Jerry Rauenzahn

runscott said:
Jim, I'm going to respond to your comments.

1. First, when someone asks a question, responding with "you have no clue" the "kick in the crotch" I was referring to earlier - JMO.

OK before I just felt bad for you, now I'm mad. You're a liar and a fool, I just reread everything I posted in this thread (I hate to read, this is why I'm mad) You made a claim that I kicked you in the nuts. I never insulted you with my advice and when you claimed I did and now are trying to use the post AFTER yours as your proof. I'm glad that you used a post from the future as the reason for your post.

Obviously, I DO want advice, or I wouldn't have asked for it.

You asked for it and got it and were very quick to ignore it (up until now).

My request for advice had nothing to do with any plans to buy "an expensive cue", so your comment makes no sense.

My comments on this were that it doesn't matter how much you spend on a cue you should educate yourself, people agreed yet you still missed that point. You were too busy trying to let us all know you had plenty of money.

It made sense to me to get someone to actually hold the cue and look at it, in ADDITION to asking questions on this forum

Sounds like a good course of action *IF* you're going to listen to the advice.

- I took it to someone who collects high-end cues, because it made sense to me that he would have good advice. It sounds like I was wrong about this.

Fast and Loose said it best in his post.

2. You are right, several have told me this, the most recent being Fred. If you don't understand why I appreciate his advice, and question yours, then go back and re-read his response. I have also found positive posts in this forum regarding Rauenzahn's work, especially from "Shorty" and "Bamacues" - Knowing none of you, why should I completely ignore there opinions?

Shorty is new to cues and despite that even he told you there was something wrong with it, along with Zack (also new) Bama,Fred,and Marcus, you ignored them all and in post #42 you claimed you weren't sending it back. SO you asked for advice and ignored it, thus my Have a nice life post. IMO you were wasting all of our time.

3. Yes, I love my cue - it hits great and is beautiful, but as I described, I can feel the points, and as others have responded, this "isn't right".

I didn't see one post from anyone claiming it was normal or OK.

No I don't "love" the maker of this cue, but I do like the two that I own.

Although you tried in this very thread to buy 2 more from the guy who won them on e-bay, even though from all accounts the cue you got was defective, once again ignoring almost everyone's advice. One more tip that maybe you are nothing but a shill (reminds me, Buy Murrell cues.)

Would I buy more? Yes.

Of course you tried to in post #51.

Other board members (Bamacues, Shorty to name two) have given Jerry's cues great reviews, so it's possible that mine is an anomaly.

They both also told you that it was defective, I think one even said send it back or call (if not both), but you chose to pick and choose what part of their opinions to listen to and what part to ignore.

4. Where in heck did you come up with this? Never? I don't have plans to send it back because I'm playing with it daily and the points problem isn't bothering me - I simply wanted to understand the problem.

I guess things change , after reading your next post.

I may eventually send it back, but I seriously doubt it. Probably would only happen if I order an additional shaft, in which case he would need the butt anyway.

Most cuemakers don't need a butt to make another shaft, but of course this is more info you don't need unless you decide to buy more expensive cues ;-)

5. I'm not mad at you - flaming is a common feature of internet forums and I know that if I'm going to participate, I've got to expect a few people like you. I also know that most people are completely different in person, so it's no big deal.

I am mad at you, and mostly because I never flamed you anywhere in this post, stop making false claims. I am also different in person, but not in this case.

Your last paragraph is just a pile of insults, but I'll address some of it. First of all, some might consider me a moron for even responding to you.

And most who read this will consider you to be stubborn (you admitted it in post #16, but we didn't think you were wasting our time.

Shill? Where did you get that? My ebay seller id is "runscott", my bidder id is "a_clever_base_ballist". Do your homework - check the recent Rauenzahn auctions and look for my bids...you won't find many (if any) except on the one I bought.

