Jay Helfert - The "Million Dollar" Tournament Director $peaks Out on Earl Strickland

[one stroke]

Yes, speeding up any game is not a good idea, and pool is the "sample example".

Many don't "real eyes" that tennis made the balls bigger/heavier to SLOW the game down because the serves were getting to fast and it threatened the integrity of the game.

Too bad pool went the other way and sped up conditions when they should have been slowing them down.

If you notice at Wimbledon they don't even "serve and volley" on the grass surfaces anymore. It used to be there would be a "track" between the service line and the net, but not anymore, the players stay back and hit groundstrokes because the ball is slower and the returner has too much extra time to hit a "passing shot".

'The Games are the Teacher'

Tennis is still faster today than it was yrs ago back in the serve and volley days and if player try to get to the net in today's tennis they get one smoked right by them

Baseball football basketball and hockey have all made rules to speed up the game even golf has slow play rules ,,
So I don't have any clue why anyone would think slower is better the whole reason 9 ball was invented in the first place was to speed the game up to make it more viewer friendly
If you want a slow game play one pocket


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[CJ Wiley]

speed of the cloth,

Tennis is still faster today than it was yrs ago back in the serve and volley days and if player try to get to the net in today's tennis they get one smoked right by them

Baseball football basketball and hockey have all made rules to speed up the game even golf has slow play rules ,,
So I don't have any clue why anyone would think slower is better the whole reason 9 ball was invented in the first place was to speed the game up to make it more viewer friendly
If you want a slow game play one pocket
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We're talking about the speed of the cloth, not the speed of the game.....maybe we just need more "targets on the table". LoL

 

[one stroke]

We're talking about the speed of the cloth, not the speed of the game.....maybe we just need more "targets on the table". LoL

It's a equalizer to the tighter pockets and deeper shelf of a diamond easier to get around harder to pocket balls


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[CJ Wiley]

Christian Audigier Jackets.

but it's back in style!!!!

That's for sure, and so are Christian Audigier Jackets.

 

[CJ Wiley]

you could hear the back of the pocket being hit on those GOLD CROWNS

I've seen some great matches when two foul is played by top players and some dogfights when the caliber of play is of average ability or below. I really agree that the super fast cloth has not been good for the game. I had a hiatus for twenty years and got back into it a few years ago. The biggest change I saw was the speed of the tables and how it watered down the challenge of moving the cue ball around the table. Stroking the cue ball gave way to bunting balls around the table.

Best,
Mike

Yes, the "bunting style" isn't that appealing to me. You can clearly see this style dominating the DCC this year, it really limits the shotmaking and power stoking. I guess some people may like it, but I can't imagine why if you've seen the difference.

Today's not like when Buddy Hall, Mike Sigel, Miz, and Earl used to get in stroke - you could hear the back of the pocket being hit on those GOLD CROWNS on the other side of the pool room.

 

[ironman]

That would be boring to play the game like you describe, and you really couldn't against a champion caliber player....they understand the art of the "two way shot".

Pool lacks the "Dare!!!" or "Challenge!!" of other sports, and even poker is a great example of wanting to see the "ALL IN" situation (that could be a bluff).

Pool has these components, but no one has figured out how to bring it out....until now

I dont get it, the pushout is the dare. and is a great prectoer against ucky rolls and being shit hooked. Entirely too much luck in tha aer today Kje ge saudm Texas Express set the game back 20 years. IF the gqame had grown with it, I could understand it.

 

[SCCues]

Don't worry gang, I burned that shirt!

It's not that bad Jay. I wish I knew 1/10 as much as you do about pool and the history of the game.

 

[CJ Wiley]

the very element that pool lacks that ALL other sports utilize to the fullest.

That would be boring to play the game like you describe, and you really couldn't against a champion caliber player....they understand the art of the "two way shot".

Pool lacks the "Dare!!!" or "Challenge!!" of other sports, and even poker is a great example of wanting to see the "ALL IN" situation (that could be a bluff).

