Ivory Documentary Idea

DavidMNienow

DavidMNienow

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Hello Everyone

Let me begin by reporting that in recent weeks I have completed certifications as a Studio and Field Producer for Rogue Valley Community Television based in Ashland Oregon. As a producer I am assisting on various shows produced by other producers and also producing my own shows for the summer season. Shows are broadcast on the local Public Access Channels and are available online.

I am also working on producing different field documentary projects during the summer. I have 3 ideas that I am pursuing. One of those projects is the following idea:

Since the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Forensics Laboratory is also based in Ashland, Oregon I have the idea of contacting the lab to assist in producing a documentary on Ivory, the Ivory Trade, and its context use in custom cues for the benefit of cue buyers, cue collectors and cue makers. We can discuss science issues relating to Ivory, its identification, types, testing of, use of in its various artistic and cultural forms. And in turn its use in cue making. The current regulations relating to ivory and usage.

The lab is a major player in relation to wildlife crimes of all types. So it has a strong background in Ivory issues. Since my position and location allow me to work on this kind of documentary project I am seeking feedback on the level of interest in thr pool community for this kind of project.

Also I would like to receive feedback from the community here as to the types of questions that they would like to see addressed and answered in this documentary. After all the focus is to address issues relating to the interests of cue buyers, collectors and cue makers.

And since all my efforts as a producer for public access are voluntary, who feel that they could provide some donation support to help cover production costs for the documentary if I were to produce a fundraising page for the project.

That's it. I look forward to heating everyone's feedback.
 
Talk to Ginacue about ivory and pool cues.

GINACUE
Ernie Gutierrez
5424 Vineland Ave.
North Hollywood, CA 91601
Phone: 818-509-0454

DavidMNienow said:
Hello Everyone

Let me begin by reporting that in recent weeks I have completed certifications as a Studio and Field Producer for Rogue Valley Community Television based in Ashland Oregon. As a producer I am assisting on various shows produced by other producers and also producing my own shows for the summer season. Shows are broadcast on the local Public Access Channels and are available online.

I am also working on producing different field documentary projects during the summer. I have 3 ideas that I am pursuing. One of those projects is the following idea:

Since the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Forensics Laboratory is also based in Ashland, Oregon I have the idea of contacting the lab to assist in producing a documentary on Ivory, the Ivory Trade, and its context use in custom cues for the benefit of cue buyers, cue collectors and cue makers. We can discuss science issues relating to Ivory, its identification, types, testing of, use of in its various artistic and cultural forms. And in turn its use in cue making. The current regulations relating to ivory and usage.

The lab is a major player in relation to wildlife crimes of all types. So it has a strong background in Ivory issues. Since my position and location allow me to work on this kind of documentary project I am seeking feedback on the level of interest in thr pool community for this kind of project.

Also I would like to receive feedback from the community here as to the types of questions that they would like to see addressed and answered in this documentary. After all the focus is to address issues relating to the interests of cue buyers, collectors and cue makers.

And since all my efforts as a producer for public access are voluntary, who feel that they could provide some donation support to help cover production costs for the documentary if I were to produce a fundraising page for the project.

That's it. I look forward to heating everyone's feedback.
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And why do you suggst that?

I wouldnt think he has much to say other than:
-i believed my ivory was legal
-i was frustrated that i had so much invested in something that was declared worthless.
-its only wrong if you get caught.
-those badges are real.
-lawyers are expensive.
mchnhed said:
Talk to Ginacue about ivory and pool cues.

GINACUE
Ernie Gutierrez
5424 Vineland Ave.
North Hollywood, CA 91601
Phone: 818-509-0454
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Here is a good short starter article on the economics of ivory re elephants' survival.

Here are a series of articles along that same line.

Without first a good economic foundation, this issue cannot be understood completely.


Jeff Livingston
 
Lets just assume your intentions are good. I see no reason to determine otherwise.

That out of the way, i think you would ned to consider the mission of a lab...it is to conduct work on a subject, not make or directly influence policy. I would stay away from any reference to Law, other than to acknowledge its current position.

The lab rats are happy to grt to play with their sciency things all day and are not going to push back at the people that fund them.

Washington is mired in, well...politics.

I would see cue making as a segment in a shoe, not a whe show.

Did you think about contacting ernie g.? :eek:
DavidMNienow said:
Hello Everyone

Let me begin by reporting that in recent weeks I have completed certifications as a Studio and Field Producer for Rogue Valley Community Television based in Ashland Oregon. As a producer I am assisting on various shows produced by other producers and also producing my own shows for the summer season. Shows are broadcast on the local Public Access Channels and are available online.

