ivory ferrules

fast larry said:
Yes, I just did a tour of the far east, 30,000 miles. Yes I was in Hong Kong. Yes I do exhibitions in China and yes they pay me big yuans and Rupiats there. I have spent a month touring China from one end to the other twice now. A month is a long time to be away from a fork. I did a 5 day tour in that region for 35 million rupiats. My pal Mike Massey did a week tour there for 10 grand us. What do you think we are doing over there, running around to get a tan?

I am in and out of Hong Kong a lot and have played the Forbidden Palace in Bejing. Their money goes into my bank just as fast as yours does. I am promoting and the usa manager of a major tournament in Shaghai this November. The top 16 Artistic players on earth will go there to play for 40 grand, all expenses paid in and out. I have the sanction of the WPA for the event, it's my idea and baby, it's called the Big Kahuna contest. I have a lot happening in China, so what. I have stuff going on in Paris also, what's the point. They are killing and eating swamp rats there and steaming them in beer. What am I susposed to do, boycott France and throw out all my congnac and merlots. How many cows do you think we shoot in the head here every day? She yet dies man, she yet happens.

I don't turn money down to do exhibitions any where for any one. I would do a show in hell if I got 10 grand in advance and a ac room. Have passport, will travel dude. I did not see too many elephants running around down town Hong Kong and no I do not see your point. Some People there are poor in rural areas, they will poach. They do that to steal the tusk they know you will buy. If you refuse to buy or use that material, the market dries up and the killing stops. What does my doing shows in China have to do with you using and selling Ivory?

Or are we sort of desperate to change this subject here. Let's throw some mud on old fl now, that's the next page in the play book is it not. We called him crazy, that did not work, now let make up a new one.

Yes I sell tables made in China, a foreign country, so does Brunswick, theirs comes from a 3rd world country also, so what? I sell cues made in America by only Americans. Every part of that cue is from America. It is called a Meucci, made in the South where I live. Yes I do buy cues from China, name me one distributor in this country that does not do the same thing. Where do you think cue tec is from, NYC?

I show up in public and perform with an American cue in my hand, either a Meucci from Mississippi or a Schuler from Chicago. Does not Allison and Earl and Johnny show up in public playing with a Chinese cue. Where does Buddy's cue come from?

Look on the back of my vest, you will see a big red white and blue American flag, I leave no doubt where I am from. I wore that vest world wide and in places Americans had been bombed and killed at recently. I wore it in the largest Muslim country on earth. Look at my visor, on the front is a picture of our country, the USA in gold. I am a walking USA BILLBOARD. I just got in a little signed note from George thanking me for that, being a loyal american.

WHAT A LAME ASS SLAM THAT ONE WAS, YOU GUYS ARE SLIPPING, YOU USED TO BE BETTER AT THIS. You might go back to calling me a fraud and a liar, we have not heard that one in the last 15 minutes. Try I can't run 3 friggin balls, or I have 3 balls. How about I made up all of my records, faked my 20 prime time TV appearances and paid ESPN under the table to let me on the air. Be creative guys, somebody might be F**kin dumb enough to buy into these. There are some really dumb bells running around out there, hell, they even pay $100 for a ferrule that deflects awful, it's the old saying, one is born every minute.

Can we refocus here, here it is, it is real simple, Save the Elephants.
Don't sell Ivory, don't buy ivory, then elephants do not get killed. Can we stay on the subject and debate that please. :D

Joe, re read name of thread, Ivory ferrules, does not say throw mud on fl, everyone gang up. Ivory Joe, it comes from Elephants mostly. Should we or should we not use it. Should the player ask for it and buy it or boycott it, that sir is the topic here, now stay on the topic Joe, focus dude....

May God bless and peace be with you. May the wind be always on your back and all 9 balls fall. VENI VIDI VICI, OMNIA VINCIT AMOR. Latin for “I came, I saw, I conquered, love conquerors all. Yes I really did do it all and you can believe it, or not. If you don’t believe it, C’est La Vie. A prophet is not recognized in his own land. Rack em sausage, Go play fast and loose. In time, it’s all dust in the wind anyway.
 
fast larry said:
The site did not open, you got a phone number, I want to call them up and order a couple of tusks just to see if a real museum sells this stuff. I used to be a big game hunter in an earlier life, you would not believe the stuff I have laying around. :D

Opened fine for me.

