John Schmidt's and Corey Deuel's comments on aiming systems
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As was I about Mr. Duckie beating Eva.
CJ,
I hope you do not think that I am using ghost ball, but pulling the drawing up as a quote from me along with your comments seems to imply that I do, which I do not.
bdorman first used this drawing in reference to the fractional overlap portion. I believe he added the ghost ball stuff later due to the course of the discussion.
Regards to You &
$hould I figure out a way to $ell the an$wer?
If it wa$ about "$eeing $omething," or "imagining $omething," don't you think they would know?
But "they" don't know.....so what could it possibly be they're doing? hmmm....I wonder what it could be? If I $ay it I wonder if I'll be accused of trying to "$ell the an$wer?" $hould I figure out a way to $ell the an$wer? I rarely make a po$t unless there'$ a profit $omewhere in the future....the di$tant future.
If it wa$ about "$eeing $omething," or "imagining $omething," don't you think they would know?
But "they" don't know.....so what could it possibly be they're doing? hmmm....I wonder what it could be? If I $ay it I wonder if I'll be accused of trying to "$ell the an$wer?" $hould I figure out a way to $ell the an$wer? I rarely make a po$t unless there'$ a profit $omewhere in the future....the di$tant future.
Thanks Greg.
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Now, since you're so familiar with Mr. Cranefield's Arrow that he developed to aid those that are less familiar with the difference between the contact line and the aim line. Can you direct me to somewhere that he says that he, Bob Cranefield, utilized the ghost ball for his aim while he plays.
Remember, I have said that 'ghost ball' is part of the basic geometry of pocket billiards. I just have never read where anyone really says that they actually use GB as a means that they themselves utilize to aim with, that is other then you. And if it works for you, great.
I just think beginners need to understand the difference between the contact line & the aim line & then find their own way to make the connection along the contact line.
I'm just trying to help with the 'arguement' if there is one.
Regards to You &
This may have worked for the clay balls they were using,
This may have worked for the clay balls they were using, but..........
This may have worked for the clay balls they were using, but..........
This may have worked for the clay balls they were using, but..........
Oh, come on; it's a legitimate aiming method, though certainly different from yours.
CJ -- what aiming method did you use in your developmental years (teenager and younger)?
As Jim Rempe said in the oft-mentioned 1995 Pool & Billiard Magazine article on aiming "I don't really visualize the [ghost] ball anymore, it's automatic."
I'd read that to mean that he used to actually visualize it. How far back in his development, I don't know.
Connect (the dots) and Create. It's much more about "feel"
I've not experienced "aiming" while down on the shot. This is done above the shot, however, I use the word "aiming" because it fits the "'norm," better and more appropriate (for me) words are Connect (the dots) and Create. It's much more about "feel" than "visual aiming". I believe you could set up perfectly and see the angle as well as possible and the key to playing great is still in your hands.
Pool is a Game of touch and feel, not eyesight. Mike Lebron had poor eyesight and still won the US OPEN at age 53....what does that suggest? He also favored the touch of inside on his shots.
My experience is that the CUE BALL IS THE TARGET, the primary target that is. I have never hit an object ball in my life, however, I hit the cue ball every shot. My TOI Technique is about first connecting the center of the cue ball to the center or edge of the object ball (every time), then using the tip to create the angle of the shot using the cue ball.
I have a lot of matches on YouTube, so scrutiny is available to the public and I doubt if anyone has ever got the impression I was "aiming". I connect ABOVE the shot, then use the Touch Of Inside to create my shot angle, tip target and use a consistent speed. Pure and Simple. 'The Game is the Teacher'
I've not experienced "aiming" while down on the shot. This is done above the shot, however, I use the word "aiming" because it fits the "'norm," better and more appropriate (for me) words are Connect (the dots) and Create. It's much more about "feel" than "visual aiming". I believe you could set up perfectly and see the angle as well as possible and the key to playing great is still in your hands.
Pool is a Game of touch and feel, not eyesight. Mike Lebron had poor eyesight and still won the US OPEN at age 53....what does that suggest? He also favored the touch of inside on his shots.
My experience is that the CUE BALL IS THE TARGET, the primary target that is. I have never hit an object ball in my life, however, I hit the cue ball every shot. My TOI Technique is about first connecting the center of the cue ball to the center or edge of the object ball (every time), then using the tip to create the angle of the shot using the cue ball.
I have a lot of matches on YouTube, so scrutiny is available to the public and I doubt if anyone has ever got the impression I was "aiming". I connect ABOVE the shot, then use the Touch Of Inside to create my shot angle, tip target and use a consistent speed. Pure and Simple. 'The Game is the Teacher'
After all this time you don't have a handy dandy arrow image to give people? I am shocked, shocked I say.