I am also working on producing different field documentary projects during the summer. I have 3 ideas that I am pursuing. One of those projects is the following idea:

Since the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Forensics Laboratory is also based in Ashland, Oregon I have the idea of contacting the lab to assist in producing a documentary on Ivory, the Ivory Trade, and its context use in custom cues for the benefit of cue buyers, cue collectors and cue makers. We can discuss science issues relating to Ivory, its identification, types, testing of, use of in its various artistic and cultural forms. And in turn its use in cue making. The current regulations relating to ivory and usage.

The lab is a major player in relation to wildlife crimes of all types. So it has a strong background in Ivory issues. Since my position and location allow me to work on this kind of documentary project I am seeking feedback on the level of interest in thr pool community for this kind of project.

Also I would like to receive feedback from the community here as to the types of questions that they would like to see addressed and answered in this documentary. After all the focus is to address issues relating to the interests of cue buyers, collectors and cue makers.

And since all my efforts as a producer for public access are voluntary, who feel that they could provide some donation support to help cover production costs for the documentary if I were to produce a fundraising page for the project.

That's it. I look forward to heating everyone's feedback.
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Ivory is not just from Elephants.

Ivory is not just from Elephants.
Vilifiing everyone who collects or uses ivory is wrong.
Should we stop the cultural art of scrimshaw?
Yes, poaching is bad. But to try to stop it at the demand end is as silly as trying to stop the drug trade by arresting individual users.

chefjeff said:
Here is a good short starter article on the economics of ivory re elephants' survival.

Here are a series of articles along that same line.

Without first a good economic foundation, this issue cannot be understood completely.

Jeff Livingston
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I doubt Ernie would be willing to speak much on the topic. But, then again you never know. Probably wouldn't under the advise of his atty. he is obviously not the only one that used ivory but I think his interview pre ban was enough to make him an example. What a great interview that was BTW. Wish more cue makers would do that level of interview.


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mchnhed said:
Ivory is not just from Elephants.
Vilifiing everyone who collects or uses ivory is wrong.
Should we stop the cultural art of scrimshaw?
Yes, poaching is bad. But to try to stop it at the demand end is as silly as trying to stop the drug trade by arresting individual users.
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Uh, you obviously didn't read the links.


Jeff Livingston
 
Great. Another film-making activist with an agenda. I'm sure we can count on you being fair to all sides in the ivory collecting issue. About as fair as CNN.
 
Ernie won't talk about it until he's off probation. End of story.

It's an interesting subject but it's also a slippery slope because of the public's skewed perception about ivory use.

On the one hand, it would be nice for the general public to see, up close, and better understand, the artistry, the skill, and the passion of cue makers and the like.

However, for some, learning "more" about the use ivory in the u.s., legal or not, will only fuel the fires of hate under their collective asses, when they see that there are still plenty of people out there who love ivory.

Is it possible to produce a truly neutral piece on the subject? Yes.
Will it be seen and perceived that way?
I doubt it.
 
The only thing that matters about ivory is where it's still legally permissive to use & sell.

It is banned internationally so the only thing that matters is what the state laws are. How
ivory is tested or tracked, from the birth of an elephant to the creation of a pool cue, is of no
interest or consequence personally speaking because the law is what it is. If I cannot buy
or sell ivory or have a pool cue made using ivory, that's the only thing that genuinely matters.


Matt B.
 
People on here are always saying how the film world is lacking in quality pool movies.
What about a documentary about billiards?
 
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Now showing at 8 pm on IFC: Why Killing Elephants Is Totally Cool When It's To Use Their Tusks As Inlays In Pool Cues
 
Next week's episode on PBS will report on the tons of legal ivory that's been in the USA
since before 1978's ivory ban was enacted and the resultant loss of millions of dollars of
revenue that "could" result from taxing the sale of this legal ivory to only "authorized and
registered" buyers with the Department of Interior that could otherwise be used to help
fund animal conservation programs worldwide and in particular, African Game Preserves.
It was noted by the producers of next week's episode on PBS that the elephant ivory seen
in this documentary involved pachyiderms that have been deceased for at least 50 years.
 
Documentary

This is part of what is wrong with pool. Why shoot this guy's idea down - and then run your mouth about killing elephants because you have a personal agenda? There is NOTHING wrong with using the untold thousands to millions of pounds of old, legal ivory already in this country. Not using it will not bring one single elephant back to life! It was harvested at some point. It should be used instead of wasted. People that are not going to do anything constructive should not be deterring someone that is.
 
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