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JB Cases said:
However without you and a few others my posts shrink to less than five.
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John, With your 53 postings in this thread, you've already train-wrecked this thread with your carpet bombing postings attacking anyone and everyone who's opinion differs from yours.

In my previous posting, I said that this thread did have a lot of potential for an interesting exchange of ideas on how controlling the cue ball and playing better position makes aiming so much easier. Part of having an exchange of ideas is letting people express themselves even if you don't always agree with them. People are entittled to their opinions just as you are. When you go on a rampage insulting people who don't agree with you, engaging in ad hominem attacks and calling them names like "naysayers" and trying to use intimidation tactics like the forum bully that you are, you're not contributing anything to the discussion.

So congratulations John, on single-handledly train-wrecking this thead like you've done with so many other threads. As Mr. Wilson said to you in November, "All the negative that you project outweighs any positive."

Back in November, Mickey Qualls had some good advice for you: "Take a bucket of water, and gently place your hand in it. Now, pull out the hand as fast as you can. See the water splash around? Keep watching...... Eventually, things settle down, the water is peaceful again, and it's business as usual. You're not as important as you think you are."

At least you admit that you're not as important as you think you are. So get over yourself and get some help for your OCD.
 
TheThaiger said:
You're entertaining, that's why I take notice of you. I don't read what you say with the hope it'll improve my game.

The snooker thing: you can find anything on google or youtube if you look hard enough, but I know hundreds of snooker players personally and I guarantee NOT ONE gives a damn about aiming systems. Ghost ball and the like are methods for teaching rank beginners the concept of potting balls. RANK BEGINNERS.

Whatever. This still doesn't explain why, when snooker is a game predicated on accuracy, aiming systems are not on the tip of everyone's tongue.
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Do you think that this forum is full of professional players talking pool?

We are all amateurs discussing the game. Not rank beginners but not high level players either.

Your characterization of anyone who discusses aiming as a rank beginner is ludicrous. I think a lot of people who discuss it on the snooker forums and through YouTube would take exception to your generalization.

Some very high level pool players use aiming systems and talk about them. So what do you say to them?

Of course aiming wouldn't be a topic of conversation for people who play well or people who don't realize that they might not be aiming correctly. If nobs like you think it's impossible for anyone above the level of rank beginner to aim incorrectly then why would you ever talk about it?

The whole point of discussing them for those of us who do is precisely because we know that it's important and is overlooked in conventional books.

There are players on this forum who use aiming systems who would easily CRUSH you. I know that without knowing who you are. By using me as an example you are completely missing the point.

You don't have to look hard at all to find the videos that prove you wrong. Five minutes. So don't act like this took hours of research.

No one said aiming systems are on the tip of everyone's tongue in snooker. Saying it that way is a far cry from saying it's never discussed, which is what you said.

But just because it's not discussed does not mean that aiming systems are not valid. Nor does it mean that they are unworthy of being discussed. But the fact of it is that people in snooker DO discuss aiming and it's not aimed only at rank beginners.

Snooker is predicated on accuracy. Snooker players learn to aim and learn to stand properly and learn to stroke just like we do. The best pool players and the best snooker players have the same action when they shoot a ball. They might have a slightly different approach, more or less pause but the end result is the same with the cue going straight down the line and through the ball and stopping at the end.

Amateur snooker players have the same problems with their stroke as amateur pool players do. Some of them have problems aiming as pool players do. In snooker they discuss dominant eye, putting the back foot on the line of aim, placing the bridge, balance and so on...

You are foolish if you don't think that. I would bet you a million pounds that we could go to any snooker hall in London and video amateur snooker players missing tons of shots due to poor aiming AND poor cueing. And most of them wouldn't have a clue which was the reason they missed the shots that they did.

Snobs like you take aiming for granted. That's why you don't understand what we are talking about and look down on us. I'd live to see some video of you playing. Show us or get a friend who can really play and lie and tell us it's you. If you have such amazing skill then prove it.
 
PoolSharkAllen said:
John, With your 53 postings in this thread, you've already train-wrecked this thread with your carpet bombing postings attacking anyone and everyone who's opinion differs from yours.
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I didn't attack everyone who holds a different opinion. In fact Dan and I had a nice pleasant exchange. The only people who got chided by me are the trolls, which would be YOU, Thaiger, WhiteWolf, Randy, and Duckie.

You and Whitewolf have made ZERO contribution to the topic. Thaiger, Randy and Duckie all made false statements that they intended to be taken as fact. In all three cases I didn't attack them. But they took major exception to being disagreed with and proceeded to heap insults on me. As have you and WhiteWolf.

So while you are doing the stats go back through and eliminate all your posts, Thaiger's posts, Whitewolf's, Randy's and Duckies and you are left with a nice discussion on the topic. My posts IN RESPONSE to yours then go away.



In my previous posting, I said that this thread did have a lot of potential for an interesting exchange of ideas on how controlling the cue ball and playing better position makes aiming so much easier. Part of having an exchange of ideas is letting people express themselves even if you don't always agree with them. People are entittled to their opinions just as you are. When you go on a rampage insulting people who don't agree with you, engaging in ad hominem attacks and calling them names like "naysayers" and trying to use intimidation tactics like the forum bully that you are, you're not contributing anything to the discussion.

