I heard the ivory ban goes into effect the 27th of this month. Just curious on what is going to happen to all high end cue dealers an everyone's else for that matter that is trying to sell a cue with ivory in it? Is the value of cues with ivory going drop or raise in value?
ivory ban?
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What normally happens to the price of items the government tries to ban?
What ban are you talking about?
I have talked about this with a guy that runs a billiards store in my area.I don't think you will see a price change until they start getting all bought out and they only way you can get one is by buying one from a private seller. I guess we will see what happens. I am curious about this as well.
Wow, just looked up this executive order cluster ****.
The federal govt has no jurisdiction over intra state sales, so they can't do squat if it doesn't cross a border.
I'm a musician, and have crazy amount of money in violin bows over a hundred years old that include tiny amounts (1-2 grams) of ivory. Since I wasn't even born before the 1976 buy cut off date, there's no way I could qualify for a cites passport. I'm simply ****ed up the a if I try to travel internationally with any if them. Pernambuco wood is also on that list. Keikel uses a bunch of that.
Interstate sales may be affected. This is just crazy bullshit. It's unbelievable!
The federal govt has no jurisdiction over intra state sales, so they can't do squat if it doesn't cross a border.
I'm a musician, and have crazy amount of money in violin bows over a hundred years old that include tiny amounts (1-2 grams) of ivory. Since I wasn't even born before the 1976 buy cut off date, there's no way I could qualify for a cites passport. I'm simply ****ed up the a if I try to travel internationally with any if them. Pernambuco wood is also on that list. Keikel uses a bunch of that.
Interstate sales may be affected. This is just crazy bullshit. It's unbelievable!
Welcome to America. There are no rights here anymore. So go to the store and buy up all of the Vaseline and stand in line.
High end cue dealers like cornerstone, recollection, new2youq an however many more out there have thousands of dollars in cues an I'm sure even more invested on future cues. What are they supposed to do with all the cues with ivory in them. Hand deliver them across state lines?!?!? Also curious about cue makers that have long waiting lists like haley, prewitt, tonkin, who use ivory in virtually every cue they build. What do they tell there customers that have waited for years some up to 10 years for the cue of there dreams? Sorry I can build it but your going to have to come get it?
Probably just wait for the subsequent lawsuit to work itself out.
If you care anything about this issue and specifically your property rights, I suggest you get involved. http://www.elephantprotection.org/
This is not news. It was public information for many months that the ban was coming. I'm glad. We only see the end result ---- a pretty cue stick. We don't see the horrific slaughtering of those beautiful animals, where their tusks are removed while they are still alive and their corpses are left there to rot.
Instead of complaining about money, we should be proud to be a part of the beginning process of stopping such needless slaughter.
Instead of complaining about money, we should be proud to be a part of the beginning process of stopping such needless slaughter.
I wish it was that simple to end this needless slaughtering but I think this ban will have little to no impact since the U.S. isn't the only country where ivory has a big demand.
Currently its a very overzealous approach to a simple problem.
I agree with stopping the poaching etc. But, theyve gone a little bit overboard with some of the rules and requirements. Not to mention the fact that the law still allows for the hunting of elephants! Duh.
However, the good news is, amendments are and will be made during the coming months that will probably make more sense, so its not quite set in stone just yet.
Here is the latest info from U.S. fish and wildlife, the body in charge of enforcing these laws...
http://www.fws.gov/international/travel-and-trade/ivory-ban-questions-and-answers.html
I agree with stopping the poaching etc. But, theyve gone a little bit overboard with some of the rules and requirements. Not to mention the fact that the law still allows for the hunting of elephants! Duh.
However, the good news is, amendments are and will be made during the coming months that will probably make more sense, so its not quite set in stone just yet.
Here is the latest info from U.S. fish and wildlife, the body in charge of enforcing these laws...
http://www.fws.gov/international/travel-and-trade/ivory-ban-questions-and-answers.html
Violation of the law gets you 1 year in prison and a $100,000 fine.
Getting a CITES Certificate for vintage Balabushkas, Szambotis, Martins, Rambows, etc. will be impossible, making them all illegal to import/export or sell across state lines.
Banning the sale of vintage cues WILL NOT save any elephants......
Getting a CITES Certificate for vintage Balabushkas, Szambotis, Martins, Rambows, etc. will be impossible, making them all illegal to import/export or sell across state lines.
Banning the sale of vintage cues WILL NOT save any elephants......
Maybe. We don't really know yet what the impact will be. Maybe other countries will follow suit. I'm glad we're setting the example. It has to start somewhere.
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They're banning existing ivory from elephants dead long before there ever was a ban.
New ivory has been banned for 35 years.
This new ban on existing ivory just drives black market demand and causes more elephants to be slaughtered. It's making things worse for everybody, not better.
I bet China and Thailand are going to abide by the US laws. 
That's where almost all of poached ivory gets sold now.
That's where almost all of poached ivory gets sold now.
Fran, How would YOU like it if the government announced that the existence of YOUR money, paper and coinage, was detrimental to survival of the forest, hurts livestock for the harvesting of their coats AND the mining of gold, sliver, copper, and tin (which are used to make coins) hurt our existing environment so ALL existing monies are now against the law to transfer intrastate or internationally... All money would just about be worthless same as the cues...
People have invested in the cue market for their future and though the future banning of ivory is fine, making all existing pieces that were obtained legally now illegal is borderline criminal....
Sorry, I have cues with ivory as well that I purchased back when I was willing to rationalize how the ivory came to be in the cue. Now I'm willing to accept the consequences because I accept now how horrific it all was.
Such is life. Making things right often comes at a price.
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I bet China and Thailand are going to abide by the US laws.
That's where almost all of poached ivory gets sold now.
And we can now proudly say that it will not enter into the United States.
What does anyone expect when it's amateur hour running the show and making the policy.
This is quite a complex problem...not just thinking about here in the US, but elsewhere. The simple, quickest solution (like the new ban) is almost never the correct answer. The demand for ivory in the US is ever-decreasing with each passing generation, and all the legal/old ivory that's already here satiates that demand. This new approach does ZERO to help things elsewhere in the world, like in China, where demand for ivory is ever-increasing, because their economy is growing and millions more have new-found financial means to obtain it. "It" being something that's been highly prized for thousands of years in their culture.
The only answer here is conservation.....but that is the hard answer, the answer that costs a lot of money and time and effort and leadership and teamwork.
Carry on.....