I did not say your were I said possibly ,
But seriously as a person I would not care either way .
You are very good at mincing your words when we really know what your attempting to do
We know its not a tribute case and you don't call it one ,as we know the word tribute is to show respect and we know that's the farthest thing your trying to accomplish
When I called you out on that in the for sale section you threaten to report me and told me to start a thread in the other forum.
Is it really worth all this ,do you really think this is positive advertising for you even if everyone here thought I was a idiot does it make you look good to be arguing with me. I hardly think so
You make a great case on your own regardless where it's made let your work do your talking , you would be much better off
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Sorry my "work" does not speak. It merely IS. You speak, the Jack Pack speaks, Jack speaks, everyone speaks on behalf of things that don't speak. If work "spoke" for itself then there would be no advertising, no need for slogans, no need to ever post any thread describing anything about the product and what went into it.
I didn't take you task for starting this thread. I asked you to put it where it belongs because the rules don't allow for knocking in for sale threads. You decided to do it and here we are and I think you can easily see that the majority of posters don't agree with your position even if they don't particularly like me all that much. (now comes the the obligatory response of "I have 5000 pms in support")
I don't mind being criticized. If you think I am doing something wrong then speak up and I will have two choices, ignore you or address you. If I address you I have two further choices, disagree with you and say why, or agree with you and try to change.
I do mind if all you are trying to accomplish is a public flogging by attempting to push a bunch of emotional buttons and rally the villagers to a good old-fashioned witch hunt with a toasty bonfire at the end of it. You will never see me willingly marching docilely into the fire.
I can't possibly know what such a thread costs me in business or brings me in business. I know that I get orders every day and many of them are accompanied by "attaboys" for standing up for the principles I stand up for. Given that the readership is vastly greater than the people who actively post I write for them and let them decide what they want to do.
Either way for me it's not worth it personally to argue with "you" per se but it is worth it to argue against the positions you (and the rest of the JackPack) take because I find them to be just wrong and sometimes seemingly willfully malicious. I refuse to roll over and be silent only for the purpose of getting a few more shekels out of the audience. If that was who I want to be then I would simply hire someone else to present our work and blandly talk about our features and benefits and never otherwise participate in this community.
I have a voice, I have opinions, I should be free to share them without malicious attacks. Do you honestly think calling me a traitor does anything for your position? I don't think so and I think people look at it as absurd.
As for Jack and this project, no it's not a tribute at all. Not at all. It's me making a point to the Jack Pack that they should have accepted my many offers of peace and elected to leave me alone and let me present my product as I want to. Every time you say I can't do something or otherwise try to put me down or malign my product then I will do it or show the proof to the contrary.
You want to condemn me but you should offer equal condemnation, or even greater condemnation to Jack Justis and his Pack of Jackals who have dogged me for more than five years since this thread
Justis Case Knockoff - started by Jack Justis
and this one
Justis Case Knockoff Design Thief Exposed - started by Jack Justis
A man I considered my friend who acted like my friend in public and to my face, someone I looked up to and genuinely couldn't wait to see at the various shows we both attended went out of his way to attack me without even the courtesy of asking me whether the information he received was true or not.
He asked about a case that I had nothing to do with and then made an accusation based on a flimsy private message from another forum something like 8 months previous to his inquiry.
And he did this all while negotiating to take a large sum of money to become partners with the biggest case design thieves the world has ever known. And a short time later he did come to China and teach that factory how to build his cases and took that money while sitting among copies of the all the world's best cases.
In the past five years I have taken an unbelievable amount of shit from continual snide remarks from Jack, to Jack saying out interior will actually harm cues, to him saying I can't make cases, to him talking about how awful Chinese people are (after the Taiwanese partner stopped paying him), and tons more shit on top of that from people like you taking up the torch and pitchforks.
So this is it we come full circle. The one thing I never wanted to do was copy a Jack Justis case. I don't even really like this style of case personally. When I owned a Flowers case I didn't really like it I just bought it because it was new and cool and I thought it made me look like more of a player. When I started my own case making I made completely different cases.
But now, because the Jack Pack won't leave me alone even after I yet again offered peace and yet again tried to turn the other cheek, I have decided to dissect Jack's case from top to bottom and use it as a template to show everyone how it's made, what I feel is not done well and how I propose to make it better. Is this the "right" thing to do? Maybe not but it's the thing I feel I need to do after all the crap I have endured from Jack and his Pack.
In my opinion Jack does not LOVE this craft. In my opinion this is a money grab with him more than anything else. Which is not a bad thing at all but it in no way makes him a master of the craft, in no way makes him an expert leather worker, and in no way allows him to pass judgement on me in any part of this business.
I looked up to him as a colleague, a friend, and a friendly competitor. Prior to September 21st 2007 you will find nowhere on the internet that I ever attacked Jack Justis maliciously. We had a few friendly short debates about interior construction that were done amicably and peacefully.
After September 21st 2007 all that changed for the worse and has remained a shitty situation the whole time. In the intervening years I have come to find out so much more about Jack Justis than I ever cared to know. I find him to be hypocritical, mean, manipulative, two-faced and defamatory. A person I thought was my friend turned out to be anything but. This is a small industry and things Jack said about me at shows get back to me. So I know he has run a smear campaign for years.
So you ask me is all this worth it? Is is worth it for me to now go 180 degrees from my vow to never copy a Justis to making a replica of his case to sell for about half his price? Yes it's worth it for me. It is worth is for me to cauterize the personal pain Jack has caused me to endure, the lies, the defamation, the insults.....to cauterize that with sales of "his" design and simply show him how it REALLY works when someone who is able takes your design and does it better.
As the song goes, we're not gonna take it anymore. If the Jack Pack wants to continue to harass me then every month I will pick a case from their Justis collections and copy it and sell a bunch of them in the market.
Then when the CUSTOMERS speak for those cases Jack will understand the price of his and his pack of jackals' continued harassment. If they want me to be the King of Copiers then I will be the greatest king the world has ever known. Because from my position it's nothing to copy his work while he will never be able to touch mine.
I don't know if you can feel the pain I am showing you in this letter but it's there. You need to ask yourself what would drive a person to this point? What motivation do I have?
Lack of an apology is where it all comes from. Failure to be human. Thinking you can push someone to the brink and not face any consequences.
You want to know where the copies of your cases are coming from Jack Justis?
right here -
www.jbcases.com.casesbyname.html
Five years in the making.
