ivory ferrules
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Joseph Cues said:
Hi Joseph,
On the flex point matters and bored hole shafts and the effects there is little that I can say. There may be some small effects but I doubt they are highly significant.
The lighter shaft though, would act similarly to a ligher ferrule, bit less significant I believe.
As for flex cues holding grip longer...again that seems hard to grasp.
As for billiard players (In fact English Billiards was my first cue sport) deflection bothers us much less than in the potting sports. The advantage in billiard is the 1/2 ball hit, which give a large angle of error in making accurate contact (line of shot). Potting sports require more accuracy. Billiards more a knowledge of angles.
For the spin:speed ratio subject, perhaps you misunderstood. I don't mean how much spin can be developed, for huge spin a heavier cue is ok. I mean the shots that require holding an angle. eg: Draw off a 3/4 ball shot as widely as possible. The proof is in the physics.
Cue ball speed is proportional to cue speed and weight m1v1=m2v2
Cue ball spin or angular momentum is determined by the distance from centre a ball is struck.
Hence a cue ball struck in the same place (lets say 1.5 tips below center) will generate the same back spin rate from a 20 or 16oz cue. But the 20oz cue will make the cue ball travel faster, hence increasing the width of the arc.
This is why is helps to loosen the grip to hold a tight angle on a draw shot, it effectively reduces the weight of the cue.
I know a lot of these points are argued from different perspectives, but I am not convinced by them. Always an open mind though
Best regards,
blud said:
Your reply to me, showed that your key concern is to attack Larry!
You know because you know, and you know Larry knows nothing because you said it is so.
If this is your evidence of knowledge about ferrule physics then I'm not at all impressed.
billfishhead said:
No reason at all not to use it. I think it has a great hit plus it is pretty and stays clean.
Some will argue durability but mine has been on my cue for about three years now. I rarely take my cue out of the truck so it can see some pretty hot days and big temperature swings here if Florida. I also break with it pretty often but then again I have the break of a 10yr old girl.
fast larry
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Oh Martha, hand me a shovel, a big shovel, it's gettin deep in here now.
Here are the facts, Blud learned how to make cues in the Meucci factory spending 6 months standing there watching Meucci build cues. He went around the country selling the meucci cues until he broke the contract and began building his own.
Mike Sigel spent 6 months in the Meucci factory learning how to make cues from Bob as well. Any body has any problems with that, take it up with Bob, not me.
I play with a Meucci today simply because it provides me with the best performance I can find, no other reason. I am not paid to play with this cue. Not a dime. Therefore my analysis is not biased or paid for, like the people using bluds cue were. Several of them came up winning their first big ones with the Meucci any way until people like Blud offer them money to switch over. Ask Earl, he will tell you this is the facts.
The only thing I can see that is consistent with Blud is I can't believe a thing that guy has ever said. Wall hangers, Jewerly cues, show off my new custom cue I pad 5 times what a decent cue is worth, I just don't get it. You buy a cue for performance, I buy furniture for beauty. Where did this thing get all turned around backwards?
Here are the facts, Blud learned how to make cues in the Meucci factory spending 6 months standing there watching Meucci build cues. He went around the country selling the meucci cues until he broke the contract and began building his own.
Mike Sigel spent 6 months in the Meucci factory learning how to make cues from Bob as well. Any body has any problems with that, take it up with Bob, not me.
I play with a Meucci today simply because it provides me with the best performance I can find, no other reason. I am not paid to play with this cue. Not a dime. Therefore my analysis is not biased or paid for, like the people using bluds cue were. Several of them came up winning their first big ones with the Meucci any way until people like Blud offer them money to switch over. Ask Earl, he will tell you this is the facts.
The only thing I can see that is consistent with Blud is I can't believe a thing that guy has ever said. Wall hangers, Jewerly cues, show off my new custom cue I pad 5 times what a decent cue is worth, I just don't get it. You buy a cue for performance, I buy furniture for beauty. Where did this thing get all turned around backwards?
