JB vs Lou - Let's Get It On
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Brian, I no longer care enough about the BS to be flexible.
The last time I blew what I won taking Gail to NYC for a long weekend, staying at a swank hotel on Times Square, Broadway shows, dinner, jewelry for her. IOW, its not about the money.
If he comes to St. Louis I'll give him a shot at winning his $10K back. Otherwise I do not care anymore.
Lou Figueroa
I'm pretty sure the discussion was done before it really started.
As soon as he typed the word "non-negotiable" it was DOA.
Lou Figueroa
Why should I care if you're bored? All I care about is if you're scared or not and it's apparent that you are.
Be done, no one is twisting your arm to make you post.
Seriously, can it. I made an offer where a simple no would have been enough. You don't want to play then that's fine. My offer was for 20k with the terms I laid out.
Just say to yourself, I am scared and you will feel better.
Yeah because the idea of the better player traveling to pick up an easy 20k is such a horrible concept.
Yes, I think you did. I felt you baited John into various arguments and it did not seem he was in great mental shape at the time. We cleared up the sequence of events in a subsequent thread, the match being John's idea and you called him on it.
John seems to have it under control now, so my change of heart. I think you would see a different, more business-like person in this arrangement. I think he sincerely wants another shot at playing you, He practiced hard and it's understandable that he would want a rematch for personal achievement/revenge, whatever, although I don't see why he won't discuss other options as long as it's on a table he's comfortable with.
I rarely watch one pocket and don't play, but I enjoyed watching the two of you play and found it to be an interesting match. It actually got me interested in the game.
What I would really like to see a rematch at considerably lower stakes, each player bet their own, on equipment you both like. I hate to see people lose a lot of money on something like this - it seems like such a waste.
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Classic, if I knew how I'd post the gif of Farley doing the worm.
Keep going everyone, this is the best thread in months.
i think the most important point you proved was that you were more than willing to let someone else (your backers) take the lion's share of the value of your labor, while, incidentally, doing much less work than you.... when you obviously had 10-7 the best of it and enough money to take 100% of your own action. Some people might call that not having any gamble.
And since John is willing to take way the worst of it playing even, the least you could do is travel a little bit to pick up the free $20k. I'm sure your backers would greatly appreciate the $18k you will be earning for them.
If not, you could always offer John 10-7 and I'm sure he would be much more willing to accept your conditions.
Personally, I would like to see what would happen if you played John even and were forced to bet the whole $20k yourself. Of couse, we both know this will never happen, as you more than likely couldn't even draw your ball under those circumstances.
Chris, the idea to play a big money set was not mine or Lou's. It was a high roll bark done by Lenny Marshall on behalf of Michael Lalumiere on onepocket.org
I had posted that I would play Lou for $100 a game and give him 9/8 and guarantee to post at least $500 so that he could win enough for a nice dinner.
Lenny then says I should give him that weight for $20,000. I initially said no but then decided to try it even and countered with 10 ahead for $10,000.
I was called a nit, a coward, and more....anyone can see the thread and follow the sequence.
Somehow Lou thought he could use that counteroffer to bring it into azb and berate me for "only" wanting to play for $10,000.
Anyway I told him I didn't rescind the offer and to my surprise he actually made a real thread with a real challenge on azb for 10k. I accepted.
Then his group started in with the head games. Which I totally bought into as expected.
Anyway......here we are with me wanting to play for 20k and him wanting to play for 10k after winning 10k and he doesn't see the irony in him calling me a coward.....
If I had 50k to bet that's what I would be trying to bet. As it is he is throwing away the opportunity to beat me out of 30,000 dollars.
The only reason to offer to play for 10 now is pure fear.
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It has a lot to do with it when the frequency and length of posts ratio is so absurdly one sided. If you are going to point so many fingers at Lou whilst ignoring the obviousness of your own berating, I'm calling you on it.
If Earl Strickland goes to 100 tournaments and complains 95 times, versus all other players combined complaining 5 times... do you feel the frequency of his complaining is worthy of note? I do.
You run around poking people with sticks over and over and over and over, and over and over. Then when they finally react you point at them and go "See!!!!!!". And then you hold it over them for an eternity.