So congratulations John, on single-handledly train-wrecking this thead like you've done with so many other threads. As Mr. Wilson said to you in November, "All the negative that you project outweighs any positive."

Back in November, Mickey Qualls had some good advice for you: "Take a bucket of water, and gently place your hand in it. Now, pull out the hand as fast as you can. See the water splash around? Keep watching...... Eventually, things settle down, the water is peaceful again, and it's business as usual. You're not as important as you think you are."

At least you admit that you're not as important as you think you are. So get over yourself and get some help for your OCD.
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And nothing you posted has been on topic to tiniest little bit.

I am not important at all. I just do what I can to discuss a topic I am interested in and I do some videos to explore that topic.

What do you do? Have you done one positive thing EVER in any of these discussions?

Not that I have seen. If you have please link to any helpful thing you have written. Just one. If you do that I will put you on ignore and never answer another one of your rotten trolling posts.

Just one Allen?
 
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JB Cases said:
Do you think that this forum is full of professional players talking pool?

We are all amateurs discussing the game. Not rank beginners but not high level players either.

Your characterization of anyone who discusses aiming as a rank beginner is ludicrous. I think a lot of people who discuss it on the snooker forums and through YouTube would take exception to your generalization.

Some very high level pool players use aiming systems and talk about them. So what do you say to them?

Of course aiming wouldn't be a topic of conversation for people who play well or people who don't realize that they might not be aiming correctly. If nobs like you think it's impossible for anyone above the level of rank beginner to aim incorrectly then why would you ever talk about it?

The whole point of discussing them for those of us who do is precisely because we know that it's important and is overlooked in conventional books.

There are players on this forum who use aiming systems who would easily CRUSH you. I know that without knowing who you are. By using me as an example you are completely missing the point.

You don't have to look hard at all to find the videos that prove you wrong. Five minutes. So don't act like this took hours of research.

No one said aiming systems are on the tip of everyone's tongue in snooker. Saying it that way is a far cry from saying it's never discussed, which is what you said.

But just because it's not discussed does not mean that aiming systems are not valid. Nor does it mean that they are unworthy of being discussed. But the fact of it is that people in snooker DO discuss aiming and it's not aimed only at rank beginners.

Snooker is predicated on accuracy. Snooker players learn to aim and learn to stand properly and learn to stroke just like we do. The best pool players and the best snooker players have the same action when they shoot a ball. They might have a slightly different approach, more or less pause but the end result is the same with the cue going straight down the line and through the ball and stopping at the end.

Amateur snooker players have the same problems with their stroke as amateur pool players do. Some of them have problems aiming as pool players do. In snooker they discuss dominant eye, putting the back foot on the line of aim, placing the bridge, balance and so on...

You are foolish if you don't think that. I would bet you a million pounds that we could go to any snooker hall in London and video amateur snooker players missing tons of shots due to poor aiming AND poor cueing. And most of them wouldn't have a clue which was the reason they missed the shots that they did.

Snobs like you take aiming for granted. That's why you don't understand what we are talking about and look down on us. I'd live to see some video of you playing. Show us or get a friend who can really play and lie and tell us it's you. If you have such amazing skill then prove it.
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Admit it, John - you want to see me playing naked, don't you sweety?

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JB Cases said:
I am not important at all.
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Since you admit that you're totally unimportant, there's hope for you...but you do need to see a shrink for your OCD. Until then, you would do well to read and re-read the comments Mr. Wilson had for you back in November:

You really do under estimate how many people dislike the personna you present.

Even if you're "staying focused", your manner is so distasteful, I want nothing to do with it.

See John, from my point of view, you see AZB as your own personal internet version of the kids game , "King of the mountain" and to climb to the top it is ok to push and throw people around and continue once you think you're king of the mountain.

If it was a contest, vote people off the island as has been mentioned....you would have been gone a very long time ago as I have received more complaints about YOU than maybe any other single user in my tenure.
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PoolSharkAllen said:
Since you admit that you're totally unimportant, there's hope for you...but you do need to see a shrink for your OCD. Until then, you would do well to read and re-read the comments Mr. Wilson had for you back in November:

You really do under estimate how many people dislike the personna you present.

Even if you're "staying focused", your manner is so distasteful, I want nothing to do with it.

See John, from my point of view, you see AZB as your own personal internet version of the kids game , "King of the mountain" and to climb to the top it is ok to push and throw people around and continue once you think you're king of the mountain.

If it was a contest, vote people off the island as has been mentioned....you would have been gone a very long time ago as I have received more complaints about YOU than maybe any other single user in my tenure.
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Allen I know how you relish finding these things. The thing is that each time it's put to an actual PUBLIC vote I am not voted off the island. I will be happy to submit to one again.

Make a poll. Me or you. If you win then I go, I win you go. How important is it to you?

In fact I will extend the offer to the Thaiger, Whitewolf, and Randy. Make a poll with a simple choice, John Barton or you, who stays, who goes?

