but knows nothing about position play. Even a person who isn't as good shot maker can usually beat this person.

The whole reason people get sideways is that many here don't want to accept that an otherwise decent player can go back to the drawing board and try a different approach to aiming and come out the other side as a better player.

Hence we have a thread with the assertion that aiming is not very important and table time should be more devoted to cb control.

Had the guy simply said that people should work on CB control then the thread would have a completely different conversation.

Who in their right mind thinks that cb control is not important? Most of us are here to discuss how to play pool better on some level. In 2001 I was one of the people who would have said aiming systems are bogus and not needed. I was a die-hard hit the shot a million times kind of guy.

In 2002 I was shown some aiming systems and I thought the guy showing me was a nutcase and only wanted to find some action and get away from him. But in the middle of the day there was no action so I stayed and listened and tried his stuff and was blown away.

That opened my mind to another side of pool. It opened me up to the possibility that maybe I wasn't aiming right on a lot of the "trouble" shots. Before then I was like, aiming, pah, everyone knows how to aim, point and shoot what's hard about that?

After Hal my pool life changed. There is no easy way to put it, I simply look at lining up way differently than I did before. And the best part is that I can see the lines now way better. Once down on the ball I can see the path the cue ball is going to take WAY better.

Prior to learning how to aim the unconventional (not book) way I used to have a lot of trouble with the shots where the cue ball needs to go deep in the corner and come out two rails. Shooting those shots often I would make the ball and scratch or go way to short being scared of the scratch. Or I would miss the ball and cinch the cue ball on the right path, get perfect shape on the next ball but have to sit down because I missed.

Now, I get down on the aiming line and I see perfectly where the ball is going with every spin I want to put on it. I am super confident because I know I am on the dead nuts perfect aiming line and I can see the tangent line as if it's lit up by a laser. Because of that my position play coming out of the corner has improved a 1000%

My buddy is a national amateur champion, Manuel Gonzales from Greeley Colorado. He was always excellent at coming out of the corners like I mentioned above. After I started using the aiming system he remarked to me that I had gotten way better at those shots as well.
 
Johnnyt said:
I was not trying to slam aiming systems or those that use them. But debate all you want John, it just won't be with me. Johnnyt
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This thread did have a lot of potential for an interesting exchange of ideas on how controlling the cue ball and playing better position makes aiming so much easier.

Unfortunately, with JB's OCD, once JB gets emotionally involved with a thread, it's almost inevitably destined to become a train wreck. It's astonishing that JB has posted 50 times in this thread, picking arguments with anybody over the tiniest details just to prove that he's "right." JB really needs to see a shrink and get some help for his OCD. :cool:
 
PoolSharkAllen said:
This thread did have a lot of potential for an interesting exchange of ideas on how controlling the cue ball and playing better position makes aiming so much easier.

Unfortunately, with JB's OCD, once JB gets emotionally involved with a thread, it's almost inevitably destined to become a train wreck. It's astonishing that JB has posted 50 times in this thread, picking arguments with anybody over the tiniest details just to prove that he's "right." JB really needs to see a shrink and get some help for his OCD. :cool:
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And once again you are in a thread with ZERO contribution to the topic.

However without you and a few others my posts shrink to less than five.

And those five are all high content talking about CB control and aiming and how they interact.

Do you have ANY experience on this topic? Any videos, anything that we don't know?

I have videos on the aiming system I like, I have videos showing a position drill, I have videos doing Joe Tucker's shot making drill, I have videos using a 2.5" Do-It-Yourself pocketing trainer that anyone can make for themselves. I have videos doing the various shot challenges that naysayers have issued.

I have videos demonstrating backhand english, I have videos demonstrating my fundamental issue with Ghost Ball.

So in short "Pool Shark" Allen, I have quite a bit invested in this topic. How about you use your self-control and stay out these threads unless you actually have SOMETHING to offer or a pertinent question to ask?

Because so far in this thread your ONLY CONTRIBUTION has been to attack me. And that of course will not go well for you.

My youtube account is jbideastoo - you are invited to make your rebuttal videos and link them to mine. Why don't you DO SOMETHING to further the discussion?????

I have a 100:1 bet that you can not and will not ever make any contribution to aiming or cue ball control that matters.
 
JB Cases said:
And those five are all high content talking about CB control and aiming and how they interact.
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:grin:

High content? All I've learned from your posts is you've improved since learning how to aim properly. Firstly, what a shock, and secondly, how bad were you before if you're a better player now?

:shocked2:
 
JB Cases said:
People like you show up and seem to think that it's perfectly ok to say anything you want accurate or not, true or not, and belittle others for sport. That's the problem Thaiger. It seems to piss you off that someone could have a perfectly civil discussion over a topic that you personally think is unnecessary and thus you inject inflammatory nonsense into it.
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Nothing pisses me off about this place. I see it as light-hearted entertainment, and there's nothing as entertaining as you on a rant, particularly when you so clearly don't know what you are talking about. It's bad poetry in motion.

