John Davis cues lowballed

hangemhigh

hangemhigh

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How infurating it must be for all of the people who ordered a cue in good faith from John Davis to see one of his new cues advertised here for less than he charged them to make one. I was cojoled into getting in on the bottom floor,his cues would surley increase in value and now before I even receive mine the price is dropping. I did not buy the cue to make a fast buck like some lousy cue pimp,and I hate the fact that John has fallen prey to such lurking dollar general flippers.:mad:http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=61061
 
its very well possible that they need the money and placed the price so good its almost garenteed to sell.. the worste part is there will probably still be those people who try and talk him down even lower.. i doubt they are trying to flip their davis cue for a fast buck.. they probably are even loosing money on it.. its a great cue and now at a great price.. so one person will get one alittle lower then everybody esle.. i think it would be different if he had like 5 of them for less then what john charges..

chris
 
I can only applaud the others who have sold John Davis' cues here. They had the tact and class not to publically destroy the value of their cue. This incident has done nothing for the value or the creditability of John Davis cues. If he is a sell at $1200 he paid less and that hits me right in the gut because I realise now I was taken to the cleaners.I don't care what reason he might have for devaluing John Davis' work,probally even acted like he was helping him,but he has single-handedly trashed the value of the cues.
 
First off, John is a good friend of mine, so I certainly don't want to trash the market. I should explain about this cue, My Mistake, This is a John Davis cue, However, it has a handrubbed finish, not done by John, It has an Ivorine 3 Joint as opposed to John's Usual Ivory Joint, plus this cue does not have Ivory on the Shaft Collars, John's usual cues do and Johns cue usually have Ivory Ferrules, this one does not. So do the math, and you'll find it's easy to see the difference in prices. That's my mistake, I don't want to get into another AZ pissing contest, which seems to be what alot of members use it for. Wouldn't a simple, maybe you're hurting the market have sufficed and been more professional than saying that I'm TRASHING the Market? Greg
 
hangemhigh said:
I can only applaud the others who have sold John Davis' cues here. They had the tact and class not to publically destroy the value of their cue. This incident has done nothing for the value or the creditability of John Davis cues. If he is a sell at $1200 he paid less and that hits me right in the gut because I realise now I was taken to the cleaners.I don't care what reason he might have for devaluing John Davis' work,probally even acted like he was helping him,but he has single-handedly trashed the value of the cues.
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Does your cue have an ivory joint and ferrules and collars for the $1400? Was your cue finished with a clear coat by John? or hand rubbed by someone else? Those are two things the seller pointed out to you about why the price may be different ($200 difference). Are all John Davis cues supposed to be $1400? It seems to me if the price was the same for all cues, and I was the one that didn't have the ivory in the cue, I might be a little upset.

Kelly
 
hangemhigh said:
How infurating it must be for all of the people who ordered a cue in good faith from John Davis to see one of his new cues advertised here for less than he charged them to make one. I was cojoled into getting in on the bottom floor,his cues would surley increase in value and now before I even receive mine the price is dropping. I did not buy the cue to make a fast buck like some lousy cue pimp,and I hate the fact that John has fallen prey to such lurking dollar general flippers.:mad:http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=61061
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Sorry to hear you were 'cojoled' - that must have hurt.

Seriously, I've seen Greg take more than a few hits on cues, and he is not a dealer trying to make a fast buck. If that concerns you about AZ'ers, then I'm sure there are plenty here disappointing you on a regular basis.
 
Judging by Howards reply, he stated a very fair price. $200 difference is NOTHING to get your panties in a bunch over. Not when you are talking a 1K+ cue. JMHO
 
I dont see how selling one cue below what you paid for a new one is trashing the market. Your post seems pretty bold to me. If one Southwest or Black Boar goes cheap it doesnt do anything to the long term value of all there cues. I think you owe this guy a apology for being a jerk. But thats just my opinion. To post on a thread of a cue he is selling is total crap.
 
hoosier_cues said:
I dont see how selling one cue below what you paid for a new one is trashing the market. Your post seems pretty bold to me. If one Southwest or Black Boar goes cheap it doesnt do anything to the long term value of all there cues. I think you owe this guy a apology for being a jerk. But thats just my opinion. To post on a thread of a cue he is selling is total crap.
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Somebody say "Black Boar going cheap??!!" WHERE, WHERE, WHERE!!!!!!! :) :)

Gotta agree, sir. The cue's been "used" for a small bit, and the ferrules, joint, and finish are not John's "standard." That justifies the price break, to me.

I have one on order with Mr. Davis, too. What I paid for it is my business....as is what I would sell it for, if/when I do. Doing so doesn't kill the market, in my opinion.....not if I sell to somebody who doesn't rob me on it, and if I'm happy with the price I get.