Warther's of Ohio
2561 Crestview Dr. NW
Dover, Ohio 44622-7405

330-343-1865 Daytime Number (EST)
Email: info @ ivorybuyer.com
 
ivory is out there and it doesnt matter what some ppl may rant about it beeing wrong to kill elephants. im just asking ppl what they think of it and why high dollar cues still use it. i like the hit.,,,,,,,,, bill (btw, i started this post no matter how much space some other ppl have used on it)
 
hey f l are you talkin to yourself again,,,,,,,,,,,,,6 times in a row,,,,,,is that some kind of record??????????????????????,,,,,,,,,,,,lol
 
fast larry said:
The site did not open, you got a phone number, I want to call them up and order a couple of tusks just to see if a real museum sells this stuff. I used to be a big game hunter in an earlier life, you would not believe the stuff I have laying around. :D
The link works just fine.
 
fast larry said:
Fast, when I get ready for bed, when I flip the light switch off, I am under the covers before the lights go out.

Oh, c'mon. Even a young whipper-snapper like me knows this is a quote stolen from the great Muhammed Ali! :D
 
Two comments:
1. Over at CCb they are aghast at this post & patting
themselves on the back for not being petty like the
AZ bunch.
2. Go back to the 1st few posts. Fl offered an opinion
and Blud attacked him. My old man was like that.
Start an argument, start a free for all, and go out
the backdoor shaking his head about all the assholes
in the bar. I know. Now blud will come on & tell me
that I don't have to read his posts if I don't like them.
He can listen to his own advice sometimes when it
comes to FL.
 
hondo said:
Two comments:
1. Over at CCb they are aghast at this post & patting
themselves on the back for not being petty like the
AZ bunch.
2. Go back to the 1st few posts. Fl offered an opinion
and Blud attacked him. My old man was like that.
Start an argument, start a free for all, and go out
the backdoor shaking his head about all the assholes
in the bar. I know. Now blud will come on & tell me
that I don't have to read his posts if I don't like them.
He can listen to his own advice sometimes when it
comes to FL.

Yeah, some clown over at CCB thinks you guys are looking pretty - well ... just read this thread over and you tell me.

Chris
 
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hondo said:
Two comments:
1. Over at CCb they are aghast at this post & patting
themselves on the back for not being petty like the
AZ bunch.
2. Go back to the 1st few posts. Fl offered an opinion
and Blud attacked him. My old man was like that.
Start an argument, start a free for all, and go out
the backdoor shaking his head about all the assholes
in the bar. I know. Now blud will come on & tell me
that I don't have to read his posts if I don't like them.
He can listen to his own advice sometimes when it
comes to FL.

Hi Hondo,
For the record, fl, said you don't need clean balls for playing pool. [ this was not an opinion, his statement was a fact according to him].I said, i begg to differ, sir....... So to me that's not attacting him, or an opinion.

[ this topic, became nasty, as most arguments do. It was history until now].
fl and i have settled this long ago. I see no need in bringing this old news up. Nothing to gain from it.

I have seen Mike Massey and several others doing trick shots with "clean balls' not dirty ones as fast uses.

I state facts, sir. This is also a fact, read when and where you like for I have no axe to grind with you or anyone, sir. I do my very best to help one and all here and in every day life.
all the best to you, hondo.
blud
 
blud said:
Hi Hondo,
For the record, fl, said you don't need clean balls for playing pool. [ this was not an opinion, his statement was a fact according to him].I said, i begg to differ, sir....... So to me that's not attacting him, or an opinion.

[ this topic, became nasty, as most arguments do. It was history until now].
fl and i have settled this long ago. I see no need in bringing this old news up. Nothing to gain from it.

I have seen Mike Massey and several others doing trick shots with "clean balls' not dirty ones as fast uses.

I state facts, sir. This is also a fact, read when and where you like for I have no axe to grind with you or anyone, sir. I do my very best to help one and all here and in every day life.
all the best to you, hondo.
blud



This is FL: All I can say is I lost the two threads on the dirty ball thing. Nobody understood. My balls are clean, I just do not want to ever put them in a polishing machine and make them real slick, they will then throw different and the cuts will change. I hand wipe my balls with a towel only if they get a smudge. Ask any artistic player and they will tell you dirty balls throw better than a brand new or squeeky clean ball. My world is all about throwing balls and being able to throw them so the shots repeat, therefore nobody knows more about this subject than we do. My cue ball I want highly polished and buffed so it is slick and slides on the draws and I would have no problem putting it in a ball polishing machine. I now do that by hand and it's a lot of hard work.