Pool has these components, but no one has figured out how to bring it out....until now

I dont get it, the pushout is the dare. and is a great prectoer against ucky rolls and being shit hooked. Entirely too much luck in tha aer today Kje ge saudm Texas Express set the game back 20 years. IF the gqame had grown with it, I could understand it.

Yes, indeed, the "Push Out" creates the "Dare"......the "Challenge".....the "All or Nothing".....the very element that pool lacks that ALL other sports utilize to the fullest.

'The Game is the Teacher'

 

[Tennesseejoe]

You make some valid points, sir...However, CJ is absolutely correct !...'One shot BIH' rules, completely ruined ALL rotation games. (and 8ball)... Until this is rectified, none of the other things you are hoping for, can EVER come about ! :frown:

IMHO, Texas Express rules, set pool back at least 20 years !.. It has become so ingrained in the younger players, its going to be a real tough sell, to change it ! :frown:.....Case in point, Chris Bartrum..Great player, in his late 30's, and thinks 1Foul-BIH, is the right way to play !.. Were he just a few years older, he would see the wisdom, in what Buddy, CJ, and myself, are talking about !

It ain't about 'lipstick on a pig', its about improving our image ! I agree, a nice shirt, and 'clean' tennis shoes, would help !...Or are we trying to attract the loser kid's, who think showing their ass-crack, is appealing ?

Best post of the year.

 

[CJ Wiley]

TWO SHOT is especially good when post produced because you can always show the Dare

Best post of the year.

I agree, SJD knows how much One Foul changed the game. On the plus side (for tournament directors) it sped up play and evened out the playing field. Some say it was for "TV" however, all the TV events are post edited anyway so really doesn't matter what rules they're using. As a matter of fact TWO SHOT is especially good when post produced because you can always show the "Dare Situation".....and this is the "hidden jewel of pool".

This will change one day, but for now we're stuck with a diluted version of pocket billiards......I know it makes a lot of us "old timers" sad, knowing there's an obvious solution to making the game more exciting immediately.

 

[CJ Wiley]

styling and profiling

It's not that bad Jay. I wish I knew 1/10 as much as you do about pool and the history of the game.

Jay was styling and profiling for that day and age.

The Million Dollar Tournament Director meets "Saturday Night Fever".

 

[RiverCity]

Along the conversation of 2 shot shoot out, tightening the pockets and shortening the races have had an ill effect on the game. Used to be you would see more packages run in matches due to a little bigger pockets and the short matches were races to 11. The stronger player still won, and the game had an excitement about it..... IMHO people like to see power offense as opposed to 2 players bunting balls on fast cloth, playing safe after safe until MAYBE the rack is safe to runout.
In my version of a perfect world, 2 shot shoot out on Mali cloth 5" pockets race to 15 is the way to go. I think the non pool playing audience would like to see that variation too.
It's like watching boxers having a slug fest as opposed to dancing around the ring landing 5 punches a round. What's more exciting?
Chuck

 

[CJ Wiley]

.in 2 FOUL Rules you can't win on a safety!!!

Yes, I agree, pool should be more like boxing and showcase it's "head to head," competitive components.

We have to change the game away from "One Foul" to succeed. The biggest flaw in One Foul is encourages players to "duck" (play safe) because they can win on a defensive move......in 2 FOUL Rules you can't win on a safety!!!

That's the difference that makes the difference between exciting and boring over time.

Along the conversation of 2 shot shoot out, tightening the pockets and shortening the races have had an ill effect on the game. Used to be you would see more packages run in matches due to a little bigger pockets and the short matches were races to 11. The stronger player still won, and the game had an excitement about it..... IMHO people like to see power offense as opposed to 2 players bunting balls on fast cloth, playing safe after safe until MAYBE the rack is safe to runout.
In my version of a perfect world, 2 shot shoot out on Mali cloth 5" pockets race to 15 is the way to go. I think the non pool playing audience would like to see that variation too.
It's like watching boxers having a slug fest as opposed to dancing around the ring landing 5 punches a round. What's more exciting?
Chuck