Can't wait to get mine from Jim:wink:
Ivory Substitute
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The figure or grain doesn't go all the way through material .
I am using a live cutter to cut mine .
The material seem pretty hard .
You can see the grain doesn't run all the way through the material .
It doesn't match Ivory ................
In other words if you had a broken ivory joint , this fake ivory will not match the color of natural ivory used other places in the cue.
I am using a live cutter to cut mine .
The material seem pretty hard .
You can see the grain doesn't run all the way through the material .
It doesn't match Ivory ................
In other words if you had a broken ivory joint , this fake ivory will not match the color of natural ivory used other places in the cue.
Mike that is Very cool , but what the hell is it .
Pipe
Pretty sure its a pot pipe, least it hits like one
A customers wife wanted a custom pipe made that matches her husbands pool cue.
I have been making native American pipes and flutes for a few years .
Pretty sure its a pot pipe, least it hits like one
A customers wife wanted a custom pipe made that matches her husbands pool cue.
I have been making native American pipes and flutes for a few years .
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Bigredford4me
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Mike, that is really neat!
Pipe
Thanks .
I like making pipes because I can make them different shapes ( No rule )
Thanks .
I like making pipes because I can make them different shapes ( No rule )
-The figure or grain doesn't go all the way through material .
I am using a live cutter to cut mine .
The material seem pretty hard .
You can see the grain doesn't run all the way through the material .
It doesn't match Ivory ................
In other words if you had a broken ivory joint , this fake ivory will not match the color of natural ivory used other places in the cue.
The trick I used to get full grain in the piece is to use the larger size rod and cut the desired section of the grain pattern your after. It cost more and there is much more time and waste in this process but if it's the full grain look your after it can be accomplished.
Rob.M
fake Ivory
Hi Rob
I never thought of that.
You made a butt sleeve that has figure or grain going all the way around it ?
When I bought mine I was under the impression it was figured all the way through .
Why don't they just make it full grain from the factory......
Not displeased but surprised the pieces didn't have the grain running all the way through them .
Hi Rob
I never thought of that.
You made a butt sleeve that has figure or grain going all the way around it ?
When I bought mine I was under the impression it was figured all the way through .
Why don't they just make it full grain from the factory......
Not displeased but surprised the pieces didn't have the grain running all the way through them .
Unfortunately, I thought the same & hope full grain. But it has technical restriction, it's the way it comes.
But we had a Arvorin PLUS pattern which have grain looks like net, it's equal view from different side. but cost is an issue, it's around 3 times than Arvorin. That's why I haven't introduce yet.
I may buy few samples to show you guys later.
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I have some of the prototype MKII arvorin, I will make a set of JP's and show it. It's way scary beautiful stuff. Let me go try to find where I had it...:grin-square:
Here's a cue I was messing around with,replaced a joint and butcap with arvorin. She likes it'
Can't see the grain in the first pic to well but it's there.
Rob.M
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Arvorin
That's what I thought too, the more I thought about my reply when writing it the more I thought I bet you hoping the grain to run all the way through it to.
Then I had to laugh a little, and say Its still looks good. why not use it.
One of those why not moments .
My pipes break when they get dropped on the ends if I use wood .
I needed something that will not shatter or crack and would look really good .
I have a couple of drawers filled with acrylic, and used the Arvorin I got from you over all the other materials I have.
Figured a good chance of you reading my reply .
Hoping you were the maker or factory linked to where some could be made with the pattern going all the way through the Arvorin .
I still plan on making a cue using Arvorin at the ferrule joint and butt cap
and will need to get some for the butt cap .
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That's what I thought too, the more I thought about my reply when writing it the more I thought I bet you hoping the grain to run all the way through it to.
Then I had to laugh a little, and say Its still looks good. why not use it.
One of those why not moments .
My pipes break when they get dropped on the ends if I use wood .
I needed something that will not shatter or crack and would look really good .
I have a couple of drawers filled with acrylic, and used the Arvorin I got from you over all the other materials I have.
