The Pocket Fisherman has been on sale for the low,low price of $19.99 for 30 years.
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The Pocket Fisherman has been on sale for the low,low price of $19.99 for 30 years.
I bought an Acme case and I'm very happy with it. I needed another case like I need a hole in the head, but I have always liked Barton's Red/Black combo simple case, I think in nylon material. However, he and I have had a lot of back and forth over the years on here, I did not want to give Barton any of my money. I also didn't want to spend 200 and change. When I went to the DCC 2 years ago and saw the Acme case, I chuckled inside, that they knocked off Barton. So I went to check them out at the booth, and I thought they were great! The price was also right for me at 100 and change for a simple 2x4. I bought it on the way out from the DCC, transferred all of my cues into it on the spot, and walked to my car to drive back to Atlanta laughing out loud at the whole situation.
YMMV
I'm too exhausted to read the entire thread....
Can someone give me a Cliff's notes version?
Is JB really banned from US Open or was this rumor?
Mike challenged me to a 20k lie detector bet. I raised to 50k. He called. We went and got money. I followed him to a lawyer of his choice. Wrong lawyer.
Some arguing.
I said I am leaving and if you figure it out call me.
He then claimed I hit him and made a police report without me present.
US Open and APA banned me personally from their venues based on the bogus report.
I will see him in court where he will have to answer for the crimes he has committed.
Doesn't that mean dead money players can make up accusations against elite players to get them banned so that dead money can win the US Open ?
That is if they have a lot of free time on their hands
LOL, damn first Lou for 10, then Mike for 50, just curious when we playing bud?
Mike didn't win. And he is now at risk for losing much more than that.
If you want to bet on something I have a dead lock on winning then you're certainly welcome to tilt at that windmill.
As for playing pool for big money, that's out of my system. I have pretty much quit gambling on pool because it's a type of activity that doesn't turn a profit at the end and the time lost is never recovered. I did it and can say I did it but that "thrill" is gone.
That may be however , its something you see everyday, car companies do it all the time , or soft drinks , we did a blind fold test and Coke won , its a very slippery slope to prove many try very few win
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I accuse every player at the US Open except me of hitting me.I guess when they are proved innocent they can play again.
How is the retail price fake? All my life, I've seen things advertised "retail" for 200, and yet the "street price" was 100 or 150. This is true for almost every product under the sun. If that is your beef, then you'd have to fight all of retail all over the world. Everyone knows MSRP means nothing.
In your FB video you state if he sold the cases he "retails" at 200 for a street price of 150 (instead of his current street price of 100), you'd have no beef. I call BS. Something else is going on. You are probably pissed off he knocked you off, or, something else happened between the two of you. If this is truly over a $50 difference of street price on a 200 "retail" case, well that is nuts.
Since this is all public now, I'm curious what was the extent of the altercation between you two. You say you did not touch him. What does he say? What does the police report say? He must have been mighty pissed to file a police report, AND also seek out two separate venue promoters and convince the promoters to kick you out. Hell, I've never even heard of such a thing, where a guy can call up a venue promoter and get a competitor kicked out. There must be WAY WAY WAY more to this story than you are letting on.
Also in your FB video you had a link to an older one I saw, where you asked a muscle guy wearing a superman shirt to try to rip off the zippers on your case, and on an Acme case. The guy ripped off the zipper ON YOUR CASE just as easily as the Acme case. Then you gave him a new JB case, and said try this one, and that one was indeed harder and he could not rip it off. And then you spun that as to say, well we at JB are always improving, and this zipper of ours you easily ripped off is no longer on our cases. Well that may be the case, but how many years DID you use that zipper? And so what if Acme is using a similar strength zipper. If it was good enough for your cases for X years, then its good enough for Acme.
Hell, about every bag I have from luggage to gym bags to old pool cue cases, some of the zippers fail. Great on you to improve them, but its par for the course in the entire zipper industry for them to eventually fail.
We don't need you to look out for us with zipper quality, or protection from retail price abuse. We can take care of ourselves. Thank you.
In the consumer industry, its usually more like a 3:1 ratio. So if the better zipper cost the manufacturer $5 extra, the price increase to the end consumer is more like $15.
I appreciate when a product is being constantly refined. That counts even more with zippers and fasteners. Nothing irritates me more than a 300 dollar bag that's useless to me now because they saved 5 bucks on zippers, just charge me 305 and give me the good ones.
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And go to any store in the world where they sell jewelry and you'll see signs everywhere saying 30%, 40%, 50%, etc...off....everyday of the week all year long.
The shit is never worth what they claim the "original" price is. It is marked up and then marketed as being on sale, so you will think you are getting a deal.