I take precisely zero notice of people who cannot cue a ball, and I don't think I've ever seen anyone with as poor fundamentals as you. You've been playing for decades, you've hit a million balls, you've sought instruction from great teachers, you've learnt no end of systems, you're 'close personal friends' with an impressive array of pool playing galacticos, yet STILL cue like a drain. I'd pick another game if I were you - pool ain't for you.

Meanwhile, snooker players just get on with playing.
 
TheThaiger said:
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High content? All I've learned from your posts is you've improved since learning how to aim properly. Firstly, what a shock, and secondly, how bad were you before if you're a better player now?

:shocked2:
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Well all I know is that I am better than you given the information we have so far. So far you are a complete and utter nobody who posts a lot of false statements. It would be different if you actually posted something that were true and helped the discussion. But at this point you are just a troll who probably doesn't even play pool or snooker.

What have we learned from you in this thread? That you claim that snooker players never talk about aiming? (was easily disproven)

That really helps.

On top of that we are talking about cue ball control which can be handled by many different methods of stroking (cueing) as long as the ball is struck where it should be struck with the proper speed. So contrary to your precious snooker snobbery it's NOT all about the cueing.

So continue to be an anonymous troll Trollger. Maybe one day you will say something that actually helps someone else in one of these discussions.

Or maybe you could do a little video and show us your amazing pool abilities so that we can assign some merit to your words? Doubt that will happen.

Whether I suck or not at least I am willing to put it on video and do the shots and the challenges. You? Invisible.
 
PoolSharkAllen said:
This thread did have a lot of potential for an interesting exchange of ideas on how controlling the cue ball and playing better position makes aiming so much easier.

Unfortunately, with JB's OCD, once JB gets emotionally involved with a thread, it's almost inevitably destined to become a train wreck. It's astonishing that JB has posted 50 times in this thread, picking arguments with anybody over the tiniest details just to prove that he's "right." JB really needs to see a shrink and get some help for his OCD. :cool:
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I had him down as a simple lunatic, but OCD is probably more on the button.
 
JB Cases said:
Well all I know is that I am better than you given the information we have so far. So far you are a complete and utter nobody who posts a lot of false statements. It would be different if you actually posted something that were true and helped the discussion. But at this point you are just a troll who probably doesn't even play pool or snooker.

What have we learned from you in this thread? That you claim that snooker players never talk about aiming? (was easily disproven)

That really helps.

On top of that we are talking about cue ball control which can be handled by many different methods of stroking (cueing) as long as the ball is struck where it should be struck with the proper speed. So contrary to your precious snooker snobbery it's NOT all about the cueing.

So continue to be an anonymous troll Trollger. Maybe one day you will say something that actually helps someone else in one of these discussions.

Or maybe you could do a little video and show us your amazing pool abilities so that we can assign some merit to your words? Doubt that will happen.

Whether I suck or not at least I am willing to put it on video and do the shots and the challenges. You? Invisible.
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Again, less is more, John. Less is more.
 
TheThaiger said:
Nothing pisses me off about this place. I see it as light-hearted entertainment, and there's nothing as entertaining as you on a rant, particularly when you so clearly don't know what you are talking about. It's bad poetry in motion.

I take precisely zero notice of people who cannot cue a ball, and I don't think I've ever seen anyone with as poor fundamentals as you. You've been playing for decades, you've hit a million balls, you've sought instruction from great teachers, you've learnt no end of systems, you're 'close personal friends' with an impressive array of pool playing galacticos, yet STILL cue like a drain. I'd pick another game if I were you - pool ain't for you.

Meanwhile, snooker players just get on with playing.
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And still no matter what you are a complete nobody who self-admittedly trolls the board for fun.

You're taking notice of me and spending a lot of time attempting to put me me down. Get your words straight Trollger. If I were so insignificant to you then you wouldn't bother.

Maybe pool ain't for me but I still have fun trying. Unlike you who obviously has zero clue as determined by amount of false statements and presumably willful lies you tell. I presume they are lies by the fact that you try to present yourself as knowledgeable. Thus if you are knoweldgeable then you know full well that snooker players talk aiming, cueing, and all that surrounds playing just as much as pool players do. So by claiming that they don't you sir are a liar.

One only has to spend ten minutes on YouTube and Google to find plenty of discussion among snooker players about how to play.
 
JB Cases said:
You're taking notice of me and spending a lot of time attempting to put me me down. Get your words straight Trollger. If I were so insignificant to you then you wouldn't bother.
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You're entertaining, that's why I take notice of you. I don't read what you say with the hope it'll improve my game.

The snooker thing: you can find anything on google or youtube if you look hard enough, but I know hundreds of snooker players personally and I guarantee NOT ONE gives a damn about aiming systems. Ghost ball and the like are methods for teaching rank beginners the concept of potting balls. RANK BEGINNERS.

Whatever. This still doesn't explain why, when snooker is a game predicated on accuracy, aiming systems are not on the tip of everyone's tongue.
 
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