A shill is someone who comes here asking about a cuemaker that they already know about and may already own a cue from (you qualify for both) They do so to get the person's name out there. It wasn't an e-bay reference. Think Duke with DZ or MattStanton with Murrell, they just push these guys as the best and the reason for it is to sell cues they own. You also tried to buy more cues even after everyone told you the one you already owned was bad. What normal person would WANT 9beg even) to buy more cues when the one they had was defective??? Makes me wonder.

I offered to buy Hondo's for reasons already explained in my original reply to his post. I thought this was a good thing.

Yeah, it's great except when people all tell you the guy made a bad cue, then wanting more substandard cues is just odd.

Close-minded? Why in hell am I posting on this forum where I'm getting flamed, if I was too close-minded to want to learn?

Because you weren't getting flamed (until now maybe) and you ignored all advice and you claimed you only wanted to educate yourself when and if you decided to spend more money on cues, but as long as you bought cheap ones education wasn't important. That to me is a close minded way to go through life IMO of course.

I think I've gotten all the information I'm going to from this thread, and I have nothing further to add. If you feel like more arguing, do it by email - this just makes both of us look like children.

Most here already think I'm a child. and I'm not arguing with you or flaming you, just explaining myself. I have no reason to e-mail you. I hope the guy stands behind his work and you get the cue back perfect, good luck.

Jim
 
runscott said:
Okay, just to show I AM listening, and heeding your advice, I just called Jerry and I'm sending the butt back for him to refinish. At the risk of being labeled a moron, let me ask this - since this cue is second-hand, is it possible that the previous owner could have exposed it to heat or moisture? (left it in a hot car, etc.) And if so, could this have caused the points to come out a small amount?

But, no, I don't want to send the cue back - I play almost daily and this is my playing cue, but it's going out in tomorrow's mail :(

I don't think anyone calls a person a moron for asking a question, but when you ask then ignore everyone's advice well...

As far as mistreatment goes, well IMO it doesn't matter in this case.
Points will not pop unless the wood used isn't ready to be used (wet) or the glue is bad, IMO both things a cuemaker should stand behind. As well as moisture, the cue should be sealed and unless it's been under water for a while it shouldn't matter. I believe this to be a finish problem, if it's as slight as you explained, if it were worse the cue would be very warped. In any event I believe the guy (being new) will not want his work out there like this and will refinish it and you'll be happier with it, as I've already said Good Luck, and I have no plans for Atlanta, sorry.

Jim
 
Runscott.....it is unfortunate that this thread took on the direction that it did. At any rate, I am glad you called Jerry. I feel certain you will be very happy in the end.

As for comments regarding Jerry Rauenzahn as a "new cuemaker", remember that he has been in the Blue Book for a long time, and has been making cues since the mid 70's....that is not "new". He has an outstanding reputation and has often been compared with Timmy Scruggs for the quality of his workmanship. That being said, I don't think you will find ANY cuemaker who has a perfect record...things happen.
 
Bamacues said:
Runscott.....it is unfortunate that this thread took on the direction that it did. At any rate, I am glad you called Jerry. I feel certain you will be very happy in the end.

As for comments regarding Jerry Rauenzahn as a "new cuemaker", remember that he has been in the Blue Book for a long time, and has been making cues since the mid 70's....that is not "new". He has an outstanding reputation and has often been compared with Timmy Scruggs for the quality of his workmanship. That being said, I don't think you will find ANY cuemaker who has a perfect record...things happen.
Bama, when I spoke with Jerry earlier, I described some of the crap posted in this forum (I'm talking about the unproductive stuff) and we had a very pleasant and interesting conversation I asked him to just look at the cue and refinish if he thought it was necessary, and I'd send a check. He was incredibly personable and wasn't the least bit offended by any of it. You have to consider the source.
 
Raised Points

I have seen many cues where the points raise a little. I think if you go from a dry climate like Las Vegas to Houston they have a good chance of that happening.
I had a custom cue made in Chicago in the 80's and moved from seattle to Houston and the points raised and then the cue came apart, but it had a lifetime guarantee, so it was fixed and then the maked expired.
I wouldn't call it a defect and if you like it thats all that matters.
 
