$1,200 for 1,850 hours of play is about 65 cents per hour, not $1.50.
John Schmidt's and Corey Deuel's comments on aiming systems
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$1,200 for 1,850 hours of play is about 65 cents per hour, not $1.50.
Didn't he say he was headed to the Texas Open? Perhaps he has just been otherwise occupied the last couple days. Hope so.
I like that, Dave.
My last post on the topic in a while-- since I was chirping about simplicity.
Prob the smartest thing and closest thing to genius any of the pool academics have ever accomplished was Mike Page's "Learn to play pool in 10 mins" youtube video.
That's probably a video that will live forever on youtube and will help thousands of beginning players have a good time at the bar while playing with friends.
Prob the smartest thing and closest thing to genius any of the pool academics have ever accomplished was Mike Page's "Learn to play pool in 10 mins" youtube video.
That's probably a video that will live forever on youtube and will help thousands of beginning players have a good time at the bar while playing with friends.
Geez Dave, I was hoping to hear about your experiences in learning how to do things with your opposite hand.
Yeah guys, CJ actually *did* warn us about that -- that he was going to depart from the "analytical" talks about pool so that he can concentrate on being a player on the scene again. You might recall that he mentioned that the best pool comes from playing from the subconscious, and you CAN'T do that when you're trying to explain how to do certain things in an academic fashion. Two completely different sides of the brain.
I personally think he'll be back. One thing is for sure; I got the sense that CJ enjoyed his time here, going back and forth with us, because, except for Duckie, we as a lot were very respectful to him. I think even CJ himself would say that.
Agree or no?
-Sean
You mean talent. It goes without saying (or should) that CJ can trounce most anybody here, and he's one of the smartest pros - but he doesn't hold a candle to any one of those guys in terms of knowledge.
To suggest anybody suggested otherwise is false. Of course, pool pros in general don't set a real high bar for knowledge.
You don't understand how it applies - no crime in that.
Absolutely true, and absolutely meaningless to the relevance of technical knowledge in pool.
I guess you gotta go with what you can handle.
No, of course not - you'd never knock those guys.
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chgo
Wow! You make false accusations about Duckie trying to run CJ Wiley off of the board, when it turns out that CJ is taking a few days off to play pool. You owe Duckie an apology.
Your own shameless misconduct in trying to run posters like Roger Long and others off of the board just exposes you for the hypocrite that you are. We are ALL human beings and all of us are uniquely important in our own ways. It's not for you to decide for us who is important and who is the best to learn from.
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When Duckie implies CJ doesn't know pool geometry and then knocked his golf analogies....he needed to be slammed. Kind of like how you do for sticking up for the guy.
In regards to Roger...I was merely reminding him of his famous article since he conveniently switched the "debate topic." He should stand by his conclusions and convictions.
If it sounds like I don't like him, you're right. His articles were designed to slam Hal, Stan and myself at the time. If he doesn't like my comments, he's free to put me on ignore.
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You mean talent. It goes without saying (or should) that CJ can trounce most anybody here, and he's one of the smartest pros - but he doesn't hold a candle to any one of those guys in terms of knowledge.
To suggest anybody suggested otherwise is false. Of course, pool pros in general don't set a real high bar for knowledge.
You don't understand how it applies - no crime in that.
Absolutely true, and absolutely meaningless to the relevance of technical knowledge in pool.
I guess you gotta go with what you can handle.
No, of course not - you'd never knock those guys.
pj
chgo
Not knocking them at all. See, if someone questions your assertion that those guys are the John Holmes of everything regarding pool instruction, you spin it as a knock. They're pool academics... no more, no less.
You have this WEIRD notion that if someone can play, they're not knowledgeable.
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...I'll point out that I try to avoid argument by hyperbole.
And CJ's a pro pool player... no more, no less.
You have these weird notions about what I think.
I think CJ is remarkably intelligent, but I wouldn't expect him or anybody who has spent his life playing pool to be as knowledgable about technicalities and teaching as lesser pool players who have spent their lives studying things like physics and education. Why would this surprise anybody? It's more surprising that you think it must be some kind of bias.
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chgo
Never stopped you before
Not true...he's a successful businessman, martial artist and a pool INSTRUCTOR with a DVD set (and another one in the making). He has also given many lessons in his pool room teaching others.
Not when you make it blatantly apparent.
How many pro pool players have made it to the top after being taught physics in pool by the individuals you named earlier? Would that be zero?
How many pro pool players got better after reading the Science of Pocket Billiards by Jack Koehler which was ALL physics related? Would that be zero?
So what good is it other than for people like you and and your friends to place yourself on your own self-made pedestals to dazzle people on pool forums with memorized text in physics, geometry, and math equations?
Stan also spent his life in education teaching youngsters in the school system as well as being a great pool player/teacher and got belittled on here. You and others must be some kind of hypocrites.
Who among those I named doesn't have multiple accomplishments?
How many are improving more quickly at pool now because of the newly available information?
Your inability to make use of the information isn't everybody's problem.
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chgo
Who among those you named has greater accomplishments than C.J. in POOL, not only as a great player but also for worldwide distribution of instructional DVD's? The names you mentioned, including yourself, are only forum legends (in your own minds). Outside of internet forums, no one has a clue who they are.
If you're talking about aiming DVD's and pros using it as well as amateurs who have been introduced to the techniques, a hell of a lot more than anybody being taught physics, geometry, and math by the geeks on forums. Lets extend the improvement to ALL types of dvd's stressing other areas besides the science aspect. There are more great learning tools available to pool players now than in the history of the game.
It certainly hasn't proven to be everybody's solution either nor will it ever be.