Thank goodness we have returned to calm civility over the Ivory ferrule issue and this thread did not go down into the sewer like the last two did. I am frankly surprised at this. I think we all had our say and this issue has been properly debated well by both sides. So we don't beat a dead horse, perhaps we should let this one now slide and fade off into the sunset and move into new topics.

Allow me my final say here please nice people. There are tons of fur coats laying around the country. You can buy them cheap. You buy the coat and wear it you can say, I did not kill the animal and it's already in the country after bans on that animal becoming extinct so its OK to wear it. Wear a fur coat out in LA and somebody will walk up behind you with a can of paint and throw it all over your head and coat. I do not endorse that, two wrongs never make a right. That shocking tactic did work, the message was do not wear or buy real fur coats, doing so gives somebody a financial to go trap that animal for his fur, to sell the pelts here for a coat some rich bitch will prance around in showing off her wealth from marrying some old fart twice her age.
The animals are caught in traps, which breaks and mangles their legs and they die a horrible death in the snow and ice as they slowly starve to death.
All for a coat. We are no longer cave men, we no longer need fur to keep warm, there are other materials now. That was the campaign, it worked.

Same on save the Whales, that campaign is working.

I am now suggesting is not such a campaign on save the Elephants worth considering by the players. Yes there is a lot of old Ivory laying around here that is legal to use. Like the fur coats, keep using it, keep buying it, Illegal Ivory will be snuck in on the sly and Elephants will continue to die. The only solution is to stop buying the product. Bans do not work, stuff is snuck in. Look how much dope comes in and it's banned. Bans do not work. Only you the consumer can say no, put on a fiber ferrule, no Ivory for me. No, do not use Ivory in my inlays, use an imititation. Do that, Demand stops, no more comes in and Elephants live.

The cue makers who have Ivory now will sell it if you buy it. They have no morals on this issue. I can buy a elephant ferruls already drilled and ready to put on my cue for $15. The price they charge you is a 7 times mark up. Only Diamonds have a higher mark up of 10 times vs wholesale to retail, and only cocaine has a higher mark up of that of Diamonds. With that amout of profit, you can see why they are all on this thread defending so virgorusly what they are doing. They have a legal right to sell you that Ivory ferrule. They have a legal right to mark it up 7 times over their cost.

You are a player and a consumer have a right to say no, no more Ivory, save the Elephants.
On that, I rest my case and I have spoken.

Best Wishes,
Fast Larry Guninger, a player, not a cue maker. None of the cues I sell have Ivory inlays or Ivory ferrules also just for the record.

May God bless and peace be with you. May the wind be always on your back and all 9 balls fall. VENI VIDI VICI, OMNIA VINCIT AMOR. Latin for “I came, I saw, I conquered, love conquerors all. Yes I really did do it all and you can believe it, or not. If you don’t believe it, C’est La Vie. A prophet is not recognized in his own land. Rack em sausage, Go play fast and loose. In time, it’s all dust in the wind anyway
 
I wished that those who post at this site would take their ad hominem remarks somewhere else other than a forum.

If the elephant has died of natural causes (heart attack, the natives harvesting it for the meat, etc...), then the ivory should be harvested as well. For me to kill such a beautiful animal for just a tusk is the devil's own work and I am an NRA Life Member and proud of it.
 
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Bans do not work, stuff is snuck in. Look how much dope comes in and it's banned. Bans do not work. Only you the consumer can say no, put on a fiber ferrule, no Ivory for me. No, do not use Ivory in my inlays, use an imititation. Do that, Demand stops, no more comes in and Elephants live.

