Jeff Olney, What a stand up guy. NOT!!!!!!!!!!

I don't have a dog in this fight. But if what the OP is telling, is the truth, then no one should have ever seen the cue to make offer of "4 times greater" . The cue should have been put up and labeled SOLD!
But that's just how I do business. If days went by with no call from buyer, then I may have to leave message that if I don't hear back I may be forced to sell cue. Please return call ASAP....
 
Best advice: Stick with dead cue makers.

Not true. There are a number of cue makers out there who are reasonable to deal with. I can't speak personally for many but I have ordered two cues direct from Mike Durbin and he is fantastic to work with, reasonably priced and makes a great hitting cue. I have two Blackcreek cues from Travis/Blackcreek, one I bought from Worminator, another I had made by Travis. Again, great to deal with, reasonable price and a great hitting cue. I haven't had the good fortune of ordering a cue from him but I've only heard fantastic things about Andy Gilbert. I bought one cue from the Joseys, Keith and his wife are A number 1 class people and a world class cue maker.

No need for people to let a few bad apples spoil the entire bunch.
 
Same experience here with Josey cues, some of the best communication and customer service I've experienced, anywhere.
 
The people that are trying to see Jeff's side, do read any of this? Has Jeff rebutted any of the things with reasonable sense?

Jeff called Saturday at 2pm and TALKED to Brian( Brian wasn't hiding and avoiding his call).
Made arrangements for Sunday night.
BRIAN CALLED Jeff Sunday night when it was agreed apon to tell Jeff that he would be up tomorrow.(whenever we went up there, it was mostly 7pm or later, usually later)
Jeff doesn't answer.
Jeff calls Brian back to tell him he's S.O.L.

So if I've got the story straight,
Jeff called once on Wednesday and once on Saturday before he sold the cue on Sunday when they had arranged for Brian to go up there..
5 times? na
 
And just to reiterate, Jeff NEVER SAID "hey Brian, I NEED you to come pick this cue up this weekend or I will sell it out from under you."
If he had, I'd bet $975 that Brian would have grabbed the family and made a road trip up to Boone to pick up a cue that Brian designed and has been waiting on for several years......

Jeff, you screwed this one up. Be a man and admit it that the sight of cash got the better of you and your judgements........
 
Dear Mr. Jeff Olney, please pull your head out of that very dark place and smell the roses. Don't be like an alcoholic and admit that you screwed up. I understand that no one is perfect. We all make mistakes and that leads to better decisions next time.

If you think your hard up for money now, just wait till you lose half your business. I don't understand how you can continue with this nonsense. What ever happened to the customer is always right. Yes, some of them can be a pain but they keep the lights on.

Right or wrong, if you don't lose half of your work I'd be shocked. You now have the opportunity to make amends. The internet spreads faster than wild fire. Show everyone that your a good man. Your cues are beautiful and it would be a shame to lose that.
 
Here's what Jeff posted in the Olney thread in the cue and case gallery late last night, sounds like he is offering to build him a nicer one.

I know about the fighting it funny how somebody was in my shop Sunday night knowing everything, real funny I didn't see anyone there but one person, at 8:00 I sold the cue 8:19 Brain called I wasn't waiting any more. Gone, I really wanted Brain to have to cue and showing it off in DM. I have always really like Brian but one person never allowed in my shop ever is Brad. I hated seeing you call 19 minutes later. best deal I can do for you is make it nicer cue and charge you 800.00 when done. take or leave makes no difference to me. Jeff
 
Here's what Jeff posted in the Olney thread in the cue and case gallery late last night, sounds like he is offering to build him a nicer one.


He has yet to contact me about this?
Was I suppose to assume he would post something in that thread?
 
