Jax payout

chipperd said:
The entry was $100, if you signed up when you got there, and 10 dollars cheaper if you called ahead of time, but there wasn't many of early entries. I know they paid a quarter of the field, but they still took out a third of the money.


Hope you read the link I included in my first post here about the 1st one 3 years ago..

Nothing seems to have changed and I never went to another after that.. Most likely it will not change until players quit going.. But that might not change it either. hah
 
Money

Black-Balled said:
I gotalotta wrong with me, but it isn't seen here on AZB!

Prize money is just like any other choice- take it or not, things can always be better or worse, etc...

I am torn- I like $, but know tours do not exist to provide financial support to the top 4% of finishers- they are businesses that must support themselves and continually grow...

I have heard lots of complaints the past few years from folks who have done the (entry-fee+added money/ payout) math. See prior paragraph.
I understand, but I have played in weekly handicap tournaments where first place paid around a thousand dollars. This is a US Open tournament.
 
chipperd said:
You are exactly right. I played the florida amatuer tour, and realized instanly they were robbing the pots, I could even pay my expenses for a first place finish. Please let me know when Hollywood billiards is having another event like you mentioned, and I will be more than happy to play in it.

Our next event is Aug. 31-Sept. 1, Eight Ball. Unfortunately this is the Hollywood Billiards in Hollywood, California. If you come all the way out here to play from Florida, I may pay your entry fee myself. :)
 
My bad!

jay helfert said:
Our next event is Aug. 31-Sept. 1, Eight Ball. Unfortunately this is the Hollywood Billiards in Hollywood, California. If you come all the way out here to play from Florida, I may pay your entry fee myself. :)
Wups, there is a Hollywood Billiards in Florida also, but thanks for the invite! I may have to take you up on that! Now if I can get Delta airlines and the Holiday Inn to sponsor me, we got action!
 
jay helfert said:
For instance I'm aware of one such event where many hundreds of players pay a $75 entry fee and the first prize is always $5,000 and second usually about $2,000. Total pay out is in the neighborhood of $25,000 when well over double that was collected in entry fees.
LOL...Valley Forge, perhaps?
 
Try Lexington, SC, Aug 15, 16, & 17.

How about attending the 9 Ball tournament at Grady's? You'll be able to see where every penny goes. Niels Feijen will be here and I'm sure you'll enjoy getting to meet this fine young player from Holland.
Our hearts break at reading these stories about the terrible equipment and horrendous prize money you've encountered. We hereby commit to doing at least four amateur tournaments in 2009 with 100% payback of the entry fees. For the first year, we probably won't be able to have added money but we certainly won't gouge the entry fees.
We have Diamond Smart tables, 4 1/2 x 9, with Simonis Cloth and Aramith balls. There's plenty of room around each table and we do our best to treat each and every one of you as honored guests.
 
Everyone just uses the entry fees to determinie if the tournament is a rip off, that the promotor took too much of the money. What does anyone know about the 'sponsorship deals' of these events? You can bet that Predator put some bucks into the fund and other sponsors too. Granted many sponsor deals are cash free but some are NOT.
 
chipperd said:
You are exactly right. I played the florida amatuer tour, and realized instanly they were robbing the pots, I could even pay my expenses for a first place finish. Please let me know when Hollywood billiards is having another event like you mentioned, and I will be more than happy to play in it.

.............edited. gonna stop being negative here. it is what it is...pool in the USA is brutal tough
 
chipperd said:
First was 1600 and some change, second was about 700, third was 450. And then it just kept droping off. I got seventh and won 200. There was only $100 difference between seventh and 24th!

7th place? Maybe if you tried to use the correct hand when you play you might have placed 1-3. Lefties.... :D
 
uwate said:
So what were the payouts? did you see to what level did the tournament payout to? any specific numbers?


It paid to 24th place. 17-24th was $100 dollars. I dont remember the rest.

My biggest complaint (besides the money) was that on Friday I play 1 match and win. Come back sat at 12pm play 1 match and win. Then I wait until 8pm to play 1 match and lose.
Now I have to come back on Sunday and win 2 more matches to get in the money, which I did, but that is not the way to run a tournament.
It was definitely my last year at this event.
 
Grady said:
How about attending the 9 Ball tournament at Grady's? You'll be able to see where every penny goes. Niels Feijen will be here and I'm sure you'll enjoy getting to meet this fine young player from Holland.
Our hearts break at reading these stories about the terrible equipment and horrendous prize money you've encountered. We hereby commit to doing at least four amateur tournaments in 2009 with 100% payback of the entry fees. For the first year, we probably won't be able to have added money but we certainly won't gouge the entry fees.
We have Diamond Smart tables, 4 1/2 x 9, with Simonis Cloth and Aramith balls. There's plenty of room around each table and we do our best to treat each and every one of you as honored guests.

Grady has always been fair about his pay outs to the best of my knowledge. You always know what he is taking in reg. fees. In this case, putting 100% of the entry fee money into the purse is a very good deal. That's just like adding money, when it comes down to it. Plus nice equipment to play on. This is all you can ask for as a player. Of course, inexpensive lodging is a nice plus too.
 
As I posted elsewhere, the event staff did a GREAT job under combat conditions. That's the good news....and the rest is not so good.

I have no comment on the prize money payouts because that is not why I entered.