Bamacues said:
Runscott.....it is unfortunate that this thread took on the direction that it did.

I don't think you will find ANY cuemaker who has a perfect record...things happen.


Well, 2 statements here, one couldn't be more true, the other just really doesn't make sense. I don't think it took any unfortunate turn. What I think is unfortunate is that Runscott didn't learn anything and that the Gimme the 8 guy doesn't think it's a defect even after reading all these posts. I'm not trying to be mean in any way, I'm just confused as all hell to this whole thing. But I would agree that it would be hard to find a cuemaker that has a perfect record. As for your line about Scruggs and Jerry being on the same level... Well it's far from true, but when the truth is spoken it's never taken well here.

Jim
 
runscott said:
Bama, when I spoke with Jerry earlier, I described some of the crap posted in this forum (I'm talking about the unproductive stuff)

I really wish you would have learned something and just questioned him on the cue, but I guess since your choice was to not listen and learn that would have made to much sense.

and we had a very pleasant and interesting conversation I asked him to just look at the cue and refinish if he thought it was necessary, and I'd send a check.

Again your choice was to walk away from this whole thing ignoring what EVERYONE told you, it really does confuse me, I swear I don't mean to rude, I just don't understand someone like you.

He was incredibly personable and wasn't the least bit offended by any of it. You have to consider the source.

You would have to consider the source, except neither of you know the source, so that makes it impossible, not to mention the source was everyone. I find it real funny that when given a chance to get the education directly from the source (the maker) you choice was to talk about your interpretation of this thread instead of just learning from him. You had a golden opportunity there and just blew it, you really don't care to learn at all. I really feel bad that you somehow took my posts to be insulting, but I feel worse that you really didn't learn a thing here, not just from me, but from guys like Fred, and Marcus who know what the hell they are talking about not to mention guys like Bama and shorty who you claim to like. I really don't care if you like me or not, I don't come here to make friends it's just sad when a person doesn't educate themselves. because now you're no better off then when you came here and you really wasted many people's time. I think the worst thing for the cue market is uneducated consumers, I've said this many times to a lot of the top cue makers today. I know I'm not the one to do it nor should I be, but it's just sad to see just how hard it would be. I guess I can say I tried, but that really isn't saying much.

Jim
 
JimBo said:
Well, 2 statements here, one couldn't be more true, the other just really doesn't make sense. I don't think it took any unfortunate turn. What I think is unfortunate is that Runscott didn't learn anything and that the Gimme the 8 guy doesn't think it's a defect even after reading all these posts. I'm not trying to be mean in any way, I'm just confused as all hell to this whole thing. But I would agree that it would be hard to find a cuemaker that has a perfect record. As for your line about Scruggs and Jerry being on the same level... Well it's far from true, but when the truth is spoken it's never taken well here.

Jim

What I said was that the quality of their (Scruggs/Rauenzahn) workmanship was often compared, ie, sharpness of points, quality of construction. Call Timmy and ask him if he thinks Jerry makes a good quality cue for the money. I think you will find that he will have nothing but good things to say about him. Jerry survived in a very small market for a very long time. A great many cuemakers have come and gone in much less time. As Fred (I believe) said, you don't survive very long in this business by making crap.
 
runscott said:
- since this cue is second-hand, is it possible that the previous owner could have exposed it to heat or moisture? (left it in a hot car, etc.) And if so, could this have caused the points to come out a small amount? l :(

It certainly is possible, but someone would have to store their cue in the car. I think all of us have left a cue in the car for a period of several hours. I don't have any that had points popping just because of that.

I'd be interested to hear what Jerry has to say. Every cue that I've had that had a hint of movement*, the cuemaker has immediately said that he'd refinish it. This normally happens with metal rings in cues, which simply expands at differerent rates than wood. But for wood points to pop, that's usually either a Meucci-type occurrence, or a Las Vegas to Florida cue.