Do you agree with this statement as pertains to Ghost Ball aiming.?
"The difference between the point of aim and the point of contact becomes greater as the shot at which you are aiming becomes less and less straight. Thus, on thin cut shots (extremely angled shots) the point of aim is significantly away from the object ball." - From Basic Pool
The Ultimate BEGINNER'S Guide.
Yes Duckie, Ghost Ball is the easiest method to teach beginners. Rank beginners need GB.
My thinking is that a method can't be THAT easy if you need 100 devices to teach you how to use it.
And you can't use any of those devices on the table in competition. But guess what, with a ball to ball method using the existing balls that can be touched and seen you don't need any device to help you aim. Simply use the objects that ate there and you have a great chance to make any shot you face even it's one you and your arrow didn't get to yet.
No one is blaming players of the past for teaching ghost ball
No one is blaming players of the past for teaching ghost ball, there's been many examples of this type of teaching for beginners. This is fixing to change, there are techniques develops now that even beginners can learn quickly and easily, without trying to "imagine pocketing balls," they can really pocket balls. 'The Game Will Be the Teacher'
No one is blaming players of the past for teaching ghost ball, there's been many examples of this type of teaching for beginners. This is fixing to change, there are techniques develops now that even beginners can learn quickly and easily, without trying to "imagine pocketing balls," they can really pocket balls. 'The Game Will Be the Teacher'
CJ,
I have a question on your Pre Shot Routine and what you are doing. I know you say you do your aiming in the standing position. I also know that you are using either the edge or center when aiming a portion of your cue ball. You also say you are using a portion of the cue ball to create and angle.
I would like you to describe, if you would, the thinking of a shot. If you align the shot when standing, what are you doing/thinking when down on the shot and taking your warm up strokes? Is there any fine tuning or are you just looking at where to hit the cue ball and getting a sense of the speed you are going to use to make the shot. Do you look at the OB, and if so what are you looking at and thinking.
I have previously said that you have elevated my shot making abilities. I do have a problem with pivoting and find that I have success using BHE to get to center ball. I know you say this is a no no and I am working on it. I am presently working on your TOI and see benefits to that. Eliminating all the calculations makes a lot of sense. I do too much thinking as it is. You have been real helpful. Can't wait til your next DVD comes out.
Thanks for the help!
Dougster
I have a question on your Pre Shot Routine and what you are doing. I know you say you do your aiming in the standing position. I also know that you are using either the edge or center when aiming a portion of your cue ball. You also say you are using a portion of the cue ball to create and angle.
I would like you to describe, if you would, the thinking of a shot. If you align the shot when standing, what are you doing/thinking when down on the shot and taking your warm up strokes? Is there any fine tuning or are you just looking at where to hit the cue ball and getting a sense of the speed you are going to use to make the shot. Do you look at the OB, and if so what are you looking at and thinking.
I have previously said that you have elevated my shot making abilities. I do have a problem with pivoting and find that I have success using BHE to get to center ball. I know you say this is a no no and I am working on it. I am presently working on your TOI and see benefits to that. Eliminating all the calculations makes a lot of sense. I do too much thinking as it is. You have been real helpful. Can't wait til your next DVD comes out.
Thanks for the help!
Dougster
Saying TOI is just an "aiming system" would saying Paul Newman is "just an actor
I align ever shot like it's straight in.....either to the center or the edge. The TOI video will give you all the info you need to understand how it all blends into the TOI Technique. Saying TOI is just an "aiming system" would be like saying Paul Newman was "just an actor". We are SOOOO close to finalizing our deal so we can upload the TOI video....I'm just relying on other people to complete their obligations to the project asap.
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I align ever shot like it's straight in.....either to the center or the edge. The TOI video will give you all the info you need to understand how it all blends into the TOI Technique. Saying TOI is just an "aiming system" would be like saying Paul Newman was "just an actor". We are SOOOO close to finalizing our deal so we can upload the TOI video....I'm just relying on other people to complete their obligations to the project asap.
