Ivory vs. stainless steel

bruin70 said:
??????????? are you claining that mcchecney test to be definitive?????!!!! geeeez

that "test" proved nothing.
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no im sure it doesnt , but then again i also notice the value in a test compared to an opinion...... geeeeez
 
JoeyInCali said:
Why are you cussing whatever your name is?
You mean a piloted stainless steel joint that weighs 45 grams/ 1.5 oz cannot be felt before you even hit a ball?
Yeah, Purdy and I weren't there. You were, I hope you had a lovely time.
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i hope your not implying you can feel the individual weights of of the seperate components are you???

if so ill have to offer a jimbo challenge like ill tape the joints on 10 cues and ill bet the farm you cannot tell 10 out of 10 just by feeling it ?

oh and just like you said " before you even hit a ball "
 
JoeyInCali said:
You mean merry fu&#in' lane got cantankerous for nothing?
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i love how you rely more on opinions then tests, not to mention that had nothing to do with my cantankerous attitude, it was the post i commented on.
 
mad-mat said:
I got curious and made that test.
Luckily I have 3 Novas that are all weighted the same (and the VH/NovaHybrid but that one doesn't count)

Went to the hall and asked a guy that doesn't now about my Novas :) if he would make a test and make somne shots blindfolded and tell what he feels. (I did not give him any info about Ivory vs. SS joint bla,bla).

I thought this would be a good way to test, as I always can use the same shaft on the different butts, so there is no differnet feel by different tips or tapers, etc..

I first gave him a SS jointed one, his answer: "hm, nice, little bit softer than mine" (he plays a late 80ies Joss)
then again a SS one but different Butt: "why do you give me the same cue ??" (aha, LOL)
then: the Ivory jointed one(piloted massive joint, not sleeved): his answer: "softer, still very direct, more feeling - what is that plastic joint??" (errg, i didn't want to hear that !!)
back to SS jointed one: " same cue as before"

then we solved the riddle for him and showed him the cues he was trying and explained the test.
Being curious what would happen next we blinfolded him again and told him now about to decide whether he was shooting with an ivory or SS joint.

my VerlHorn-Nova with SS joint was considered an Ivory joint without any doubts
Prather with phenolic was considered Ivory joint
Arthur cue with ivory joint he thought to be a steel joint
My Verl-Horn Nova again but with another shaft, this time SSJOINT - !! :)
his own joss. SS Joint (not very difficult)
another joss he couldn't decide

So finally I think already the knowledge about what this test is about does alter the results a lot
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its good to see someone taking a scientific approach.
 
dooziexx said:
I think this thread has taken a slight detour...I too live in the Chicagoland area, Aurora actually. If you like to meet, I can bring some cues of different joints so that you can test them out. Ivory, wood to wood and ss joint. The difference is all in the feedback/feel being passed back..Wood to wood passed back the most feedback while ss absorbs it all at the joint.. Ivory is in the middle, will absorb some and passes the rest.. Thats the easiest most common way to describe it.. They also sound different too especially ivory..
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i would think this "feedback" your refering to is the shockwave? and i have a feeling ss is a beter conducter than wood or ivory?

maybee we could get fred involved?
 
JimBo said:

I'm saying the test proved that it's not easy to tell or even guess what the joint was made of. I think a test proves more then us talking shit here without any proof, so his study proves more then you or I babbling. I'd also agree that just because people were good pool players wouldn't mean they had a vast knowledge of cues, but we need to poll pool players because if we did it with people who have never hit with a cue we'd get a worse result. Point isn't if there is a difference between the two, my point is there are other things you can do to cues to change the feel and hit that would fool people and I have certain cues that I know for a fact people would get wrong. Now if you throw in other joints then you have no chance in hell.

Jim
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omy god jimbo my chest hurts and i have a burning sensation shooting down my left arm...... please just got back to your meanspirited demeaning posts please.
 
JimBo said:
What good would that do? Fred is a moron.

Jim
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gee jimbo no takers on the bet?

and i understand thats your opinion but remember alot of people respect him.
 
JimBo said:
They must not know him like I do.

Jim
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oh..... oohhhhhh

gee i wander what happend to all the action on this one, maybee theres alot of tests going on, hopefully theyl learn sumptin more than an opinion.
 
merylane said:
oh..... oohhhhhh

gee i wander what happend to all the action on this one, maybee theres alot of tests going on, hopefully theyl learn sumptin more than an opinion.
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Sorry to interrupt this thread late, but just found it doing a search on "SS vs ivory". Like the original poster, I was curious which was preferred by you guys, and what your opinions were on the differences (I'm also curious about wood-to-wood).

I have been using SS joint cues, and recently picked up an ivory-joint cue by the same manufacturer as my SS playing cue. The ivory-joint cue "felt" better, but I wasn't sure why - as others have pointed out, senses are intertwined, so it's tough to tell if I liked the new cue for other reasons (aesthetic, leather grip, etc.).

As Jimbo and I have discussed :), I recently sent the ivory-joint cue back to the maker, and am now playing with the SS-joint cue again, same maker, same cue weight, both joints piloted, even the same ivory-ferrule shaft. At first it "seemed" like the steel joint didn't feel as "good", but after a few games I felt like I was playing with the same stick.
 
Ivories do break.
That's why I go to the trouble of buying and making these stags.
They make you runout more often too. I swear. :D :p
 

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JoeyInCali said:
Ivories do break.
That's why I go to the trouble of buying and making these stags.
They make you runout more often too. I swear. :D :p
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That's my favorite joint right there. Ferrules too. Put a nice solid shaft on it and there's a great combination. Maybe not as pretty as ivory, but a lot stronger.

Chris
 
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