Hitting the cue ball offcenter.
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John Schmidt's and Corey Deuel's comments on aiming systems
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I completely understand what CJ is talking about as Most others do. I find it very effective on close to straight ins. However I use CTE/ETC pivot system that aligns me with center pocket so on some shots I have to adjust using CB/OB relationship instead of pocket dividing. I really appreciate CJ's input and it gives me a different perspective on ball pocketing. I have and will continue to incorporate it into my game.
Thanks again CJ
I am not trying to debate CTE claims just referring to my particular situation and shot perspective
Thanks again CJ
I am not trying to debate CTE claims just referring to my particular situation and shot perspective
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roger that.
I don't think CJ's method is an aiming system at all. I think it's a valuable asset to any player whether they play by feel or use a system.
Right. The squirting technique CJ discussed here involves aiming at a particular side of the pocket. But how he aims to that point is another matter and is discussed on his "Secrets" DVD. Perhaps CJ will discuss it here at some point, or in one of the instructional videos he plans to do for AzB.
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ok, you dont know what i mean, all good
i actually have to play pool tonight, i will spend 10 -15 minutes with cj system.
Sigh... here's a good example of me trying to be totally respectful to you and you respond w/ condescending tones.
I don't aim small and I honestly don't aim at all-- I pivot to center and the result is usually center hole if I execute correctly. I've personally found if I adjust my shot perception to be consciously thick and cue a hair to the inside, well -- it was very interesting as far as what can be done.
You and Dr. Dave might argue that you're adding excess variables that will hamper a shot that might be better played with center. Although I'm too new w/ this technique to say that you're both categorically wrong, I'm versed enough after four hours of experimentation that CJ's technique was very eye opening to me. I didn't practice it "knowing" it was great or leaning to that--- if it didn't work, I'd prob toss the concept.
You'd both do yourselves a lot of good to invest 1/2 the time you invest into theory arguments into real practical application. I really didn't even comment too heavily on it until I grinding it out for a while to assess. Instead, you "grade" technique based on pool theory which doesn't take the human variable into account. You can probably come up with a big equation of how TOUGH and COMPLICATED CJ's technique is compared to center ball; however, I've found it to be quite the opposite.
If you can aim small and hit center ball on-command and at-will-- CJ's stuff isn't for either of you. If you can't, maybe you should try it without prejudice and see what happens.
Take what's useful and throw the rest away. I'd bet my house neither of you experimented at a table long enough to label it either way.
Squirt/swerve/stroke speed never entered my mind one time. All I know is balls drop from everywhere. THAT'S what's clear to me.
Dave
p.s. You must be a negative person in real life. You can't seem to converse on here without that condescending tone even when someone takes great care to be respectful. You're either old and single or married to someone who does the same thing.
How about you start posting some videos of being mid-run making shots like that on the first try?
These random photo examples with asides on how you drilled the shot with your arrow system are really tiring. Another hit and run post.
Some things are obvious without tests. For instance, it's obvious that aiming at one side of the pocket and hitting the CB offcenter to hit the center of the pocket is exactly the same thing as aiming to hit the center of the pocket with sidespin and adjusting your aim to the side of the pocket to compensate for squirt.
And if I described it that way you wouldn't think it was some new whizbang "pro" idea that makes pocketing easier - in fact, I bet you'd say adding sidespin to a shot that doesn't need it for shape just adds aiming complexity. And you'd be right.
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What CJ is describing is covered in depth in Lee Brett,s DVD.
CJ used this technique way before Lee did. ( I think )
For a right handed player (for left handed players I have no idea) you aim left of center on the QB if pocketing the OB into the right hand corner or right hand side of the table when the cuetip strikes the QB it will be on center.
On the OB there is a minute contact point, using the technique that CJ and Lee describe that contact point now becomes almost a quarter of an inch.
Instead of aiming at 12:00 on the vertical axis you aim at 11:58 or 11:59 shooting to pokect the OB to the right.
John
CJ used this technique way before Lee did. ( I think )
For a right handed player (for left handed players I have no idea) you aim left of center on the QB if pocketing the OB into the right hand corner or right hand side of the table when the cuetip strikes the QB it will be on center.
On the OB there is a minute contact point, using the technique that CJ and Lee describe that contact point now becomes almost a quarter of an inch.
Instead of aiming at 12:00 on the vertical axis you aim at 11:58 or 11:59 shooting to pokect the OB to the right.
John
That's why you'll never achieve your full potential. You think you know it all, but you clearly don't.
LOL, um... it's not, pal. With one model you're compensating for squirt. The other model you're relying on it. Holy Christ in a chicken basket - how did you get this job of internet know-it-all? That's why you need to leave the chalkboard, buddy.
I'd never say such a thing because that's clearly NOT correct. That's the separation of someone like you versus someone like me. I'll add spin to a shot that doesn't need it for position if I think the spin will prevent a skid or other "bad things" from happening because adding the spin (for me) doesn't add a single iota of complexity. For you, clearly, it does. See, on a chalkboard, you're theoretically correct. In the real world where environmental changes affect whether you get paid or not--- you couldn't be more novice in your comment above.
Dave:
I think we're wasting our breath (er... keyboarding efforts) here. Notice he doesn't reply to anything that is contrary to his opinion or beliefs? I wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of us were on his Ignore list.
In that case, he can hit and run as much as he likes, without worry of "seeing" anything that would hurt his stance, or something that he'd be forced (via pride reasons) to reply to.
IMHO, anyway,
-Sean
It's always:
"Check out this weido shot that you definitely can't make with any aiming system that I happened to make on my FIRST TRY -- so THERE."
(....goes MIA after the post)
Great match CJ. Thats the way the game should be played.
Steve missed a cut on the 1 ball at 16:06. If he would have used the technique you describe he wouldnt have.
I two stroke all of my shots. I dont see why more strokes are needed.
Oh yeah, who did you play in your next match......is a link available?
Thank you
John
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Especially the one that kills you.:frown:
You start dieing the day your born. For some the time is short for others the time is long to very long. But in the end we all die. Stroke or no stroke.
:smile:
John
:smile:
John
Short or long to very long strokes with a perfect follow through to the end.:smile:
Yes, the follow thru is important. 
John
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