Ok, first off, don't use dope as an analogy, the federal government (mainly, the CIA), is the largest drug dealer in the world (war on drugs... my ass), and second off, on that quote, fiber ferrules... are junk, they hit/feel/play like $hit

The cue makers who have Ivory now will sell it if you buy it. They have no morals on this issue. I can buy a elephant ferruls already drilled and ready to put on my cue for $15. The price they charge you is a 7 times mark up. Only Diamonds have a higher mark up of 10 times vs wholesale to retail, and only cocaine has a higher mark up of that of Diamonds. With that amout of profit, you can see why they are all on this thread defending so virgorusly what they are doing. They have a legal right to sell you that Ivory ferrule. They have a legal right to mark it up 7 times over their cost.

So if a cuemaker uses ivory in their cues... they are heartless bastards who don't care about animals...
I would like to know where you can get an ivory drilled (and tapped... I hope) for $15... I would really like to know... that's a pretty good deal, I know of one place where you can get them drilled/ single point threaded, with cap and glue relief hole for $25... that's the best I’ve seen, and yes anybody can get an ivory ferrule blank for $15... but let me educate you Larry on what it takes to make that blank into a finished ferrule, and install it... first you have to face off both ends, then center drill it, drill a glue relief hole and drill it slowly (too much heat or pressure... and opps.. out the window with that one) (I have a little boring bar that I finish the 7/32 hole with... makes it easier), then you can tap it with a 5/16-18 tap, or grind the threads in (with a grinder and threading bit), then you have to turn a tennon, either use a cheap tennon threader, or grind the threads on that as well, and then take care when turning it flush with the shaft... gee that sounds like a lot of work doesn't it... well worth the mark-up that goes along with it... not everybody turns a 3/8" tennon, and slips on a cheap ferrule with yellow glue like your dear Meucci... and for the record (I’m not talking from experience but...) the reason there is such a high markup on cocaine is it has to be cut and mixed with the right amount of sugar, and too much or too little could get you shot... (It’s amazing what you can learn on discovery channel, I used to know how to make a perfect pipe bomb :eek: :D ) and this post isn't a post to get you mad or spark some inner demon to come out and post for you... this is a "just to let you know how much work is involved" post...

Thanks

Jon

I enjoy this stuff (fights and debates... lol)
 
Originally Posted by BiG_JoN
Ok, first off, don't use dope as an analogy, the federal government (mainly, the CIA), is the largest drug dealer in the world (war on drugs... my ass), and second off, on that quote, fiber ferrules... are junk, they hit/feel/play like $hit



So if a cuemaker uses ivory in their cues... they are heartless bastards who don't care about animals...
I would like to know where you can get an ivory drilled (and tapped... I hope) for $15... I would really like to know... that's a pretty good deal, I know of one place where you can get them drilled/ single point threaded, with cap and glue relief hole for $25... that's the best I’ve seen, and yes anybody can get an ivory ferrule blank for $15... but let me educate you Larry on what it takes to make that blank into a finished ferrule, and install it... first you have to face off both ends, then center drill it, drill a glue relief hole and drill it slowly (too much heat or pressure... and opps.. out the window with that one) (I have a little boring bar that I finish the 7/32 hole with... makes it easier), then you can tap it with a 5/16-18 tap, or grind the threads in (with a grinder and threading bit), then you have to turn a tennon, either use a cheap tennon threader, or grind the threads on that as well, and then take care when turning it flush with the shaft... gee that sounds like a lot of work doesn't it... well worth the mark-up that goes along with it... not everybody turns a 3/8" tennon, and slips on a cheap ferrule with yellow glue like your dear Meucci... and for the record (I’m not talking from experience but...) the reason there is such a high markup on cocaine is it has to be cut and mixed with the right amount of sugar, and too much or too little could get you shot... (It’s amazing what you can learn on discovery channel, I used to know how to make a perfect pipe bomb ) and this post isn't a post to get you mad or spark some inner demon to come out and post for you... this is a "just to let you know how much work is involved" post...

Thanks

Jon

I enjoy this stuff (fights and debates... lol)


Thanks Jon for all that great information. Sir, I did say you have a right to mark up your product any ratio you wish. Anything up to 50 to 100% I would consider more that acceptable. If you are in this range, then you are being fair in price, sorry, I failed to take into account your labor of installation, my mistake sir.

Like I said, all I want to do now is withdraw from this debate if I may, have other fish to fry. oooohhhhhhhhhh, maybe I'll start a save the catfish campaign next. Maybe Hanoi Jane who lives close to me will kick in some cash after cleaning out Teddy. She's flush now. How about, save the snail darter. People are running over walking catfish in Florida, we can have that. We should build million dollar bridges over the turnpike so the catfish can walk over them and not be smashed by the trucks.