This just sucks and I will probably get bashed

Well this is a damn shame. I would like to offer my perspective on this. First, let
me say that I have not met Jeff in person but I have spoken with him over the phone a
few times. I have a good friend who knows Jeff and used to live in Ames and he has
visited the shop and owned several Olneys. He is very proud of his Olney cues and
speaks very highly of Jeff, but he will admit that Jeff is meticulously slow, but the
result is always worth the wait. After I shot with my friends Olney for the first
time, I wanted one. I talked to Jeff and exchanged some emails about design specs and
stuff. I wanted to put in an order and make a down payment. He did not want a down
payment. I even offered to drive to Boone with my friend to check out his shop and
dish him cash. He was not interested and he said he was way behind and needed to get
caught up, and did not need added pressure of holding on to my money. He told me to
call him the next summer. Fair enough. I felt uneasy with this, and knowing that it
could be several years before I got a cue, I decided to have the cue made by someone
else who could guarantee a quicker turnaround. So that is my experience with Jeff. He
was always nice to me and I do not have a single bad thing to say about him. Here is
my take on this unfortunate situation:

Luck1st: Jeff wanted you to pick up the cue on Thursday. You were busy and decided to
come "on the weekend sometime". On Saturday afternoon you said you would be over the
next evening. Then suddenly on Sunday night after 8pm you want to put it off until
tomorrow again. I am sorry this happened but I think you really dropped the ball on
this one. You have the greatest excuse in the world - your family. Your sons birthday
is clearly much more important than a silly pool cue. But birthdays are static, you
know when your son was born, and you know when you were going to celebrate the
occasion. So why would you tell Jeff that you are going to pick up the cue during an
obviously busy weekend? It probably took Jeff a while to make this pool cue but I can
guarantee he never gave you a specific date/time and then failed to deliver (which is
exactly what you did, more than once). If your life is so ungodly busy that it takes
more time to make a 45 minute drive than to have the cue mailed, then the obvious
choice is to have Jeff ship the cue; saying you are "only 45 minutes away" is not a
reason to avoid shipping and it does not help your cause at all. I wouldn't be
surprised if Jeff never sold the cue at all, maybe he just wants to prove a point that
when he says the cue is done you need to get it and pay up and not continuously give
him the runaround. It doesn't matter if it takes Jeff ten years to build the cue, the
bottom line is that he never scheduled something finite and then reneged multiple
times.

Jeff Olney: Whether you sold the cue or not (it is a beauty by the way), it may have
been worth an extra phone call to inform the customer that you will sell the cue to
another interested party if he does not come and get it TODAY. That would have
probably got the job done and avoided this mess, and although he may have been insulted
with the surprising demand, I doubt it would piss him off to the point of starting a
tarnishing thread like this one. I understand that money talks and it is hard to turn
down, but from an ethical standpoint the guy deserved to get his cue. The main thing
here is that you did not take his money, so you are not a thief and from a legal
standpoint you don't owe him anything. He kept lying about when he was coming to get
the cue, so maybe you thought he was never coming to get it. Why have a perfectly good
cue brand new and shiny sitting there collecting dust? I believe you already offered to
make him another one, which is mildly fair but probably too late for that, I doubt he
is interested any more. The cue is gone now, you have money for it, so onto the next
one. I know damn well you are not feeling good about this.

I am on the fence here, but I think it is a lesson that the customer is not always
right; this isn't the restaurant industry. Things get "sold out" from under people all
the time. It is usually done for a bigger profit or some other kind of financial
concern, but there's also favoritism. It is human nature and Jeff nor any other
cuemaker is perfect. Some are better at projecting estimates than most. Some are more
committed to setting deadlines and pushing themself to stay on top of them. I think
overall Jeff makes a nice cue for a super fair price, but he reserves the right to work
at his own pace, charge what he wants, and refuse a down payment if he feels it would
implicate drama. When you own your own business you earn these rights, and to expect
and demand him to do things your way is impractical. What I think happened here was
Jeff being irritated and tired of waiting for a customer who was establishing a pattern
of delays, combined with the fact that he had someone in the shop who adored the cue
and was ready and eager to pay cash for it. I can't help but wonder if there was any
animosity between these two prior to this happening. I have to assume there is.

I hope you guys can figure out a way to get this resolved, but I am not sure how. Both
parties are equally "out" of something, which is oddly a good thing. Luck1st is out a
nice cue, and Jeff is out at least one repeat customer. The good news is both can move
on with their lives, and so can we!
 