If the members vote me off then I will go. Unlike you I stand up for what I believe in and will abide by the same standard I would impose on others.

How do you like your chances?
 
JB Cases said:
Allen I know how you relish finding these things. The thing is that each time it's put to an actual PUBLIC vote I am not voted off the island. I will be happy to submit to one again.

Make a poll. Me or you. If you win then I go, I win you go. How important is it to you?

In fact I will extend the offer to the Thaiger, Whitewolf, and Randy. Make a poll with a simple choice, John Barton or you, who stays, who goes?

If the members vote me off then I will go. Unlike you I stand up for what I believe in and will abide by the same standard I would impose on others.

How do you like your chances?
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Fan of Big Brother, are we? Thought so.
 
TheThaiger said:
Fan of Big Brother, are we? Thought so.
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I have no idea what that is unless you mean Orwell's version. I have long advocated that there should be way to vote people of the island Survivor style.

Given that there is no official way I will submit to an unoffical vote. Would you?
 
JB Cases said:
I have no idea what that is unless you mean Orwell's version. I have long advocated that there should be way to vote people of the island Survivor style.

Given that there is no official way I will submit to an unoffical vote. Would you?
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Would I what? Succumb to such vanity as to enter a popularity contest with you? Nah. I have no need for constant reassurance to assess my self-worth.

Seriously, John, a little humility would do you the world of good.
 
TheThaiger said:
Haven't you just said that, Champ? Where's your video, then?
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this afternoon i will do it hopefully! i would do a snooker video but the only thing difficult in snooker is the cluster breaking and getting a shoot on a cherry and the long shots, very simple easy game played on half the table mostly lol :thumbup:
 
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JB Cases said:
Sure, if you know how to aim and can make balls then you have to work on how to make balls with varying degrees of speed and spin.

We have all seen the banger who can make balls from anywhere but knows nothing about position play. Even a person who isn't as good shot maker can usually beat this person.

The whole reason people get sideways is that many here don't want to accept that an otherwise decent player can go back to the drawing board and try a different approach to aiming and come out the other side as a better player.

Hence we have a thread with the assertion that aiming is not very important and table time should be more devoted to cb control.

Had the guy simply said that people should work on CB control then the thread would have a completely different conversation.

Who in their right mind thinks that cb control is not important? Most of us are here to discuss how to play pool better on some level. In 2001 I was one of the people who would have said aiming systems are bogus and not needed. I was a die-hard hit the shot a million times kind of guy.

In 2002 I was shown some aiming systems and I thought the guy showing me was a nutcase and only wanted to find some action and get away from him. But in the middle of the day there was no action so I stayed and listened and tried his stuff and was blown away.

That opened my mind to another side of pool. It opened me up to the possibility that maybe I wasn't aiming right on a lot of the "trouble" shots. Before then I was like, aiming, pah, everyone knows how to aim, point and shoot what's hard about that?

After Hal my pool life changed. There is no easy way to put it, I simply look at lining up way differently than I did before. And the best part is that I can see the lines now way better. Once down on the ball I can see the path the cue ball is going to take WAY better.

Prior to learning how to aim the unconventional (not book) way I used to have a lot of trouble with the shots where the cue ball needs to go deep in the corner and come out two rails. Shooting those shots often I would make the ball and scratch or go way to short being scared of the scratch. Or I would miss the ball and cinch the cue ball on the right path, get perfect shape on the next ball but have to sit down because I missed.

Now, I get down on the aiming line and I see perfectly where the ball is going with every spin I want to put on it. I am super confident because I know I am on the dead nuts perfect aiming line and I can see the tangent line as if it's lit up by a laser. Because of that my position play coming out of the corner has improved a 1000%

My buddy is a national amateur champion, Manuel Gonzales from Greeley Colorado. He was always excellent at coming out of the corners like I mentioned above. After I started using the aiming system he remarked to me that I had gotten way better at those shots as well.
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John,
You are one of the lucky ones. Some people will spend a lifetime without experiencing what you and I have. Many aiming systems but especially CTE/Pro One has, like you, have improved my alignment, my aiming, my confidence, and "seeing the shot".

I personally don't think that any aiming system is the Holy Grail but they help many people improve their skills in pocket balls. For others, it opens up an entirely new perspective and changes the way that they "see" and play pool.

My personal belief is morphing all of the time and I am starting to believe that if you are having trouble making balls, an aiming system is something that you should try (it can't hurt contrary to what a couple of naysayers say) it. I believe that many of us see things differently and that one aiming system may be better for you than another, so trying different aiming systems might find one that best suits you.

Eventually, after you learn what a perfect sight picture is supposed to look like, you may be so tuned in to the shot that you will not need to use the aiming system consciously and that you may be using it subconsciously, just like the guys who hit a millon balls with perfection.

Furthermore, the aiming systems, like Rodney Morris reports in the pool instructional video by RunOut Media, can shorten the time it takes you to get in stroke.
I don't know if there are any other valid reasons to use an aiming system like CTE/Pro One but if these aren't enough, I suggest anyone that those who don't think these are valid reasons to use an aiming system, then they should stay with instinctive aiming or whatever they call what they are using.
 
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