Jon about the cheap ass fiber ferrules I am using, yes sir they are cheap in price, but they work, so their performance is high and I sir care nothing about pretty. Ivory is pretty and shiny, lovely, performance, total crap. Ferrule, dull, performance, out standing, see red dot and 314 sales on shafts to prove that point sir. More shafts were bought from those two last year than any other, so where is your point here Jon? That alone sir kicks your argument out the door. Jon, tell me how many old farts over the hill over 50 are still playing with your ivory ferrules, give me a number.

Now tell me how many are playing with your ivory ferrules on the modern tour today, on the men’s and ladies side. Give me that number and when you get it, Jon, check mate, your ass it out the door son.

Thank you Jon for you intelligent and polite debate, that sir I appreciate from you. You have an opinion here, so do I. Each should respect the others views, even if we disagree with them. We should always, agree, to disagree, this is what my mouthpiece is always telling me.

Jon cocaine has a retail markup up of 2700 percent, which is why they bought off presidents and entire governments. Yes the CIA is dirty as she yet here, I know, it's called side funding of black ops. It's a wonder they did not burn Ronnie like the set up and burned tricky dickey. Because Ronnie gave them a green light they burned a poor colonel instead to take the fall.

I once played with Ivory ferrules like every one of my era did. Jon, we had no choice. When I went into my pool hall they handed me an ivory cue ball to play with. I had no choice then. There were no red circles back then. Yes Jon there will be people today of note who will play with things of the past. Look at Efren; he plays with an Elk Master tip, Hugh mistake. He made that mistake 25 years ago, has adjusted to it and sees no reason to change now. A talisman pig skin would play circles around that elk master but some will not move forward in time and adopt changing technology. It’s the same thing with the pros using ivory today. Some are stuck in the past and using them as examples is sort of reaching badly Jon. It’s almost embarrassing them, so I would not do that any more.

Do acquire my two video tapes, 3-2000 vol I and vol II, sir, you will see hundreds of shots all make with what you call cheap ass fiber ferrules, 20 world records were set and 50 of these shots cannot be duplicated by any man on Earth in the last 10 years. Like I said Jon, I don't care what the cost is, how ugly it is, in a woman or in a ferrule, all I seek is total performance. Give me that and I will ride it hard and long all night long, you can always put a pillow cover over its head you know. Any body wants to see those shots made with a crappie cheap ferrule go into www.fastlarrypool.com and order the two tapes, two I will sell you for $25 instead of the normal $40 just to show you guys what I have here, just drop your payment into pay pal. Jon when you see what I can do with a cue, your argument is she yit sir. The eyes don't lie. That’s two tapes for $12 bucks each, not the normal $35 ea now charged. If you won’t pay that to examine my work, then stop slamming my work.

Ray Schuler and I spent a great deal of time together. We were very close for a long time. I must always have a cue maker expert around me. Rays now gone so it’s now Bob. I need special things made for me; I can’t use every thing right off of the shelf. I do with his cue, the power piston, but when it comes to the jumps and masses, I want made what I order and what I know works.

We did a lot of experimenting on many different things and into many areas. We went through almost every wood on earth. He made custome cues in Palatine, Ill and was a cue making genius. I played with his cue from 1985 to his passing. Ray has a little respect in the European billiard community Jon. Most of my records were with his cue, not all, but many. They were done with his maple shafts, short billiard ferrule and the Bangkok birch wood I discovered and the fast shaft which is a revolutionary taper. My record shots were done with Rambo’s, Falcons F-23, Schuler’s and Meucci's power pistons red dots. I did not hang up my Rambo until 93.

I am not owned and controlled by any cue guy; I can do or say what I please. Bob right now is asking me to play with the black dot as is all his other pros and I refuse. I say, I gave up the 314 to go to the red dot, why return to a copy of the 314. You see Bob has no control over me, none. We are just very good friends and he makes me special stuff now that Ray used to do for me.

Rays teachings to me were telling me what you want and I will build it for you. Do you want comfort, pleasant hit, then that is like a car, let’s get in your town car and drive off for a soft ride. If you want total performance, should we then not get in my corvette? You can scream the tires but the ride will be rough. Cues made today are built in the middle, so they don't do any thing really well. They are a sell out. That is the main mistake you have all made.

