Jayson Shaw in the Hunt for Another 14.1 Record

tomatoshooter said:
I don't care to wager on whether or not Shaw breaks his record, but I am considering starting a pool to bet on the reasons why people say the record is not legitimate.
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Imo it’s real, if anyone doesn’t agree. Go build a table and break his record. Nobody is stopping anyone from doing that. There’s plenty of tables and pool players. So if it’s just that easy-go do it.

If I thought I could run that many balls, I would have built a easy table 25-30 years ago when it occurred to me the 526 was a accient record then.

But I can’t, so I haven’t built a easy table.

All the people who say it isn’t a record should be limited to those who play good enough to be in contention for breaking the record.

The weaker players like myself need to stfu and get over it.

Best
Fatboy <———once again keeping it real, something weak people can’t do…..
 
I thought the people who keep all these records cut Jason record to 669 because of a touched ball, but everyone seems to keep referring to 714 on these posts. Which is it?
 
L.S. Dennis said:
I thought the people who keep all these records cut Jason record to 669 because of a touched ball, but everyone seems to keep referring to 714 on these posts. Which is it?
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It's 714, because in the eyes of those running the Legends of 14.1, Jayson ran 714 in January.

Unlikely that Jayson will run more than 669 but less than 714, but if it happens, they'll have to decide whether to submit it for BCA certification. Cross that bridge when we come to it.
 
sjm said:
It's 714, because in the eyes of those running the Legends of 14.1, Jayson ran 714 in January.

Unlikely that Jayson will run more than 669 but less than 714, but if it happens, they'll have to decide whether to submit it for BCA certification. Cross that bridge when we come to it.
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If he does maker a high run let’s hope that he makes a clean 715 so this can be put to rest! Good luck to him but somehow I doubt it because as I said in an earlier post lightning rarely strikes in the same place twice but who knows,

As I understand John Schmidt tried not to long ago up in Canada and didn’t do very well in trying to duplicate his run. Like I said good luck to both or anyone trying to do something like this!
 
DynoDan said:
I think the numerous high-runs at the national tournament in Virginia Beach (Diamonds/tight pockets/triangle rack) a few yrs. ago proved otherwise. Make the pockets big enough, and likely many could run 1000 with a template rack.
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Texas Carom Club said:
Hi how were they? Any records of the runs to see how many they were and is there documentation on the pocket size used ? Super clean conditions help big runs just as much, just Nick the rack and a few will pop out
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The American Straight Pool Championship has been held in Virginia Beach twice, 2021 and 2019. My stats threads on those two events show just 4 runs of 100 or more in the 33 matches streamed on the feature table. But those were not the only 100+ runs.

In 2021, players were allowed to continue their runs if they were on at least 100 when they won the game. Information that was posted from the event prior to the 4 quarterfinal matches shows the 8 highest runs to that point, ranging from 162 to 213 (Filler).

In 2019, players were not allowed to continue runs after the game was won. My notes list 6 runs of 125 or 126 reported in the round-robin portion (games to 125), The only 100+ run I am aware of in the single-elimination portion (games to 150, final to 175) was 141 by Chinakhov, but there may have been some others in matches not streamed.

The tables were Diamonds both years. My notes indicate they were standard pro-cut pockets (4½" corners) in 2021. I imagine they were in 2019 also, but my notes are silent on that.
 
Black-Balled said:
Do you NOT think an additional record from Jayson devalues his achievement, and thus each successive one as well?

It does.

Now, if Jayson's record was broken by another player and Jayson wanted to take it back....that story would be worth at least 287$.
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Overall I rate it a win:


I think it is a gamble worth taking! If he moves his # higher and the "bca" number issue is put to rest also it would be a great positive. If he fails to me it would also show he had a really special run the first time and it was not easy at all.

For Fans that watch, follow it, enjoy the experience and get the copies later it is a win.

Even the loud jerky detractors here and elsewhere win too. They have a solid 5 or 6 days plus to do what they do!....some may need a new key board after this.
 
soyale said:
Depends on whether you think that touched ball nullifies the 714 or not. those referring to the 714 don’t think it does.
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For all reasonable purposes it's 714 -- even the BCA officials who originally viewed the tape on a wide screen TV agreed it was 714 and promised a quick certification to that effect.

Then they apparently bent over backwards to re-scruntize the run, having additional people review it, and for unknown reasons decided that an OB foul early in the run marginally reduced the final number.

Lou Figueroa
 
AtLarge said:
The American Straight Pool Championship has been held in Virginia Beach twice, 2021 and 2019. My stats threads on those two events show just 4 runs of 100 or more in the 33 matches streamed on the feature table. But those were not the only 100+ runs.