Figured a good chance of you reading my reply .
Hoping you were the maker or factory linked to where some could be made with the pattern going all the way through the Arvorin .
I still plan on making a cue using Arvorin at the ferrule joint and butt cap
and will need to get some for the butt cap .
.
Arvorin mark2
This is the prototype arvorin that was not released due to some issues, it's darker in color and the grain is beautiful and throughout.
Perhaps we can figure something out to bring it to the market.
ITS NOT CHEAP AT ALL.
Better pic later. Been working in the shop at night/trying to avoid the heat of the daytime sun.
Rob.M
This is the prototype arvorin that was not released due to some issues, it's darker in color and the grain is beautiful and throughout.
Perhaps we can figure something out to bring it to the market.
ITS NOT CHEAP AT ALL.
Better pic later. Been working in the shop at night/trying to avoid the heat of the daytime sun.
Rob.M
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That looks good
That looks good to me.
This is the prototype arvorin that was not released due to some issues, it's darker in color and the grain is beautiful and throughout.
Perhaps we can figure something out to bring it to the market.
ITS NOT CHEAP AT ALL.
Better pic later. Been working in the shop at night/trying to avoid the heat of the daytime sun.
Rob.M
That looks good to me.
"Damn The Expense.......Full Speed Ahead Mates."
Someone mentioned "cost" ......well, how much can it be?
Accept that the future of ivory is in question nationally.
In CA at the present, ivory has "no" future whatsoever.
So if you were a CA cue-maker, or any cue-maker, and
wanted a substitute material for something you can't use,
it really becomes "damn the expense" & just use or get it.
This material looks so much better than what's available
and I hope there's expanded use of it for ferrules & joints.
I mention those specifically since that's where ivory really
distinguishes itself and creates a different feel & acoustics.
Both of those are key reasons why ivory is so popular but
since it's a bleak outlook for ivory, we sure need a good
alternative/substitute for cues which so far hasn't happened.
Matt B.
Someone mentioned "cost" ......well, how much can it be?
Accept that the future of ivory is in question nationally.
In CA at the present, ivory has "no" future whatsoever.
So if you were a CA cue-maker, or any cue-maker, and
wanted a substitute material for something you can't use,
it really becomes "damn the expense" & just use or get it.
This material looks so much better than what's available
and I hope there's expanded use of it for ferrules & joints.
I mention those specifically since that's where ivory really
distinguishes itself and creates a different feel & acoustics.
Both of those are key reasons why ivory is so popular but
since it's a bleak outlook for ivory, we sure need a good
alternative/substitute for cues which so far hasn't happened.
Matt B.
This stuff was less expensive than most of the ferrule & joint material I've purchased.
We will see how it compares, but right now I'm a little skeptical.
Ferrule
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I will put some arvoin2 on a ferrule tonight. We've got three formulas that we've worked with. Arvorin 1,arvorin 2 and a arvorin plus that's in the works.
I've got arvorin 1 on a break cue and I'll put arvorin 2 on a playing cue <~ I'll try to get it done tonight.
I'll respond with follow up.
Rob.M
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I will put some arvoin2 on a ferrule tonight. We've got three formulas that we've worked with. Arvorin 1,arvorin 2 and a arvorin plus that's in the works.
I've got arvorin 1 on a break cue and I'll put arvorin 2 on a playing cue <~ I'll try to get it done tonight.
I'll respond with follow up.
Rob.M
I'm curious...if an ivory substitute is found that convincingly looks like ivory...how will you prove it's not ivory if it is every questioned? As I understand it there isn't really a great way to test it without taking a sample from the cue which sounds at least mildly destructive.
Sounds like it would be just as risky as far as damage to your property goes as having real ivory, though the end consequences would be a lot better since you'd be found innocent of any violation in the end.
Sounds like it would be just as risky as far as damage to your property goes as having real ivory, though the end consequences would be a lot better since you'd be found innocent of any violation in the end.
I need to go up and check my mail, maybe it will be here today.
Keep us posted
Thanks