Meanwhile you conveniently ignore or even lie about the reality of your own BS drama situations that you create or fueled the fire of.
People on here have talked about feeling guilty for taking money from an emotionally unstable guy. You're pretty much stating you are would surely lose $20,000. I can't speak for Lou, but I suspect he finds you so annoying he won't even go take it because he doesn't want to deal with more inevitable BS.
Time for a reality check...
Lou;
John and you come from different universes, it seems, though in my opinion you are both good guys.
Strong opinions and an incredible amount of passion for our sport are yours and John's common denominators and these have earned you both respect and admiration as well as a lot of fans and even a few detractors here and there.
You both showed some brass to play the last match in Edison and I don't care if there was some backing on one side; getting in the grease on a live stream with big $$$ and pride on the line is a big damn deal. :yeah:
I've been around this sport for a very long time and never played for anything even remotely close to that amount and I'd guess neither has 98% of all other az'ers.
The idea of a rematch between the two of you has a lot of appeal and aside from the adrenaline and personal challenge aspects, there's about 10 - 20,000 other reasons why this could be well worthwhile.
Why it could mean a whole bunch more fine meals at swanky restaurants out with the Missus or some more Broadway shows.
Hell, you could maybe even get a fancy motorbike like Tate's.
#negotiatelikegumby
best,
brian kc
OK, that clears it up. Best if you both cool off a little.
10K is still a lot of to gamble on a pool, match. You seem to like the game now, Lou likes the game. If this is going to happen, each side needs to make concessions. I see 3 days as more than enough. I think 10K is a boatload for amateurs to bet. I think your venue request is completely reasonable under the circumstances that you're not asking for weight and are down 10K already.
If Lou agrees to Oklahoma, you agree to 10K, those are entirely reasonable and equal concessions. 3 days 10 ahead, pro rate.
What say you both? Game on? I'll even raise money from AZ to cover Lou's room in Oklahoma - I'll guarantee it.
The only personal pride for me is to prove to myself that I can play better against him. I don't hate him, the malice I felt is all gone. So pride alone isn't enough to go in for a bet I only lose money on. Sure it would be nice to get some of the money back but I want a shot at profit and I want it all posted well before match time.
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OK, John, I think I have a proposition that will make everyone happy.
Ready?
John, you come out to St. Louis. We will play for $10,000. Teacherman will stream it to the masses so the memory of how I beat you stupid will forever be seared into your memory.
THEN
I will cover…
(hold on, John, give me a second)
I will COVER all bets up to $30,000.
(whew. hold on. bear with me. just a second)
We can ALSO…
(oh my God, I can’t get it out)
Wecanalsohavea$500agamesidebet.
HA!
HA!
HA!
WAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA
(oh, my God. It hurts. It hurts.)
(Whew. Oh my)
(OK, I’m better now.)
So, John what do you think?
Lou Figueroa
hahahhahahahahaha
hahahahahahahhaha
Lou;
John and you come from different universes, it seems, though in my opinion you are both good guys.
Strong opinions and an incredible amount of passion for our sport are yours and John's common denominators and these have earned you both respect and admiration as well as a lot of fans and even a few detractors here and there.
You both showed some brass to play the last match in Edison and I don't care if there was some backing on one side; getting in the grease on a live stream with big $$$ and pride on the line is a big damn deal. :yeah:
I've been around this sport for a very long time and never played for anything even remotely close to that amount and I'd guess neither has 98% of all other az'ers.
The idea of a rematch between the two of you has a lot of appeal and aside from the adrenaline and personal challenge aspects, there's about 10 - 20,000 other reasons why this could be well worthwhile.
Why it could mean a whole bunch more fine meals at swanky restaurants out with the Missus or some more Broadway shows.
Hell, you could maybe even get a fancy motorbike like Tate's.
#negotiatelikegumby
best,
brian kc
I hate it when people chime in just to say -- "Great Post" and then add nothing else to the conversation. I don't do it because I'm certain nobody really cares if I think something is a great post or not.
But I'll break my own rule just this once...
Great post KC
These are my sentiments exactly.
You have my offer and until Friday to accept it or not. If at some time in the future I feel like coming to St. Louis I will at that time make you another offer.
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