seeing the connection between the cue ball and the object ball
The fact of the matter is EVERYONE has a system for seeing the connection between the cue ball and the object ball to create the desired angle....and this is especially true with spin or deflection involved, the issue is they're simply not aware of what it is.....this sounds strange, but I was one of those players in my teens and early 20's....it wasn't until I was the ESPN World Champion that I diligently set out to discover EXACTLY what I did when I entered what most people call DEAD STROKE ... and in the process my game had some ups and downs because when you bring conscious attention to a subconscious activity something has to give.....and it's usually in the form of suddenly over thinking......it's like walking up or down stairs, you can do it very quickly and very naturally, but let someone ask you to explain "do you breathe in or out on the even or odd stairs?"..."do you roll your ankle or just pick your foot straight up"....and see what happens.....it's like when I tell you "don't think about your breathing now"...or "DO NOT think about the color BLUE or your RiGhT shoulder as you read this" ... I've spent a lot of time around Tiger Wood's recent swing coach (HANK HANEY) here in Dallas and I'll assure you Tiger has a system for golf....every aspect of it and "does he tune this out when playing?"....the answer is YES.....but that doesn't mean he doesn't have a system for aligning to the shot, aiming his club face, positioning his shoulders, arms, legs etc. through the positioning of his feet.....I assure you he does ALL THESE THINGS in a certain, repeatable fashion....in other words he has a system!
Stan showed me parts of his system in Tunica and I agree that it works...I also believe that it's a chore to convince "ghostballers" of this and it's better not to try....in addition, I do agree with John S. about hitting a lot of balls and practicing, but ONLY if your practice is based around a consistent, repeatable pre-shot routine that takes the WHOLE body, vision and mind into consideration.....I just rebuilt my game it's like putting together a jigsaw puzzle at times....I would find one piece that was out of whack and then another one would cause me to not play well....it's like building any structure, it starts with the FOUNDATION and works it's way up....if your body is not in line your eyes,you are not seeing the correct shot perception and you have to move your head to make up for it...this may work at times...especially good times, however, what about under pressure?....when it really counts....what about in the finals of a tournament, or your league or a big gambling match.....that's when it matters and you can see it when Michael Jordan shoots free throws, when Jack Nichlaus hits a golf ball, or when Mike Sigel hits a pool ball....they are AIMING in the same position, relative to the line of their shot (or target)....and it's because they have developed a system to do this time after time after time...and this is in fact systematic aiming....... CJ Wiley www.cjwiley.com https://www.facebook.com/CJ.WILEY7
The fact of the matter is EVERYONE has a system for seeing the connection between the cue ball and the object ball to create the desired angle....and this is especially true with spin or deflection involved, the issue is they're simply not aware of what it is.....this sounds strange, but I was one of those players in my teens and early 20's....it wasn't until I was the ESPN World Champion that I diligently set out to discover EXACTLY what I did when I entered what most people call DEAD STROKE ... and in the process my game had some ups and downs because when you bring conscious attention to a subconscious activity something has to give.....and it's usually in the form of suddenly over thinking......it's like walking up or down stairs, you can do it very quickly and very naturally, but let someone ask you to explain "do you breathe in or out on the even or odd stairs?"..."do you roll your ankle or just pick your foot straight up"....and see what happens.....it's like when I tell you "don't think about your breathing now"...or "DO NOT think about the color BLUE or your RiGhT shoulder as you read this" ... I've spent a lot of time around Tiger Wood's recent swing coach (HANK HANEY) here in Dallas and I'll assure you Tiger has a system for golf....every aspect of it and "does he tune this out when playing?"....the answer is YES.....but that doesn't mean he doesn't have a system for aligning to the shot, aiming his club face, positioning his shoulders, arms, legs etc. through the positioning of his feet.....I assure you he does ALL THESE THINGS in a certain, repeatable fashion....in other words he has a system!
Stan showed me parts of his system in Tunica and I agree that it works...I also believe that it's a chore to convince "ghostballers" of this and it's better not to try....in addition, I do agree with John S. about hitting a lot of balls and practicing, but ONLY if your practice is based around a consistent, repeatable pre-shot routine that takes the WHOLE body, vision and mind into consideration.....I just rebuilt my game it's like putting together a jigsaw puzzle at times....I would find one piece that was out of whack and then another one would cause me to not play well....it's like building any structure, it starts with the FOUNDATION and works it's way up....if your body is not in line your eyes,you are not seeing the correct shot perception and you have to move your head to make up for it...this may work at times...especially good times, however, what about under pressure?....when it really counts....what about in the finals of a tournament, or your league or a big gambling match.....that's when it matters and you can see it when Michael Jordan shoots free throws, when Jack Nichlaus hits a golf ball, or when Mike Sigel hits a pool ball....they are AIMING in the same position, relative to the line of their shot (or target)....and it's because they have developed a system to do this time after time after time...and this is in fact systematic aiming....... CJ Wiley www.cjwiley.com https://www.facebook.com/CJ.WILEY7
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pj never corrected anyone's spelling.
I must say, pj never corrected anyone's spelling.....thanks, though, I stand corrected.
I must say, pj never corrected anyone's spelling.....thanks, though, I stand corrected.