If anyone thinks that John is acting in anyone's best interests but his own, you don't know John. He's decided to go full loon again, and is now grasping at straws for justification.
Ask yourself this. Let's say two casemakers were to get into some internet beef, or trade show altercation. And I gave you 2 to 1 odds on your money that you had to guess one of the participants. Who's your first guess? The guy is a drama magnet.
True dat. His cases also give those Wile E. Coyote cases the 5-ball, at least.
That depends on perspective. I have never had a case with broken zippers. I also respect my personal property, so a standard tube case has worked fine for me. I have never needed my cues snugly held by my case so that I can open it upside down and shake it. I don't twist the zipper tags. And I don't go full Star Wars kid in swinging a case around my head.
So, if you see that value in his cases, more power to you. I don't. I see a guy filling a niche, which is fine. But to say he builds a better case than brand X is purely opinion, and not fact. A case, by design, is made to hold a cue. That's all. I have never needed any of his protective features, and for me, they hamper what I feel makes a good case. But again, that's my opinion. Not everyone likes chocolate ice cream. John builds a great case. So does Acme. I wish he'd spend more time just building his product and letting his quality sell itself, than these stupid tirades that just had to his legacy of lunacy.
At the end of the day, isn't an item's value equivalent to what consumers are willing to pay for it?
Barton makes a good, cool product. That's an opinion. Is it a product that a LOT of pool players are using, and have good reviews on? That's a fact. Is this Acme stuff clearly a sell out version? That's for everyone to draw their own conclusions.
I don't pay much attention to what he says or does if it's not about his product, but that's just me.
- D-D>>> proud JB owner
Your post makes a lot of sense. Nothing at all has been presented here. However, I suspect the Open did not take action without either physical evidence or witnesses to the act. There is also the question of where the incident took place even if just a shouting match. Did John seek out Mike or vice versa? If it happened at one or the other's booth then the one coming to the other's location is well on his way to being in the wrong. Every incident on my business property went in my favor when the law arrived.
The immediate banning from that event and the next week's event makes me think that there was more to the incident than has been posted here. Banning of someone a week in advance seems odd and worth noting that john was banned from the APA event, not JB Cases. The business can be there, john can't. That speaks pretty loudly!
I think when and if we hear the other side of the story the bannings will seem most reasonable. I am sure john has the dubious distinction of being the most banned member of AZB!
Hu
Hey Kid,
How are you doing?
John and Karen posted a picture of their booth at the APA event. Hope it was for real!
Lyn
The accuser did file a police report. That is JB’s other main contention (besides the case quality/price drama), that the accuser filed a FALSE police report.
I would have given you a discount for the silly bet you made and lost to me.
Thanks for adding to the evidence I need to prove it's a knockoff. Sometimes in jurisprudence you have to prove what everyone already knows.
ha ha. If you give me a price to buy out of the Siming bet, I'm in I made a bad bet there.
When I bought the Acme case, I asked the guy are these the same as JB cases. He said no, they designed them themselves. I don't remember who the salesman was, I might have even talked to two different ones, I forget.
So how long does it take to get some of your case accessories shipped out once the order is placed? And John stop feeding the trolls, let your cases do the talking....
Most of the time a couple days but once in a while they get neglected and lost.
Message me on FB or otherwise (not here) with the last four of your order # and I will look it up if you have an order in with us.
As for cases doing the talking. I understand but I just can't depend on people to know the differences by themselves. Truly, you can't imagine the number of people who tell us at shows that the acme cases are just as good until they take the time and are shown exactly how our cases are built. When others tell lies about their goods then I have to speak up for our cases. ;-)
I will let you out of the Siming bet for nothing. I am glad you are at least convinced that she can play. Also, I had forgotten about that bet.
The way we understand it is that what people are told there varies greatly. Yesterday two friends went to their booth separately and one friend was told that the warranty was 180 days and the other one was told it is lifetime. The first friend bought one of our cases and they reported these conversations. I have no way of knowing if it's true or not or there was miscommunication. I have heard that they said a few years ago that the ACME cases were made in the same factory as JB Cases. (JB Cases are not made in a factory and no other brands are made in our workshop)
And of course they are going to say they designed the cases....very few people will have the sack to say that they are selling knockoffs. As well the owner of that company sat across from me at dinner two years ago and said point blank that they are not knockoffs. I said even my four year old can see that they are knockoffs. So maybe the owner's delusion on that point has translated into de facto policy for the staff if asked about design provenance.
Thank you. Yes, I now think her rating is correct after watching her play several times. I will mail you a donation check next week. Maybe you can use it for your juniors training....
You can depend on anyone who knows anything or anybody who is going to spend $200 plus on a case to know the difference.
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