Fred

* the excepetion is my Meucci which has horrible point popping. I never asked them to refinish it. I don't know if anyone has ever asked.
 
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Gimme The 8 said:
I have seen many cues where the points raise a little. I think if you go from a dry climate like Las Vegas to Houston they have a good chance of that happening.
I had a custom cue made in Chicago in the 80's and moved from seattle to Houston and the points raised and then the cue came apart, but it had a lifetime guarantee, so it was fixed and then the maked expired.
I wouldn't call it a defect and if you like it thats all that matters.
When I spoke with Jerry he mentioned a guy leaving a cue in his trunk with a wet towel. I've also talked with other folks who said the same thing you did about moving a cue to a drastically different climate - one told me that the climate change can cause the points to come out a touch, but they would eventually settle back.
 
Bamacues said:
Runscott.....it is unfortunate that this thread took on the direction that it did. At any rate, I am glad you called Jerry..

I don't think it's unfortunate at all. I don't think runscott would have called Jerry if the threads didn't take the current direction. I think runscott got the education he was looking for.

And by calling Jerry, maybe Jerry can protect his product's reputation.

Fred
 
runscott said:
Bama, when I spoke with Jerry earlier, I described some of the crap posted in this forum (I'm talking about the unproductive stuff) and we had a very pleasant and interesting conversation


Wait a minute. What unproductive stuff? Isn't everything that happened here productive? Did you not get the education you were looking for? Did you not go down a path that would correct your cue's condition? What happened that was non-productive? That you didn't listen to the advice until someone slapped you on the wrist and woke you up? I'm sorry man, but if it took someone to rattle your cage so that you'd actually heed the advice, then that's what happend and you should be thankful for it.



runscott said:
I asked him to just look at the cue and refinish if he thought it was necessary, and I'd send a check. He was incredibly personable and wasn't the least bit offended by any of it. You have to consider the source.
I think most of us were hoping that he wouldn't be offended by it. I'd hate to think that you gave him an impression of this board that was simply untrue.

Fred
 
Fred Agnir said:
I don't think it's unfortunate at all. I don't think runscott would have called Jerry if the threads didn't take the current direction. I think runscott got the education he was looking for.

And by calling Jerry, maybe Jerry can protect his product's reputation.

Fred
Well-said. Honestly, I was very nervous about calling him yesterday, but I did it for exactly the reason you mentioned. I had just posted a response to Jimbo, then said screw it and reached over and grabbed the phone.

Jerry was a very happy, personable guy, and I really enjoyed the conversation - he talked about Atlanta-area pool halls, Texas pool halls, some of the old players, cue-making, etc. I hope I get more opportunities to talk with him and other folks who have been involved in cue-making and pool for a long time.
 
Fred Agnir said:
Wait a minute. What unproductive stuff? Isn't everything that happened here productive? Did you not get the education you were looking for? Did you not go down a path that would correct your cue's condition? What happened that was non-productive? That you didn't listen to the advice until someone slapped you on the wrist and woke you up? I'm sorry man, but if it took someone to rattle your cage so that you'd actually heed the advice, then that's what happend and you should be thankful for it.



I think most of us were hoping that he wouldn't be offended by it. I'd hate to think that you gave him an impression of this board that was simply untrue.

Fred
Fred, the unproductive stuff was the insults and misquotes from Jimbo...period. I don't appreciate that stuff and I won't respond to it in the future.

As I have said repeatedly, I'm thankful for all the advice I've gotten, both on this board, and from others that I've shown the cue to, and contrary to your beliefs, I have been listening since the very first post - I'm here to learn and I'm surprised you think I was sleeping the entire time and needed Jimbo's insults to "wake me up". I don't need anyone's insults.