He plays with a cue with soft plastic collar and soft plastic ferrule ( unthreaded, uncapped and yellow-glued press-fitted).blud said:
ALL cue repair people should thank the maker for giving them a TON of repair business.
The same maker is now importing decal cues and putting his name on it.
fast larry
Banned
Joseph Cues said:He plays with a cue with soft plastic collar and soft plastic ferrule ( unthreaded, uncapped and yellow-glued press-fitted).
ALL cue repair people should thank the maker for giving them a TON of repair business.
The same maker is now importing decal cues and putting his name on it.
He, you mean me, look, I even break with my Meucci. Nobody in pool hits the ball harder than I do or abuses a cue and shaft like I do. I do severe fantasy European Artistic shots with the Meucci. In 5 years of using the cue, I have never had a ferrule or shaft crack or have any problems, zero. I am sending you zero repair business because my Meucci's are holding up just great.
ozmanix said:
They're made from antelope horn. They're white to a light grayish white with smoky, creamy streaks, sometimes peppered with a ginger color. You can't really see any grain in them like you can in ivory, and not the typical streaks. A lot of joints are made from Buckhorn too, but people think they're ivory. They polish up nicely and are hard. The hit is alive, similar to ivory but I would say firmer and a little noisier than ivory.
Chris
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fast larry
Banned
Now we go out and kill bambi or our ferrules, elephant slaughter is not good enough
Blood?
Killing elephants is not politically correct any more, so we instead go shoot bambis dad instead for our ferrules?
ozmanix said:
Blood?
Killing elephants is not politically correct any more, so we instead go shoot bambis dad instead for our ferrules?
fast larry said:Blood?
Killing elephants is not politically correct any more, so we instead go shoot bambis dad instead for our ferrules?
Well, I suppose you could shoot antelope if you were so inclined. Just be careful not to trip over the horns they shed laying on the ground.
Chris
fast larry
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TATE said:
Before I discovered Tibet, I used to be a big game hunter out west. Go try and shoot one of these buggers. They are tough to hunt. A lot of Ivory in cues is really not real elephant ivory, but cow bone, walrus tusk, deer antlers, elk, etc, what ever they can get their hands on.
With the plastic and replications available today, why does any animal have to be shot dead just so you can have a hard as hell ferrule that deflects like a mother and plays like she yit. This is no longer 1960 boys. Yes they are pretty and yes most of my cues from the 60's had them on then. I have them hanging on my walls everywhere. When Ivory cue balls went out, the ferrules should have gone with them. it is virtually the same thing. Neither one worked worth a she yet.
there is a lot of pre ban ivory, so dont be so foolish as to go there,,,,,,,,btw it isnt all that expensive,,,,,,,,Bill
Just from what I heard of Blud's game from Don P, I would bet Blud would LOVE to give Larry 3 balls at one pocket, and Fast Pocoloco/Big Bopper/Whatever he calls himself, wouldn't like it one bit....in fact...wasn't Bludworth a pro player on the tour before he took to making cues? Also, there are a ton of "truly" great players who love ivory ferrules, ivory joints, etc...hmmm..... Larry, I know you are a trick shot whiz kid...but can you run out a table that isn't already set up?
Oops! I can't believe I forgot the greatest player of all time!blud said:
fast larry
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Matt_24 said:
Like I said, every one back then used them, as did all golfers in that same era used wood shafts and hit a mashie niblick and a gerta percha ball. Technology produces new and better things and smart people go with these new inventions. Dumb people hold on to 40 year old out of date technology unless they are selling it to rip people off.
Is 274 in straight enough, or holding the world record at rotation, 75 balls, 5 racks call shot, running 8 racks of both 8 and 9 ball, holding the break record at both 8 and 9 ball, making 8 balls on the snap, running 3 racks of cribbage, running a 10 at 3-cushion, running a century on a english 1925 6x12, yes virginia, Fast can run 3 friggin balls, contrary to what the bozos are telling you. These same bozos on this same board are telling you Minnesota Fats could never run 3 balls either, so just consider the source.