I don't have a dog in this fight. But if what the OP is telling, is the truth, then no one should have ever seen the cue to make offer of "4 times greater" . The cue should have been put up and labeled SOLD!
But that's just how I do business. If days went by with no call from buyer, then I may have to leave message that if I don't hear back I may be forced to sell cue. Please return call ASAP....

If you believe the op's claim the cue was sold out from under him for "4 times greater" I have the Schon used by Mosconi to win all his world championships and I will sell it today only for the low price of $10,000.

I ran 527 with it yesterday.
 
Not so

If you believe the op's claim the cue was sold out from under him for "4 times greater" I have the Schon used by Mosconi to win all his world championships and I will sell it today only for the low price of $10,000.

I ran 527 with it yesterday.

I was watching you and you fouled on 525 therefore no record.

Don :eek:
 
If you believe the op's claim the cue was sold out from under him for "4 times greater" I have the Schon used by Mosconi to win all his world championships and I will sell it today only for the low price of $10,000.

I ran 527 with it yesterday.

OP stated that jeff told him this, why do you continue to harp on this like OP was stating this as a fact. There is plenty of facts to this matter that support OP claim, and the only thing that you have to argue your point with makes you look stupid. Enough already, before you look anymore foolish.
 
Well this is a damn shame. I would like to offer my perspective on this. First, let
me say that I have not met Jeff in person but I have spoken with him over the phone a
few times. I have a good friend who knows Jeff and used to live in Ames and he has
visited the shop and owned several Olneys. He is very proud of his Olney cues and
speaks very highly of Jeff, but he will admit that Jeff is meticulously slow, but the
result is always worth the wait. After I shot with my friends Olney for the first
time, I wanted one. I talked to Jeff and exchanged some emails about design specs and
stuff. I wanted to put in an order and make a down payment. He did not want a down
payment. I even offered to drive to Boone with my friend to check out his shop and
dish him cash. He was not interested and he said he was way behind and needed to get
caught up, and did not need added pressure of holding on to my money. He told me to
call him the next summer. Fair enough. I felt uneasy with this, and knowing that it
could be several years before I got a cue, I decided to have the cue made by someone
else who could guarantee a quicker turnaround. So that is my experience with Jeff. He
was always nice to me and I do not have a single bad thing to say about him. Here is
my take on this unfortunate situation:

Luck1st: Jeff wanted you to pick up the cue on Thursday. You were busy and decided to
come "on the weekend sometime". On Saturday afternoon you said you would be over the
next evening. Then suddenly on Sunday night after 8pm you want to put it off until
tomorrow again. I am sorry this happened but I think you really dropped the ball on
this one. You have the greatest excuse in the world - your family. Your sons birthday
is clearly much more important than a silly pool cue. But birthdays are static, you
know when your son was born, and you know when you were going to celebrate the
occasion. So why would you tell Jeff that you are going to pick up the cue during an
obviously busy weekend? It probably took Jeff a while to make this pool cue but I can
guarantee he never gave you a specific date/time and then failed to deliver (which is
exactly what you did, more than once). If your life is so ungodly busy that it takes
more time to make a 45 minute drive than to have the cue mailed, then the obvious
choice is to have Jeff ship the cue; saying you are "only 45 minutes away" is not a
reason to avoid shipping and it does not help your cause at all. I wouldn't be
surprised if Jeff never sold the cue at all, maybe he just wants to prove a point that
when he says the cue is done you need to get it and pay up and not continuously give
him the runaround. It doesn't matter if it takes Jeff ten years to build the cue, the
bottom line is that he never scheduled something finite and then reneged multiple
times.

Jeff Olney: Whether you sold the cue or not (it is a beauty by the way), it may have
been worth an extra phone call to inform the customer that you will sell the cue to
another interested party if he does not come and get it TODAY. That would have
probably got the job done and avoided this mess, and although he may have been insulted
with the surprising demand, I doubt it would piss him off to the point of starting a
tarnishing thread like this one. I understand that money talks and it is hard to turn
down, but from an ethical standpoint the guy deserved to get his cue. The main thing
here is that you did not take his money, so you are not a thief and from a legal
standpoint you don't owe him anything. He kept lying about when he was coming to get
the cue, so maybe you thought he was never coming to get it. Why have a perfectly good
cue brand new and shiny sitting there collecting dust? I believe you already offered to
make him another one, which is mildly fair but probably too late for that, I doubt he
is interested any more. The cue is gone now, you have money for it, so onto the next
one. I know damn well you are not feeling good about this.