In 2021, players were allowed to continue their runs if they were on at least 100 when they won the game. Information that was posted from the event prior to the 4 quarterfinal matches shows the 8 highest runs to that point, ranging from 162 to 213 (Filler).

In 2019, players were not allowed to continue runs after the game was won. My notes list 6 runs of 125 or 126 reported in the round-robin portion (games to 125), The only 100+ run I am aware of in the single-elimination portion (games to 150, final to 175) was 141 by Chinakhov, but there may have been some others in matches not streamed.

The tables were Diamonds both years. My notes indicate they were standard pro-cut pockets (4½" corners) in 2021. I imagine they were in 2019 also, but my notes are silent on that.
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All true, but to be fair, the American 14.1 Championship is just the renamed and rebranded Maryland 14.1 Championship, also run by Peter Burrows but resituated to Virginia. The event goes back at least 25 years, although, just as you indicate, 2021 was the first edition in which runs were continued even when the finish line had been reached in a match,

Yes, the prize fund has increased, the fields have improved, and the event has reached a higher level of prestige than in the past. Participation grew tremendously when this event was re-scheduled to nearly coincide with the International Open in Virginia, making it accessible to the European stars, who managed all eight quarterfinal spots in 2021.
 
L.S. Dennis said:
Well good luck on his attempt, but remember not too long ago when John Schmidt tried to beat his record up in Canada someplace, I don’t think he came close. Lightning rarely strikes in the same place, but who knows good luck to him.
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Yes and Schmidt cheated several times including heaters under the slate and didnt even get half of Jaysons World Record.
 
AtLarge said:
The American Straight Pool Championship has been held in Virginia Beach twice, 2021 and 2019. My stats threads on those two events show just 4 runs of 100 or more in the 33 matches streamed on the feature table. But those were not the only 100+ runs.

In 2021, players were allowed to continue their runs if they were on at least 100 when they won the game. Information that was posted from the event prior to the 4 quarterfinal matches shows the 8 highest runs to that point, ranging from 162 to 213 (Filler).

In 2019, players were not allowed to continue runs after the game was won. My notes list 6 runs of 125 or 126 reported in the round-robin portion (games to 125), The only 100+ run I am aware of in the single-elimination portion (games to 150, final to 175) was 141 by Chinakhov, but there may have been some others in matches not streamed.

The tables were Diamonds both years. My notes indicate they were standard pro-cut pockets (4½" corners) in 2021. I imagine they were in 2019 also, but my notes are silent on that.
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Thanks,that settles that
 
DynoDan said:
I think the numerous high-runs at the national tournament in Virginia Beach (Diamonds/tight pockets/triangle rack) a few yrs. ago proved otherwise. Make the pockets big enough, and likely many could run 1000 with a template rack.
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You want to slow roll balls over a template?
 
decent dennis said:
You want to slow roll balls over a template?
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With a template rack the balls are set in place by hand than the balls wont be racked high or low or tilted. It prevents cheating like John Schmidt just got caught doing in Calgary and many other times.
 
Though it is difficult to say with exact certitude, I believe y’all can expect Jayson to begin his high run attempts tomorrow morning.

Let’s say 9ish EST.

I recommend buying your popcorn, pizza, and soda pop today because he says he wants to go at it for 12-15 hours.

Lou Figueroa
 
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lfigueroa said:
... I recommend buying your popcorn, pizza, and soda pop today because he says he wants to go at it for 12-15 hours.
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I'm hoping he runs 1,000 on his first attempt, puts the cue down and leaves the run unfinished, gets a bundle of Bobby's money, and goes home to the family.

[sure, sure, sure]
 
AtLarge said:
I'm hoping he runs 1,000 on his first attempt, puts the cue down and leaves the run unfinished, gets a bundle of Bobby's money, and goes home to the family.

[sure, sure, sure]
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I love that.

This second set of attempts could go so many different ways it lends another layer of interest to the proceedings, dan’t it.

Lou Figueroa
 
Patrick Johnson said:
I don't really care what the 14.1 High Run Table Standards are, I just think they should exist - including max pocket size and min facing angle.

pj
chgo
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And if it was up to me I'd say the corner pocket standards should be:
- Pocket Size: Maximum 5" at the mouth (between the points)
- Facing Angles: Minimum 3/4" reduction of opening from points to back edge of rubber (= 142.5°, assuming 2" rubber)

Haven't thought about side pocket standards.

pj
chgo
 
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