Besides...there have been a TON of deals on cues around here that were flat-out smokin'.........and nobody has a right to tell somebody else what to sell their cue for. Period.
 
Some cuemakers...

Joe Koontz said:
Judging by Howards reply, he stated a very fair price. $200 difference is NOTHING to get your panties in a bunch over. Not when you are talking a 1K+ cue. JMHO
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charge $250 for an ivory joint and $75 each for Ivory ferrules.
 
8-ball Rat said:
Somebody say "Black Boar going cheap??!!" WHERE, WHERE, WHERE!!!!!!! :) :)

Gotta agree, sir. The cue's been "used" for a small bit, and the ferrules, joint, and finish are not John's "standard." That justifies the price break, to me.

I have one on order with Mr. Davis, too. What I paid for it is my business....as is what I would sell it for, if/when I do. Doing so doesn't kill the market, in my opinion.....not if I sell to somebody who doesn't rob me on it, and if I'm happy with the price I get.

Besides...there have been a TON of deals on cues around here that were flat-out smokin'.........and nobody has a right to tell somebody else what to sell their cue for. Period.
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LOL. DOWN BOY! Sorry to get you all worked up,,,,lol
 
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What 8-Ball said an could an apology be in order for trashing someones sale. Don't worry about the cleaners if your ebony Mcdaniels was a good buy at $1000 your John Davis will be a steal at $1400.
Pinocchio
 
Well for all of you appologists here I can only state the facts.

When I placed my order Mr. Davis said his base cue was $1400.00.
Prices for different options go up from there.

The problem is that the cue was listed as a John Davis cue,when in fact it is not.This comes to light only after I blew a gasket over the listing. Someone else finished the cue. Did John Davis do the shaft work? The wrap? This is a misrepresentation of John Davis' work if what he said is true. I can handle a cue made with a John Davis blank,just state so upfront.
 
THIS WILL BE MY LAST REPLY, THE ONLY THING NOT DONE BY JOHN ON THIS CUE IS THE FINISH & HE DIDN'T PUT THE COLLARS ON THE SHAFTS, HOWEVER THEY WERE MADE BY HIM. JOHN GAVE ME PERMISSION TO SELL THIS CUE AS MADE BY HIMSELF, AS A JOHN DAVIS CUE. I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THAT THE CUE WAS FINISHED BY SOMEONE ELSE AND BELIEVE ME, BEFORE ANY TRANSACTION WAS COMPLETED THE BUYER WOULD HAVE BEEN INFORMED OF THIS FACT, HOW I ACQUIRED IT AND WHAT I PAID FOR IT IS MY BUSINESS. YET ONCE AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE FOR ANY MISUNDERSTANDING. I MAKE MISTAKES LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DOES, BUT APPARENTLY, NOT EVERYONE ON THIS FORUM IS WILLING TO ADMIT THEIR MISTAKES AND SAY THINGS THAT SHOULDN'T BE SAID. TO FINISH, YOU'RE WRONG AGAIN, THIS IS A JOHN DAVIS CUE, MADE BY JOHN DAVIS.
 
Sounds Like You've Done John A Favor!

WRONG AGAIN, THE CUE NEVER HAD A FINISH!! AND WHAT'S THAT GOT TO DO WITH ANYTHING? I'M DONE WASTING MY TIME ON THIS REDICULOUS THREAD!! GOOD BYE :eek: :eek: :eek: :confused:
 
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When you order a cue from a builder you pay a premium. You order exactly what you want and the specs you prefer and that is not what a dealer does. They buy sometimes what is available and they own it for better or worse. They put their money where their mouth is and anty up. And builders cater to these buyers and usually befriend them.
You ordered a cue custom at a fair price and this cue has absolutely nothing to do with any of that.
The value of your custom ordered cue to you should be iindependant to this cue especially because it is not your custom order. The fact is that you ordered exactly what you wanted. That is always extra!
How can you complain that you are not happy with your "private" dealings with any cuemaker when you made the deal that you must have been very happy with it.
You got the best deal Mr. Davis could give to you or anyone in your position.
Nick :)
 
I was not happy because Mr. Davis quoted me his base cue at $1400.00. To see another base cue for less pained me.That is how I could and did complain. If the cue had not been mis-represented in the first place none of this would have occured from my standpoint. I have since been informed by the seller that the cue was not a "new John Davis" as stated in his post,but a hybrid with a John Davis blank without an official name. The finisher of the cue is unknown, the person who did the work on the shafts is unknown,and the cue was offered for sale previously and obivously had a finish in that post that is different than the one it has now. I hope this clears up any confusion you might have had in regards to my angst.
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