I am on the fence here, but I think it is a lesson that the customer is not always
right; this isn't the restaurant industry. Things get "sold out" from under people all
the time. It is usually done for a bigger profit or some other kind of financial
concern, but there's also favoritism. It is human nature and Jeff nor any other
cuemaker is perfect. Some are better at projecting estimates than most. Some are more
committed to setting deadlines and pushing themself to stay on top of them. I think
overall Jeff makes a nice cue for a super fair price, but he reserves the right to work
at his own pace, charge what he wants, and refuse a down payment if he feels it would
implicate drama. When you own your own business you earn these rights, and to expect
and demand him to do things your way is impractical. What I think happened here was
Jeff being irritated and tired of waiting for a customer who was establishing a pattern
of delays, combined with the fact that he had someone in the shop who adored the cue
and was ready and eager to pay cash for it. I can't help but wonder if there was any
animosity between these two prior to this happening. I have to assume there is.

I hope you guys can figure out a way to get this resolved, but I am not sure how. Both
parties are equally "out" of something, which is oddly a good thing. Luck1st is out a
nice cue, and Jeff is out at least one repeat customer. The good news is both can move
on with their lives, and so can we!


How can you say there could or was a pattern of delays?
It has been stated time and time again. 2 PHONE CALLS were made asking when I was picking up the cue. For all Jeff knew, I was calling at 8:19pm to tell him I was on the way. The cue was SOLD before MY call was made. When I have went to his shop in the past, it was usually around 8-9 or later.

No ball was dropped on my side of this deal what so ever.
 
The thing is........ Most people who have Jeffs Back on this whole thing have most likely never been to is shop and sat down and talked to the man, which I have on multiple occasions.
Its not like I was some chump off the street that road with someone and met him for the first time.
His reason for selling the cue because I couldn't read his mind, that he needed the money and was scared I was stiffing him was complete BS.

He has never Posted a valid reason that he needed to sell the cue because of something I had done in the past.
 
Well this is a damn shame. I would like to offer my perspective on this. First, let
me say that I have not met Jeff in person but I have spoken with him over the phone a
few times. I have a good friend who knows Jeff and used to live in Ames and he has
visited the shop and owned several Olneys. He is very proud of his Olney cues and
speaks very highly of Jeff, but he will admit that Jeff is meticulously slow, but the
result is always worth the wait. After I shot with my friends Olney for the first
time, I wanted one. I talked to Jeff and exchanged some emails about design specs and
stuff. I wanted to put in an order and make a down payment. He did not want a down
payment. I even offered to drive to Boone with my friend to check out his shop and
dish him cash. He was not interested and he said he was way behind and needed to get
caught up, and did not need added pressure of holding on to my money. He told me to
call him the next summer. Fair enough. I felt uneasy with this, and knowing that it
could be several years before I got a cue, I decided to have the cue made by someone
else who could guarantee a quicker turnaround. So that is my experience with Jeff. He
was always nice to me and I do not have a single bad thing to say about him. Here is
my take on this unfortunate situation:

Luck1st: Jeff wanted you to pick up the cue on Thursday. You were busy and decided to
come "on the weekend sometime". On Saturday afternoon you said you would be over the
next evening. Then suddenly on Sunday night after 8pm you want to put it off until
tomorrow again. I am sorry this happened but I think you really dropped the ball on
this one. You have the greatest excuse in the world - your family. Your sons birthday
is clearly much more important than a silly pool cue. But birthdays are static, you
know when your son was born, and you know when you were going to celebrate the
occasion. So why would you tell Jeff that you are going to pick up the cue during an
obviously busy weekend? It probably took Jeff a while to make this pool cue but I can
guarantee he never gave you a specific date/time and then failed to deliver (which is
exactly what you did, more than once). If your life is so ungodly busy that it takes
more time to make a 45 minute drive than to have the cue mailed, then the obvious
choice is to have Jeff ship the cue; saying you are "only 45 minutes away" is not a
reason to avoid shipping and it does not help your cause at all. I wouldn't be
surprised if Jeff never sold the cue at all, maybe he just wants to prove a point that
when he says the cue is done you need to get it and pay up and not continuously give
him the runaround. It doesn't matter if it takes Jeff ten years to build the cue, the
bottom line is that he never scheduled something finite and then reneged multiple
times.

Jeff Olney: Whether you sold the cue or not (it is a beauty by the way), it may have
been worth an extra phone call to inform the customer that you will sell the cue to
another interested party if he does not come and get it TODAY. That would have
probably got the job done and avoided this mess, and although he may have been insulted
with the surprising demand, I doubt it would piss him off to the point of starting a
tarnishing thread like this one. I understand that money talks and it is hard to turn
down, but from an ethical standpoint the guy deserved to get his cue. The main thing
here is that you did not take his money, so you are not a thief and from a legal
standpoint you don't owe him anything. He kept lying about when he was coming to get
the cue, so maybe you thought he was never coming to get it. Why have a perfectly good
cue brand new and shiny sitting there collecting dust? I believe you already offered to
make him another one, which is mildly fair but probably too late for that, I doubt he
is interested any more. The cue is gone now, you have money for it, so onto the next
one. I know damn well you are not feeling good about this.

I am on the fence here, but I think it is a lesson that the customer is not always
right; this isn't the restaurant industry. Things get "sold out" from under people all
the time. It is usually done for a bigger profit or some other kind of financial
concern, but there's also favoritism. It is human nature and Jeff nor any other
cuemaker is perfect. Some are better at projecting estimates than most. Some are more
committed to setting deadlines and pushing themself to stay on top of them. I think
overall Jeff makes a nice cue for a super fair price, but he reserves the right to work
at his own pace, charge what he wants, and refuse a down payment if he feels it would
implicate drama. When you own your own business you earn these rights, and to expect
and demand him to do things your way is impractical. What I think happened here was
Jeff being irritated and tired of waiting for a customer who was establishing a pattern
of delays, combined with the fact that he had someone in the shop who adored the cue
and was ready and eager to pay cash for it. I can't help but wonder if there was any
animosity between these two prior to this happening. I have to assume there is.

I hope you guys can figure out a way to get this resolved, but I am not sure how. Both
parties are equally "out" of something, which is oddly a good thing. Luck1st is out a
nice cue, and Jeff is out at least one repeat customer. The good news is both can move
on with their lives, and so can we!

Interesting post with some good points. However, I really don't see any fence to be on in this case. Was the OP rude by not coming when he said he would be there Sunday night...Certainly. However, that was not even remotely close to a legitimate reason to sell a cue he had been waiting on for years that was itself behind schedule. Also remember that he did originally put money down on the cue that was eventually put towards something else as Jeff's idea. Also, five days from the original date he was told it was done on is hardly the runaround. I myself have a very busy family life where I coach my kids teams and often have family things already planned for the next week that would stop me from getting anywhere more than a few minutes from my house, and remember that the 45 minutes is one way.

This situation, while there were some apparent faults on both sides, in no way ever warranted the selling of the OP's cue as described. IMHO, you have to be looking really hard to find a way to justify it. I won't speculate why he did it, but his best bet is to come on here and explain why he did it, offer an apology, make it as right as he can at this point, and say that he made a mistake, which everyone is allowed at some point. Again, IMHO, his response on here has hurt him more than helped. He not only confirmed the OP's report, but still tried to justify the actions, and in posts that were very difficult to even understand. I do not know him in any way shape or form, so I will make no statement about him. However, while he is apparently a highly talented cue maker, I myself would not order a cue from him solely due to what has gone down in this thread. If he came on here and apologized for a mistake he made, I would rethink that last statement.
 
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