I've always shot to the biggest part of the pocket. I'm more aware of my cueing rather than fine tuning my aim.
Best,
Mike
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I've always shot to the biggest part of the pocket. I'm more aware of my cueing rather than fine tuning my aim.
Best,
Mike
splitting hairs in "forum world"
So now your position is that I'm indirectly making a profit off of every word I say? That's clever, thanks
So now your position is that I'm indirectly making a profit off of every word I say? That's clever, thanks
I venture a guess that there are more bar table players (Brunswick bucket pockets) that would benefit from his advise...if they lurk here in this forum.
9 foot Diamond tables with shimmed 4.125" wide pockets require precise aiming, and if you kiss the rail, you miss or sell out.
All in all though it's worth a try.
Does the 3 pocket system work on snooker tables?
This is some deep stuff.
Some of us are just going to be happy we make the ball.I didnt realize pocketing balls is so complex at a high level.
I bet people that play at a high level have a different stop shot then us to.
This is some deep stuff.
Some of us are just going to be happy we make the ball.I didnt realize pocketing balls is so complex at a high level.
I bet people that play at a high level have a different stop shot then us to.
CJ, you asked what I'm trying to teach you. With all due respect, here it is:
The above two methods are functionally the same. In both cases you're trying to hit the center of the pocket with the possibility of missing to either side. All you've really changed is that in #2 (your method) you're shooting with sidespin and adjusting your aim for squirt (cue ball deflection).
pj
chgo
The above two methods are functionally the same. In both cases you're trying to hit the center of the pocket with the possibility of missing to either side. All you've really changed is that in #2 (your method) you're shooting with sidespin and adjusting your aim for squirt (cue ball deflection).
pj
chgo
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So if we play and I have to use a half tip of inside on EVERY shot (no matter what the situation) and you are free to cue it where ever, whenever you want....what would be the outcome in your opinion?
It doesn't come in to effect on a straight in shot and in snooker there's a different set of reactions due to much smaller, lighter balls so they squirt more and would be difficult to do what I'm suggesting.....you really need to use a 9mm tip as well.... a pool tip will not perform with the smaller balls.
Do you mean who would win? You would, of course. You'd win no matter how we did it because you're a pro and I'm not.
Anyway, you've got lots of other fans here with better questions for you, so we don't need to waste your time on this. I just wanted to answer your question to me clearly and you happened to give me the quote with which to do it. Hopefully it'll be helpful to somebody.
pj
chgo
You know CJ I have to apologize to you I havnt been so positive with my post. You ever done something for so long and some one tries to explain a different way of doing it and your like what the hell are you talking about.
Well thats where Im at.lol Im German and hard headed.
Sorry for my negative post.
Anthony
Eyes that can see
yeah, the pros of all sports seem to distance themselves by how they utilize spin.....it's amazing the margin for error pro tennis players achieve by using topspin for instance....I've used the golf and bowling analogies and of course in baseball you'll see the master pitcher utilizing spin for hitting certain plate "zones"......some of this is simply accomplished by expanding the mind to understand zones and how they are created....they don't really exist unless someone knows how to see them....those that have "eyes that can see" and "ears that can hear"
yeah, the pros of all sports seem to distance themselves by how they utilize spin.....it's amazing the margin for error pro tennis players achieve by using topspin for instance....I've used the golf and bowling analogies and of course in baseball you'll see the master pitcher utilizing spin for hitting certain plate "zones"......some of this is simply accomplished by expanding the mind to understand zones and how they are created....they don't really exist unless someone knows how to see them....those that have "eyes that can see"
and "ears that can hear"
The Key is Calibration, the Door is Connection
What it will come down to Mike is feel....I describe it as "feeling with your eyes", however that doesn't make sense at first..."feel what with my eyes?" is the standard response.....I feel the zone of the pocket....when I practice I try to make an extra effort to see the ball go in the pocket and which part it's hitting....I calibrate from a hair to a half tip off center to FEEL how it effects the object ball going into the pocket....if I undercut I'll hit it firmer or cue it slightly more to make the adjustment....always concentrating on the side of the pocket closest to the object ball....these thing MUST be done on the table....you can't conceptualize feel....no one can, yet the key that unlocks this particular door is done through connection..connection between you, the cue, the balls and the pocket.
What it will come down to Mike is feel....I describe it as "feeling with your eyes", however that doesn't make sense at first..."feel what with my eyes?" is the standard response.....I feel the zone of the pocket....when I practice I try to make an extra effort to see the ball go in the pocket and which part it's hitting....I calibrate from a hair to a half tip off center to FEEL how it effects the object ball going into the pocket....if I undercut I'll hit it firmer or cue it slightly more to make the adjustment....always concentrating on the side of the pocket closest to the object ball....these thing MUST be done on the table....you can't conceptualize feel....no one can, yet the key that unlocks this particular door is done through connection..connection between you, the cue, the balls and the pocket.
Actually I think there is no doubt about what happens when a B player matches up with a pro...
