Jayson Shaw in the Hunt for Another 14.1 Record

Patrick Johnson said:
These are betting lines? What do they mean?

pj <- gambling wimp
chgo
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Yes they are betting lines

Means bet $100 Shaw runs 714 or more get back $400. You win $300. So +300 means he’s a 3-1 dog

Same for any number +1500 means 15-1 dog

If he’s a favorite to run say 300 which is very likely then he would be a -2000 favorite. Means you have to bet $2000 to get back $2100. He’s a 20-1 favorite

These numbers would be the opening lines as there’s been no action. If lots of people bet on one side then the mine can move to encourage people to bet on the other side. The book wants equal action on both sides-hence a “line” because there’s no risk that way.

The opening line wood read -250/+300 that $50 difference is the profit margin for the book. The total amount bet is called the “handle”. The higher the handle the more $ the book makes if both sides are bet equally. They move lines/prices to balance each side of the action.

Now your probably more confused, sorry.

Fatboy<——-doesn’t bet sports. Just pool.

We guessed on jaysons prices who really knows where the prices would land in real life and lines don’t always define a accurate estimation of what’s really gonna happen. Nobody has a crystal ball.

I’m just hoping for a big number 💪💪
 
rjb1168 said:
All these pocket size people please read post #66
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Size is not the only important gaff spec. I would find the flavor of table interesting. Make, model, cloth and modifications would be interesting.
Sorry if I missed it.
 
Fatboy said:
Yes they are betting lines

Means bet $100 Shaw runs 714 or more get back $400. You win $300. So +300 means he’s a 3-1 dog

Same for any number +1500 means 15-1 dog

If he’s a favorite to run say 300 which is very likely then he would be a -2000 favorite. Means you have to bet $2000 to get back $2100. He’s a 20-1 favorite

These numbers would be the opening lines as there’s been no action. If lots of people bet on one side then the mine can move to encourage people to bet on the other side. The book wants equal action on both sides-hence a “line” because there’s no risk that way.

The opening line wood read -250/+300 that $50 difference is the profit margin for the book. The total amount bet is called the “handle”. The higher the handle the more $ the book makes if both sides are bet equally. They move lines/prices to balance each side of the action.

Now your probably more confused, sorry.

Fatboy<——-doesn’t bet sports. Just pool.

We guessed on jaysons prices who really knows where the prices would land in real life and lines don’t always define a accurate estimation of what’s really gonna happen. Nobody has a crystal ball.

I’m just hoping for a big number 💪💪
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My pool wagering coaching started and ended with, "if you are not in on it...... don't bet." 🤷
 
Fatboy said:
Yes they are betting lines

Means bet $100 Shaw runs 714 or more get back $400. You win $300. So +300 means he’s a 3-1 dog

Same for any number +1500 means 15-1 dog
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So, money odds based on a $100 bet.

Fatboy said:
If he’s a favorite to run say 300 which is very likely then he would be a -2000 favorite. Means you have to bet $2000 to get back $2100. He’s a 20-1 favorite

These numbers would be the opening lines as there’s been no action. If lots of people bet on one side then the mine can move to encourage people to bet on the other side. The book wants equal action on both sides-hence a “line” because there’s no risk that way.

The opening line wood read -250/+300 that $50 difference is the profit margin for the book. The total amount bet is called the “handle”. The higher the handle the more $ the book makes if both sides are bet equally. They move lines/prices to balance each side of the action.

Now your probably more confused, sorry.
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Lots more than I expected to learn - and free!

Fatboy said:
Fatboy<——-doesn’t bet sports. Just pool.

We guessed on jaysons prices who really knows where the prices would land in real life and lines don’t always define a accurate estimation of what’s really gonna happen. Nobody has a crystal ball.

I’m just hoping for a big number 💪💪
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Me too - even with nothing invested and no table standards. (y)

pj <- let's do this
chgo
 
Fatboy said:
I’d be dead if I played that much in a day
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Sort of my point re: tighter pockets/triangle rack standardization. Once you’re ‘in the zone’ with big pockets/template (and ‘lady luck’ is in your corner), it becomes a demonstration of endurance. It was never originally Willie’s intention to set a record, so that # was rather pointless.
 