Selling comfort and hit sells cues. I ignore this, I seek only performance. Give me totally performance; I will ride it long and hard, all night long. God pity the old people trying to sleep on the other wall of my Days Inn room. If the room is rockin, don’t come knockin in the morning. There is always a do not disturb sign on my door knob.

May God bless and peace be with you. May the wind be always on your back and all 9 balls fall. VENI VIDI VICI, OMNIA VINCIT AMOR. Latin for “I came, I saw, I conquered, love conquerors all. Yes I really did do it all and you can believe it, or not. If you don’t believe it, C’est La Vie. A prophet is not recognized in his own land. Rack em sausage, Go play fast and loose. In time, it’s all dust in the wind anyway
:D
 
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I love grilled catfish. Can't wait to return to Georgia! Uncle Budddd's in Smyrna, here I come.
 
Too bad f l considers my cues obsolete wall hangers, after all I love playing with them,,,,,,,,,,o btw so does Tommy Kennedy and Scotty T.
I guess Ill just let players use them instead of talkers.
 
billfishhead said:
Too bad f l considers my cues obsolete wall hangers, after all I love playing with them,,,,,,,,,,o btw so does Tommy Kennedy and Scotty T.
I guess Ill just let players use them instead of talkers.



Have you ever really watched Kennedy play. He is a ball puncher and slider. A center ball striker like buddy hall. It does not matter what he has on his ferrule. Ne never lets his stroke out on anything because he does not have one. I like him very much, but what he does it the exact opposite of what I teach. I teach a Greenleaf, Hoppe, Mosconi stroke and action on the cue ball, that requires action and a stroke and a cue and ferrule that reacts. Kennedy could take my Wal mart mop handle and do the same thing as he is doing now, poke, punch and slide the cue ball around. I teach this in my drill of doom, I just don't want the player doing it all the time like Tom does, he over uses it IMHO.

That does not matter because he has perfected what he does do which is run out and win. If he runs out and kicks your ass, does it really matter how he does it?
Yes he did punch, poke and slide his ball around to take out Archer in the USOPEN in one of the best wins and matches I have in my library.
Tom Kennedy, he was in my booth playing with me at last years Hopkins, he is a friend and a wonderful champion. You picked sir a very bad example for your argument, no disrecpect to the great Tom Kennedy. Scotty, sorry I have never seen play which I guess is to my great embarassment and shame. :D I don't go to 9 ball events so I must admit I am getting out of date on how's how out there now. :D
 
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so who exactly are these merchants of death larry ?
,,,,,,,,,,give me some names, starting with cue makers.

all i wanna know realy is what ppl think of ivory as a ferrule material ?
 
billfishhead said:
so who exactly are these merchants of death larry ?
,,,,,,,,,,give me some names, starting with cue makers.

all i wanna know realy is what ppl think of ivory as a ferrule material ?

Read the above post, I apologized for that statement before your post. Don't whip that into something it does not need to go into. If you have problems with your conscience, go see a priest on Friday nights and confess and obtain forgiveness, don't attack and degrade me with your sins and your conscience. Every time I see Ivory on a cue, the images of some native shooting some magnificent Elephant in the head appear before me, I see him hit the ground and they hack his tooth out while he is still in death throes. I see the corpse bloating in the sun with buzzards feasting on it. All so you can have a slick ferrule chalk dust wont collect on because you wont learn how to chalk your tip right. For that, this magnificent animal must die this horrible and cruel death. Stop this argument with me; it is becoming too painful to continue. All I want to do is go and I shall now, good bye. This is my final post on this, I am now retired from this debate, Hast La Vista, babies. You won the first two debates, I won this one, do not be discouraged, you are still 2-1.

May God bless and peace be with you. May the wind be always on your back and all 9 balls fall. VENI VIDI VICI, OMNIA VINCIT AMOR. Latin for “I came, I saw, I conquered, love conquerors all. Yes I really did do it all and you can believe it, or not. If you don’t believe it, C’est La Vie. A prophet is not recognized in his own land. Rack em sausage, Go play fast and loose. In time, it’s all dust in the wind anyway.
:rolleyes: :mad: :eek:
 
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