After hearing enough advice and understanding the situation, I completely agree that the cue has a problem, but I also think it's minor, it doesn't affect playability, and the cue is not going to "fall apart" as some have hinted. Agreed, I would not have called Jerry about it any time soon if I had not been participating in these board exchanges, but I felt that this "conversation" wasn't going to be resolved until I sent it in, and I needed to either do that or walk away from this thread. I think several people here were interested (at least slightly) in an outcome, and I had the "new shaft" excuse for mailing off the butt anyway. So it's done, and I'll report back when I have more information.

As far as "misrepresenting" this board - I don't lie about anything. I also have participated on enough public forums to know that none are troublemaker-free, and I'll do my best not to be one of those. If I didn't enjoy this forum and think it was exceptional, I wouldn't be here.
 
runscott said:
Fred, the unproductive stuff was the insults and misquotes from Jimbo...period. I don't appreciate that stuff and I won't respond to it in the future. .

I don't think anyone would appreciate it. However, if you go back to this thread, on Page 3 and carefully read each post, you will not find one insult to you or misquote from JimBo. Your response of "kick in the crotch," was the first hint that you were getting pissed off, yet I don't see one low blow from JimBo. Maybe you expected one, even though one never came???

Posts after page 3 don't matter, since you were already getting pissed off. And remember, you responded to one of my posts and had to delete since you read it out of context, apparently. I didn't see your deleted post, so I have no idea what it was, but I'll guess you went off on something you thought I said or you thought I meant?

Again, read page 3 again, thoroughly. You won't find the misquotes and insults you are reporting.

Fred
 
Fred Agnir said:
I don't think anyone would appreciate it. However, if you go back to this thread, on Page 3 and carefully read each post, you will not find one insult to you or misquote from JimBo. Your response of "kick in the crotch," was the first hint that you were getting pissed off, yet I don't see one low blow from JimBo. Maybe you expected one, even though one never came???

Posts after page 3 don't matter, since you were already getting pissed off. And remember, you responded to one of my posts and had to delete since you read it out of context, apparently. I didn't see your deleted post, so I have no idea what it was, but I'll guess you went off on something you thought I said or you thought I meant?

Again, read page 3 again, thoroughly. You won't find the misquotes and insults you are reporting.

Fred

Fred, I'm the newbie here and I totally understand the situation - Jim has "earned" the right to insult whoever he wants and if I don't like it, then I can leave. Okay, thanks - I'm gone.

Bama, etc. - if any of you are curious how the cue situation ends, send me an email in about a month and I'll give you the update. Thanks again everyone for the advice - hope to see you in other threads.
 
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runscott said:
Fred, I'm the newbie here and I totally understand the situation - Jim has "earned" the right to insult whoever he wants and if I don't like it, then I can leave. Okay, thanks - I'm gone.

That's simply not true. He insults plenty of people, and deserves all the bitchin' at him. What I'm pointing out is that it's not what happened in this case. Did you read Page 3 as I suggested???

Fred
 
JimBo said:
Most here already think I'm a child. and I'm not arguing with you or flaming you, just explaining myself. I have no reason to e-mail you. I hope the guy stands behind his work and you get the cue back perfect, good luck.

Jim



Jim, just a question, don't get mad at me. Are you on
the same medication as my buddy, Fast Larry?
 
Dead on, Fred. I've always felt a lot of love on this board.



I think most of us were hoping that he wouldn't be offended by it. I'd hate to think that you gave him an impression of this board that was simply untrue.

Fred[/QUOTE]
 
runscott said:
Well-said. Honestly, I was very nervous about calling him yesterday, but I did it for exactly the reason you mentioned. I had just posted a response to Jimbo, then said screw it and reached over and grabbed the phone.

Jerry was a very happy, personable guy, and I really enjoyed the conversation - he talked about Atlanta-area pool halls, Texas pool halls, some of the old players, cue-making, etc. I hope I get more opportunities to talk with him and other folks who have been involved in cue-making and pool for a long time.


You didn't happen to mention green cues, did you?
 
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