Could Blud give me 3 and out at one pocket, sure, I have never played that game, it is for losers who cant run balls at straight pool and want a gimmick game to hide their weak skills. Have a nice day, you all start another ivory ferrule thread again soon, your doing really great on this one so far, he who laughs last, laughts best bozos.
This is serious, I would like to buy some Ivory pool cue balls, I am sure you guys have some, want to unload them? If so email me. You are just cutting them up any way for ferrules, I will actually do masses with them.
May God bless and peace be with you. May the wind be always on your back and all 9 balls fall. VENI VIDI VICI, OMNIA VINCIT AMOR. Latin for “I came, I saw, I conquered, love conquerors all. Yes I really did do it all and you can believe it, or not. If you don’t believe it, C’est La Vie. A prophet is not recognized in his own land. Rack em sausage, Go play fast and loose. In time, it’s all dust in the wind anyway.
blud
Hi Matt 24, yes, I played on the tour. Damn near went broke doing it. Quite playing and I started re-pairing cues. I started re-pairing cues way back and finished in the money every week and never hit a ball. Most of the time I finished 1st,2nd, and 3rd place money each week. When 1st thru 3rd was not but about $1,800.00 to maybe $2,000.00, I was clocking about $1,800.00 per-week. Never was a world champion, didn't claim to be. Play Larry pool, would not waist my time.
To Ted Harris, many more are trying to do what we [me and you] can do. tell the wife hello. see you at VF........
god bless
blud
Matt_24 said:
Hi Matt 24, yes, I played on the tour. Damn near went broke doing it. Quite playing and I started re-pairing cues. I started re-pairing cues way back and finished in the money every week and never hit a ball. Most of the time I finished 1st,2nd, and 3rd place money each week. When 1st thru 3rd was not but about $1,800.00 to maybe $2,000.00, I was clocking about $1,800.00 per-week. Never was a world champion, didn't claim to be. Play Larry pool, would not waist my time.
To Ted Harris, many more are trying to do what we [me and you] can do. tell the wife hello. see you at VF........
god bless
blud
fast larry
Banned
billfishhead said:
So pre ban is Ok, the Elephant just walked up and said take my tooth, its pre ban and its Ok. A native shot him in the head with an ak47, then chopped his tusk out with a macette and left his giant body to rot in the sun. He dies so you could have a F**kin ferrule that can be shiny and clean because you are too stupid to know how to chalk correctly. 15,000 elephants were killed in Africa alone at the turn of the century, 10,000 in India, just for the billiard trade. Running around with an Ivory ferrule today is about as politically correct as having your girlfriend show up at the oscars party in a Mink coat.
A living thing died that did not need to die for your ferrule. You stop that killing by stop using any product that causes the killing. When the demand stops, the killing stops.
Use a senthetic ferrule, save a living animal and feel good about it. Save the elephants and the walrus and any tusk animal. Those pushing and selling Ivory like Blud and his dealers and pals are as I see it, Merchants of death.
Have a nice day, yes I did go there, you knew I would, now come for me bozo.
May God bless and peace be with you. May the wind be always on your back and all 9 balls fall. VENI VIDI VICI, OMNIA VINCIT AMOR. Latin for “I came, I saw, I conquered, love conquerors all. Yes I really did do it all and you can believe it, or not. If you don’t believe it, C’est La Vie. A prophet is not recognized in his own land. Rack em sausage, Go play fast and loose. In time, it’s all dust in the wind anyway.
fast larry said:
Actually its pretty common knowledge that Mike spent much time in Danny Janes shop. He has acknowledged that fact many times, in many publications. Not once have I ever seen it written, or spoken, that he ever spent time with Bob Meucci. His cues certainly don't reflect any Meucci traits, thats for sure.
Joe