The only doubt I usually can come up with is why the B player continues to try and argue with the pro when they showed up to a gunfight armed with a butter knife and don't realize that every one knows it but them.......
Living Legend
Banned
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I understand you to say that the side of the OB will be hitting the side of the pocket (inside of the mouth) that is closest to the OB - except on a 45 degree cut (into a corner pocket) where both sides are equally close to the OB, and the pocket is at it's widest.
I never calibrated a hair to 1/2 tip off of center to apply squirt or english - intentionally - I will study the effects of this at various separations between the CB and OB.
I have always wanted to consistently aim a straight in shot with the tip to the side of the center of the CB with follow without scratching, but having the CB hit the rail instead to get shape.
Thanks.:smile:
Building Bridges from what we know to what we don't
I understand the feeling, there's certainly things I've had to "come to believe" that I didn't at first.... there's just so many levels to pool and unless you go through them the hard way it's difficult to figure out the ones that are counter-intuitive......golf was that way for me, I worked with Hank Haney here in Dallas for two years trading golf lessons for pool lessons...I told him I wanted to develop a "tour swing" and he said "are you sure, it's extremely difficult to learn" .... needless to say he was right (my scores actually got Worse for the next 18 months) and even though I got close I didn't really have the 8 hours a day I needed to accomplish that goal....I learned A LOT about teaching from him though and that made it worthwhile. At the highest levels there are similarities between all games like golf, tennis, and pool....not literally, just certain common denominators.
I understand the feeling, there's certainly things I've had to "come to believe" that I didn't at first.... there's just so many levels to pool and unless you go through them the hard way it's difficult to figure out the ones that are counter-intuitive......golf was that way for me, I worked with Hank Haney here in Dallas for two years trading golf lessons for pool lessons...I told him I wanted to develop a "tour swing" and he said "are you sure, it's extremely difficult to learn" .... needless to say he was right (my scores actually got Worse for the next 18 months) and even though I got close I didn't really have the 8 hours a day I needed to accomplish that goal....I learned A LOT about teaching from him though and that made it worthwhile. At the highest levels there are similarities between all games like golf, tennis, and pool....not literally, just certain common denominators.
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CJ,
So in the picture below, our main line of aim is the blue line. When we hit the cue ball off center, it could overcut the object ball but then it would follow either the red or white line, and still go in depending on how the big the overcut is.
Is that correct? If so, I guess my only question would be when you say off center, would it be inside or outside english, or does it depend on other factors?
I just saw this and it's a very good "sample example" .... you would line up on the "blue line" side of the pocket.....then cue it left of center and go STRAIGHT through the ball....don't pivot, but keep the cue straight so the ball veers slightly.....if you hit it firm it will go in the center (red line), if you hit it hard it will go on the white line (left side of the pocket) ... this takes calibration by each individual to see how much you need to cue it to the left to get the desired throw/veer/deflection (whatever you guys like to call it
) ... I cue it so slightly I've always said "I'm the only one that can tell I'm doing it"....but it's because I hit the ball pretty firmly and just a "touch" off center gives me the desired amount of deflection. By the way, how many diamonds are on that end rail:smile2:
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dude , you r insane. You need professional help
Lmao . I am afraid CJ cant help you, U need DR Phil.
PS MR Wilson is very patient with u. Do u find yourself arguing with stop signs? U IMO are simply heckling. Lou is worse IMO . Matter of fact he made my ignore list. For Pete's sake give it a break lol
CJ
I for one want to thank you for your time and patience in describing your methods.
This last post, was finally the ah..ha for me, I am very much a visual learner, and this picture and your comments are most useful for me.
Thanks again,
Tony
I for one want to thank you for your time and patience in describing your methods.
This last post, was finally the ah..ha for me, I am very much a visual learner, and this picture and your comments are most useful for me.
Thanks again,
Tony
I just saw this and it's a very good "sample example" .... you would line up on the "blue line" side of the pocket.....then cue it left of center and go STRAIGHT through the ball....don't pivot, but keep the cue straight so the ball veers slightly.....if you hit it firm it will go in the center (red line), if you hit it hard it will go on the white line (left side of the pocket) ... this takes calibration by each individual to see how much you need to cue it to the left to get the desired throw/veer/deflection (whatever you guys like to call it
Exactly (sometimes I crack myself up
I was recently in Seattle and if you can't do this on almost any of the tables at the Golden Fleece and if you try it on Harry's pet table set up for 1pocket you are most definitely losing your lunch money. Same for any table at House of Billiards in Santa Monica. Same on any table on the right side of the room at Red Shoes in Chicago. No go here in St. Louis at The Break. Same at the late great Comet Billiards in NJ, particularly their 1pocket table. If memory serves, this would not even work on the pit table by the front door at CJs old room in Dallas.
I would also not recommend this technique for the tables at The DCC, Tunica, or The US Open One Pocket in Vegas.
Maybe on someone's 8' home table. Or maybe there are still some National Shuffleboard tables out there...
Lou Figueroa
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