Arguing with someone who thinks Dr. Dave is a better pool instructor than CJ Wiley is like trying to convince some desert dweller in Mogadishu who has $20 in their pocket that they really ain't rich.
...your fantasy. I haven't said anything about who's a better instructor - I've only said I value the information produced by pool players like Dave and Bob who also have extraordinary understanding of pool's technical aspects.
That's why they're both regular columnists in Billiards Digest, the most popular pool periodical. Is it your opinion that their columns should be discontinued because you don't know how to make use of the information they provide?
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Spidey appears to be losing what few brain cells he has left. Despite Spidey's claim to the contrary, he is doing his best to knock the extensive contributions that Dr. Dave and Bob Jewett and others have made to expanding and enriching the knowledge base and the sport of pool.
The contributions that Dr. Dave, Bob Jewett and others have made far outweigh anything CJ has done for expanding the knowledge base in pool. Dr. Dave and Bob Jewett have collectively written hundreds of articles for Billiards Digest and other publications; both have written books and created DVDs that have been widely acclaimed as among the best in the field; both Dr. Dave and Bob Jewett have offered a extensive library of articles and information on their web sites; and both Dr. Dave and Bob Jewett have given freely of their knowledge, insights and expertise on pool-related forums like this one. With Dr. Dave's and Bob's background in academia and the sciences, both people have enriched our sport with their scientific studies and videos describing the physics of pool.
While CJ is a welcome addition the forum, he's still a relative newcomer to the scene who still needs to prove himself.
Spidey should be ashamed of himself for knocking the academic accomplishments of some of the most distinguished authors and scientists that our sport has.
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You should be ashamed for not having reading comprehension.
I'm merely stating any suggestion that they're better instructors than CJ is laughable.
"Pool scientists?!?!?" LOL There's no such thing.
If they cracked the science of pool they could compete with guys like CJ.
If you read my posts--- I said they are what they are -- pool academics and that's it. I ALSO said they "serve a purpose" in our sport. It's like learning formulas for how atmospheric pressure affects ball velocities while playing golf. It's cool to learn as a golfer (just as a gaff) but in the real world you go to the driving range in Denver to see how it affects your 7 iron.
Where we disagree is if a player is better suited to listen to what CJ has to say versus one of your pool scientists if they want to get better.
Get off this ashamed crap. You sound like a wet noodle. There isn't anything I've said in this thread that isn't fact nor is it a knock.
If you want to learn the equations behind the game and learn how the exact margin of error in degrees change based on distance --- read the academic stuff. If you want to learn how to pocket a ball with practical application, CJ is the guy.
If you don't get that, you should be ashamed of yourself Pool Shark. If you're such a pool shark you should try CJ some, since you know so much smarty-pants.
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Since you DID say this, "but he doesn't hold a candle to any one of those guys in terms of knowledge" regarding C.J. vs. Dr. Dave or the other names mentioned, how do you feel C.J. WOULD BE a better instructor without their knowledge? You ARE implying it.
And then you turn right around and degrade ALL pro players with this statement: "Of course, pool pros in general don't set a real high bar for knowledge." Amazing! Pro players whom you refer to reach heights in the world that we only dream about and they're able to do all of it WITHOUT much knowledge. Hooray for the science club!
That's your fantasy. I do understand what they write in BD and if there's anything I haven't seen before then all is good. Most of it is rehashed material printed elsewhere. Since you're a self-admitted B player after all these years, what good has it been to you? Why aren't you an A or higher since you have your own table at home and chief proponent of physics, geometry, and math...that is until the argument suits the situation better. Then you scrap all of it and say it's ALL about FEEL. Guesswork and intuition then supplants science to have all of your bases covered. LMAO
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Did I miss something (guess I need to read some of these threads and get caught up" I had to take a timeout and go play in a charity event at the Texas State Championships which I'm proud to say raised over $7566.00 for the Children's Hospital....AND was fortunate enough to win the Scotch Doubles and my partner an $800. Cue and a free entry to the State Championships next year.....I lost my 2nd match 9/7 to the eventual winner of the Winner's Bracket, Joey Gray (who lost to Chip Compton in the finals) ... my second loss I didn't get to shoot much and actually missed less balls than my opponent (who also ran 7 of 9 racks).....the combination of the "magic rack" and super fast cloth is not my favorite, because it just makes the tournament a "rack running contest".....two players on the second day ran 7 straight racks, and I think most Champions would expect to run 7-9 racks fairly often....oh, well, no big deal, it was fun seeing a lot of my old friends anyway and get a "touch" of competition under my belt....I'm still at about 85%, but who knows I may someday have a "flashback" ... 
Did I miss something
(guess I need to read some of these threads and get caught up" I had to take a timeout and go play in a charity event at the Texas State Championships which I'm proud to say raised over $7566.00 for the Children's Hospital....AND was fortunate enough to win the Scotch Doubles and my partner an $800. Cue and a free entry to the State Championships next year.....I lost my 2nd match 9/7 to the eventual winner of the Winner's Bracket, Joey Gray (who lost to Chip Compton in the finals) ... my second loss I didn't get to shoot much and actually missed less balls than my opponent (who also ran 7 of 9 racks).....the combination of the "magic rack" and super fast cloth is not my favorite, because it just makes the tournament a "rack running contest".....two players on the second day ran 7 straight racks, and I think most Champions would expect to run 7-9 racks fairly often....oh, well, no big deal, it was fun seeing a lot of my old friends anyway and get a "touch" of competition under my belt....I'm still at about 85%, but who knows I may someday have a "flashback" ...
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Glad to see you are back. The natives were getting restless.