Ivory Joint, Need your advise

cbi1000

cbi1000

It is what it is...
Silver Member
So i'm having a ebony and ivory cue built, and it will have a ivory joint. My only issue is what ivory joint type should i get.

Solid ivory: I have hit a couple cues with a solid ivory joint and really didn't care for them.

Ivory sleeve: I have owned one ivory sleeved cue. It was a McDaniel. Ivory over phenelic 5/16 14 i believe. It was still a bit too soft for me.

Ivory and SS: I have never played with this combo. I've seen two cues with this type of combination; Black Boar and Tascarella. It seems they have two different styles. I have never seem them up close but BB looks like piloted ivory 5/16 14 with a ss top and Tascarella uses a ivory sleeve over ss piloted 5/16 14.

I generally like wood to wood cues but i'm starting to want a little harder hit, but SS joints still seem to hit too hard.

So, my question is how do the bb and Tascarella's ivory joints play? Do they play soft like pure ivory joints? Do they play like SS with the look of ivory? How to they compare to McDaniel's ivory joint? Any info would help me out, thanks!
 
Not much help here. My pref is solid flat faced solid ivory. It will play dif than a piloted ivory in case that's what you tried before.
As far as sleeved ivory cues, they never felt good to me. Also, I would ask one why bother with sleeved ivory other than asthetics, as it plays aboslutely nothing like solid ivory. Sorry not of more help.
 
everyone has a different idea of hit.

and ss/ivory combo, which i've never heard of before, makes zero sense to me unless the idea is to give the player some "feel" options because from a playing standpoint,,,what's the big deal. ss virtually negates any reason for ivory.

one option you have not mentioned is an ss sleeve on a flatface joint. this might be a good move. you retain the feel of the hit that a piloted ss deadens, there's a nice spring to the hit, and it's certainly a harder hit than an ivory sleeve. josswest put the ss sleeve over a phenolic sleeve on my jw, which also made no sense to me.

so i would think about an ss sleeve on a flatface with no phenolic sleeve underneath.

another factor to consider is the WEIGHT of your cue, but it sounds like you're already very tuned into your cue's hit. i have two ss sleeved cues...one is a 19+oz josswest. the other is a light 18oz craig peterson. the jw has the phenolic/ss combo sleeve and the ss sleeve is about 1/16" thick and 3/32" exposed wood. it has a nice tangy hit with some muscle(the weight + ss mainly i suppose) and slightly less sharp than it could have been because of the phenolic(imo). the peterson is VERY SPECIAL :):):). EVERYONE loves that hit. though a very light 18, it packs a nice unexpected wallop for such a light cue with a concomitant springiness you'd expect from an 18oz'er. the reason?,,,imo because it has a 1/8" ss sleeve and no phenolic sleeve, but it also has a thinner 1/8" exposed wood. so while springy(action of the cue), the peterson doesn't have sting(feel of the hit) of the jw.

so your options in an ss sleeve would be....
1...ss sleeve, no phenolic undersleeve
2...ss sleeve WITH phenolic undersleeve
3...amount of exposed wood



aside from the fact that it's a peterson, the 18 oz'er has a hit 10x better than the jw!!!
 
Last edited:
Solid Ivory joint has a big pin,if you like big pin thats the way to go. You might try an Ivory half joint,it may be your answer.
 
cbi1000 said:
So i'm having a ebony and ivory cue built, and it will have a ivory joint. My only issue is what ivory joint type should i get.

Solid ivory: I have hit a couple cues with a solid ivory joint and really didn't care for them.

Ivory sleeve: I have owned one ivory sleeved cue. It was a McDaniel. Ivory over phenelic 5/16 14 i believe. It was still a bit too soft for me.

Ivory and SS: I have never played with this combo. I've seen two cues with this type of combination; Black Boar and Tascarella. It seems they have two different styles. I have never seem them up close but BB looks like piloted ivory 5/16 14 with a ss top and Tascarella uses a ivory sleeve over ss piloted 5/16 14.

I generally like wood to wood cues but i'm starting to want a little harder hit, but SS joints still seem to hit too hard.

So, my question is how do the bb and Tascarella's ivory joints play? Do they play soft like pure ivory joints? Do they play like SS with the look of ivory? How to they compare to McDaniel's ivory joint? Any info would help me out, thanks!
Click to expand...

You say that you're having a cue built, and that it WILL have an ivory joint. Then you say that you haven't liked any type of an ivory joint that you've played with, or something similar. I don't mean to be critical, but rather helpful. I'm totally objective so here goes.

I came back to pool this year after 25 years away. I've tried an ungodly number of cues this year, and shafts too. Prior to my long break, all I played with were SS piloted joints and house cues. Now I've tried dozens of cues with different joints. Everything that you can think of. I've found that I like flat faced wood to wood joints with a large pin like a radial or a 3/8 X 10. Some think that these are soft but to me they feel most like a one piece cue. I like the feedback. You may not, but you need to identify exactly what you DO like, and there's no better way than to try a lot of cues. Be brave. Ask total strangers if you can hit a few balls with their cues. Most will be proud that you want to hit with their cue and be happy to let you !

Last but not least, I have a Dayton cue that has a short ivory sleeve over wood. It has a radial pin and a wood to wood joint. It hits far differently than my flat faced ivory Jensen cue with a radial pin, but I like them both. The tip and the ferrule also make a HUGE difference, and those subtle changes are not to be overlooked. I can't stress this enough. A Triangle will play way different than a Talisman, or a a Moori, and again, those will all play differently on an ivory ferrule with a stiff parabolic or conical shaft as opposed to a pro taper. SOOOOO many combinations ! You have to decide what you prefer, not what others like...Tom
 
just reread and saw you want an ivory joint...now i understand your ivory/ss joint. you want a hard hit but don't like the cosmetic look of the ss?
 
as mentioned, Pete T. sleeves ivory over stainless and the cues that i've used with that configuration played very.... "stainless like" , for lack of a better word. i think another benefit to doing this is it may prohibit the ivory from cracking over a long time of use.
 
i like steel joints period, they dont look great but i can live with that, SW's are the only exception.
 
Fatboy said:
i like steel joints period, they dont look great but i can live with that, SW's are the only exception.
Click to expand...


Just shows you how folks like different things!!!!!

I don't like SS jointed cues at all, and I have hit with alot of them.

And, then there's the look of the SS joint, I hate it!!!!

JMO

Russ......
 
joint

yes, i want the look of ivory but would like a harder hit. That is why i'm asking about how some ivory sleeve joints types hit.

thanks everyone for your help.
 
Fatboy said:
i like steel joints period, they dont look great but
Click to expand...



poolhustler said:
And, then there's the look of the SS joint, I hate it!!!!

JMO

Russ......
Click to expand...


i happen to think just the opposite. to me a well executed and highly polished stainless joint is the NUTZ!! i will say that something has always turned me off about cues with sleeved stainless joints though. even though you cant tell the difference from the appearance when assembled, theres just something about knowing that it's not a traditionaly piloted joint that gives me the creeps.
 
cbi1000 said:
yes, i want the look of ivory but would like a harder hit. That is why i'm asking about how some ivory sleeve joints types hit.

thanks everyone for your help.
Click to expand...

i'm with you on the look of a ss/ebony. i don't like it myself. if ivory is not hard enough, and ss inside/ivory outside is the only solution, my only suggestion is that you vary the exposed thicknesses of the three materials,,,1-ss sleeve, 2-ivory sleeve, 3-wood. it is probably something no one has actually experimented with and something that only YOU can determine for yourself anyway.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top