But the tables for the amateur event were utterly unacceptable. The cloth was in poor condition at best and the cushions were VERY erratic. Those players with the more advanced banking/kicking skills had that advantage almost completely extinguished because the departure angles were all over the place.

And there was very little time to try to "calibrate" each table to be played on. In fact, practice time...and therefore the "greens fee" component of the entry fee was a joke since it was virtually impossible to get any practice time with the excessive number of different events going on at the same time.

Many of us drove a couple of miles to another room...Que Balls...which has new Brunswicks, to warm up.

I realize that it is increasingly difficult to find rooms large enough to accommodate large events and that renting ballrooms and having tables installed is often too expensive for regional events but there should be some MINIMUM STANDARD of table quality for any room to qualify for a reputable regional tour event.

This place fell WAY below any reasonable minimum standard.

I also have to chime in...at the risk of getting smokers mad at me...but any event that includes Juniors...some of whom were 12-14 years old...should NOT permit smoking.

One GREAT young player whose name I won't mention told me that his chest felt "heavy and painful" to the point that it actually scared him.

The fact that smoking was "restricted" to the bar area was a joke. The bar area is an open space in the middle of the hall where 50 people minimum at a time were smoking...including cigars...within 10 feet of the tables where CHILDREN were playing.

I doubt very serious whether such smoking was in compliance with Florida law which bans smoking in establishments that get more than 10% of their revenue from food sales...but that isn't the issue. The issue is that, regardless of the law, smoking should not be permitted where children are present.

Finally, as I have noted before, there should not be a single event that includes at least 8 different torunaments. I'm sure that the business plan was created to intentionally maximize player turnout and to obtain multiple entry fees from the same players.

That's OK, in and of itself...such as at the DCC...BUT...the DCC is conducted in total space about 10 times larger than the pool hall in question AND SMOKING WAS BANNED ANYWHERE IN THE BUILDING.

I was a smoker for most of my life and it didn't bother me to have to step outside to smoke. I did so out of courtesy to others long before there were any anti-smoking laws. And I didn't see any attendance problems at the last DCC or anyone going into convulsions because they had to smoke outside!

So, while I'm fundamentally supportive of all the regional tours and admire all the HARD WORK that the promoters do, this event fell well below what I consider to be accpetable minimum standards from almost all points of view...EXCEPT...the work provided by event staff on site, which was admirable.

Charlie...with all due respect...you owe the competitive pool players a better environment than you gave them. If you can't find a decent venue, don't do the event.

Regards,
Jim
 
I spoke with a buddy who went to the event. He cashed 17-24th, got back his entry and a few bucks ($100 total) and he promptly donated that cnote to SVB playing Shane some even up sets of races to 5 for 25.

My buddy told me a few things that I'll pass on here. First, that 16year old German kid who ran 150 and out in the 14.1 event snapped off the Junior event and the Open event. They also played the junior event on the 9ft tables, whereas the Open event and the Senior event was played on pretty bad 8ft tables.
 
There was a green's fee AND they took out 1/3 of the money too? Hunh?
 
there was another tournment there in Jax about a year ago a friend went to, he said they were the worst tables he ever saw, Gabe or saomeone he said was hill/hill and he tried to slow roll the 8 in the side and the ball just stopped no rail-he lost, I cant remember who it was but it cost him 1st place as i remember. my friend said the table were so slow and wet they were the worst he ever saw, Last year, I dont know if this is the same tournment a year later, I cant remember, I just remember Jax
 
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uwate said:
I spoke with a buddy who went to the event. He cashed 17-24th, got back his entry and a few bucks ($100 total) and he promptly donated that cnote to SVB playing Shane some even up sets of races to 5 for 25.
Good for him! A value shopper, for sure!!

uwate said:
that 16year old German kid who ran 150 and out in the 14.1 event snapped off the Junior event and the Open event. They also played the junior event on the 9ft tables, whereas the Open event and the Senior event was played on pretty bad 8ft tables.
Give that boy some pu$$Y! QUICK!!!!!!
 
uwate said:
There was a green's fee AND they took out 1/3 of the money too? Hunh?

No. The "green fee" was part of the entry fee...not an extra charge. The problem was that there was very little, if any, time to practice because there were so many events taking place that the tables where in use nearly 100% of the time.

You had to "watch the pennies move" and POUNCE on a table as soon as the final 9 Ball dropped...and then you got in 10 shots before the next match players showed up to play.

Regards,
Jim
 
uwate said:
I spoke with a buddy who went to the event. He cashed 17-24th, got back his entry and a few bucks ($100 total) and he promptly donated that cnote to SVB playing Shane some even up sets of races to 5 for 25.

My buddy told me a few things that I'll pass on here. First, that 16year old German kid who ran 150 and out in the 14.1 event snapped off the Junior event and the Open event. They also played the junior event on the 9ft tables, whereas the Open event and the Senior event was played on pretty bad 8ft tables.

This guy is an Amateaur? Give me a break!:rolleyes:
 
Everyone's an amateur, until they're not.

My guess is this kid won't be playing any more amateur events after his recent performance.
 
Jim,

I agree with your asessment of the tournament 100%. By the way, are you the gentleman JoeyA introduced me to? If so, it was a pleasure meeting you sir!

Regards,

Randy
 
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