I hope he runs 7000 and shuts everybody the hell up.
Jayson has as much experience at straight pool as I do flying the space shuttle. If he learned all the moves
and nuances of the game the best players today aren't going to like it.
I remember the comments,,,, he can't run 200, he doesn't know crap about straight pool, etc.
He figured out how to get through 51 racks in a few days, shocked the crap out of a lot of people.
Guys have been playing this game for 30 years can't run 200.

I've spent plenty of time around the some of the greatest straight pool players beginning with Sailor Bill Barge.
He would tell me where he would play balls as he picked the rack apart, like a surgeon. that was then this is now.

It's 2022, yesterday is history. Willie, Irving, Luther, The Sailor are long gone as is the game we knew.
The new breed are ball pocketing machines, smash the rack, run balls.
Their IQ, game play, table management, pattern awareness, etc. is the better than ever, fantastic players.

Willie was pocketing balls in sewer holes, anything wrong with that? I was fine with Jaysons video and I am
sure the next one will be better.
I would like to see the video of the record prior to Jaysons.
 
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lfigueroa said:
GC4 with Simonis 760 with 5" pockets. An overhead and a side view camera will stream and record.

Lou Figueroa
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That's a hugely appealing, considerate, (and instructive for all skill levels) addition to the proceedings.

It is so contributory and spectator-immersive to have the enjoyable -- and beneficial -- opportunity to continually ask yourself "Now what would I do with this layout (as each layout changes when Whitey stops rolling) if I were shooting?" An overhead leaves little doubt as to the exact nature of the changing situation.

Many thanks to Lou, Bobby, and Bobby's team for arranging this, and all else about the upcoming attempts by Jayson, and any future ones by other courageous players.

Arnaldo
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SmoothStroke said:
It's 2022, yesterday is history. Willie, Irving, Luther, The Sailor are long gone as is the game we knew.
The new breed are ball pocketing machines, smash the rack, run balls.
Their IQ, game play, table management, pattern awareness, etc. is the better than ever, fantastic players.
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More than 3 centuries ago, Isaac Newton set the bar for the classiest way to view progress in a given field. When Newton's peers resoundingly praised the scientific progress he contributed to the world he humbly stated (in acknowledgment of genius-level math and science forbearers all the way back to the ancient Greeks) :

“If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants.”

New generations benefit from, and expand upon trial & error experiments and hard-wrought principles commendably resulting from previous generations (and today now armed with newer and better equipment, and staggering amounts of instructional means, as is the case with billiards and most sciences.)

Arnaldo
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Fatboy said:
Funny you mention this. We just spoke about this a couple days ago. When Shane used to stay at my house in Vegas-which was a lot of times and for long periods of time. I never saw him not playing. He works harder than anyone I’ve ever seen.

I’ll tell JA you said hello later today.

Great story, I never played that much but 35-50 hours a week (7 day week) was normal for me. If I don’t play at least 25-30 hours I’m going backwards. I attribute that to lack of talent for pool. No complaints I love to play

Best
Fatboy 😃😃
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Like I told Max after he wtf'd me about my shot choice...
Gawdammit!! some of us just like to watch the balls roll!
 
I don't care to wager on whether or not Shaw breaks his record, but I am considering starting a pool to bet on the reasons why people say the record is not legitimate.
 
tomatoshooter said:
When I place a bet will I be locked in at the current odds?
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I’m not taking any action on this. As Stu said it’s hypothetical action. I want to see Shaw run a huge number, this isn’t a good thing to bet on. Matches or who goes deeper in a tourney are better bets. This is exibition pool, not action pool. I know he’s gonna give it 100% effort
 
Fatboy said:
I’m not taking any action on this. As Stu said it’s hypothetical action. I want to see Shaw run a huge number, this isn’t a good thing to bet on. Matches or who goes deeper in a tourney are better bets. This is exibition pool, not action pool. I know he’s gonna give it 100% effort
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I was just hypothetically wondering, I'm not going to bet on this.
 
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