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I have a Joss and wanted to find out what effect on the hit a rubber added joint would have. I bought a couple of rubber washers (1/16 inch thick) from home depot and slid 2 of them over the joint pin of my joss and screwed it back together. It turns out adding the cushion to the joint really deadens the vibration and turns a stiff joss hit to more of a soft thunk. Have any of you tried a hard rubber joint to lessen the vibrations in a cue? I must say the difference is quite noticable and somewhat better. I did play around with what effect it had on english and I did notice that I was able to put a little more english without miscueing. I would think that instead of the cueball jumping off the tip that the compression of the rubber in the joint, allowing the cue to essentially compress, keeps the tip on the ball for just a split second longer. I am wondering if the possible extra time the tip has contact on the ball would have anything to do with it not miscuing. This was with a 5/16 x 14 pin that does allow some play in it until it is screwed down completely. I am pretty sure that some of the tighter thread joints wouldn't be as effective in this test because it would not allow the shaft to move thus compressing the rubber in the joint.

Just thought I would ask.
 
Even better...I cored the forearm on my own personal playing cue with soft black abs plastic and then installed the pin into the abs. The "hit" is really something special. ;)
 
Johnny "V" said:
I have a Joss and wanted to find out what effect on the hit a rubber added joint would have. I bought a couple of rubber washers (1/16 inch thick) from home depot and slid 2 of them over the joint pin of my joss and screwed it back together. It turns out adding the cushion to the joint really deadens the vibration and turns a stiff joss hit to more of a soft thunk. Have any of you tried a hard rubber joint to lessen the vibrations in a cue? I must say the difference is quite noticable and somewhat better. I did play around with what effect it had on english and I did notice that I was able to put a little more english without miscueing. I would think that instead of the cueball jumping off the tip that the compression of the rubber in the joint, allowing the cue to essentially compress, keeps the tip on the ball for just a split second longer. I am wondering if the possible extra time the tip has contact on the ball would have anything to do with it not miscuing. This was with a 5/16 x 14 pin that does allow some play in it until it is screwed down completely. I am pretty sure that some of the tighter thread joints wouldn't be as effective in this test because it would not allow the shaft to move thus compressing the rubber in the joint.

Just thought I would ask.
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How straight is that cue with that rubber in the middle?:eek:
 
Johnny "V" said:
....rubber washers ... slid 2 of them over the joint pin of my joss and screwed it back together.
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What an interesting experiment. I applaud you for your creativeness and being open-minded enough to think this up, well done !

And Mr. Varney's experiment with the ABS is pretty cool too. Assuming he is serious, I find it suprising that a Varney Cue hits that much special'er after being cored with soft ABS .... I wonder how it hit before ?

Dave
 
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JoeyInCali said:
How straight is that cue with that rubber in the middle?:eek:
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It actually rolls pretty straight. It does get around a 1/8 of an inch roll out on it with the washers installed. I can live with that. I am going to play with it for a couple of weeks and see if I can get used to it. I really want to see if it makes a big difference in changing the way you apply english.
 
DaveK said:
And Mr. Varney's experiment with the ABS is pretty cool too. Assuming he is serious, I find it suprising that a Varney Cue hits that much special'er after being cored with soft ABS .... I wonder how it hit before ?

Dave
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I actually have no idea how it hit "before"...I made my cue this way from the start. It was just an experiment as I prefer a very soft hitting cue. All I know is everyone that hits a few balls with it ends up with a huge smile on their face & starts asking lots of questions. ;)
 
DaveK said:
What an interesting experiment. I applaud you for your creativeness and being open-minded enough to think this up, well done !

And Mr. Varney's experiment with the ABS is pretty cool too. Assuming he is serious, I find it suprising that a Varney Cue hits that much special'er after being cored with soft ABS .... I wonder how it hit before ?

Dave
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Thanks for the kind words. I just wish the billiard industry was big enough to be able to market a couple of products that I have prototypes of.

One of them is a great idea but damned if I can get someone to do a small enough run on it to see if it will sell. Smallest plastic run I can get is 1500 pieces at a buck a piece. Costs too much to tool it for such a small inventory.

Ahhh such is life.
 
Varney Cues said:
Even better...I cored the forearm on my own personal playing cue with soft black abs plastic and then installed the pin into the abs. The "hit" is really something special. ;)
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What is the joint made of?
 
Johnny "V" said:
I have a Joss and wanted to find out what effect on the hit a rubber added joint would have. I bought a couple of rubber washers (1/16 inch thick) from home depot and slid 2 of them over the joint pin of my joss and screwed it back together. It turns out adding the cushion to the joint really deadens the vibration and turns a stiff joss hit to more of a soft thunk. Have any of you tried a hard rubber joint to lessen the vibrations in a cue? I must say the difference is quite noticable and somewhat better. I did play around with what effect it had on english and I did notice that I was able to put a little more english without miscueing. I would think that instead of the cueball jumping off the tip that the compression of the rubber in the joint, allowing the cue to essentially compress, keeps the tip on the ball for just a split second longer. I am wondering if the possible extra time the tip has contact on the ball would have anything to do with it not miscuing. This was with a 5/16 x 14 pin that does allow some play in it until it is screwed down completely. I am pretty sure that some of the tighter thread joints wouldn't be as effective in this test because it would not allow the shaft to move thus compressing the rubber in the joint.

Just thought I would ask.
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I think you are kidding yourself into thinking this rubber has any effect at all. If you think your Joss has too hard of a hit, you can take it to a repair man or Qmaker & have him put a softer ferrule & tip on. Then you will have the hit softenen & your Q will still be screwed all of the way together. as far as misscues go it's my belief that 99% of them are caused by the player, not the tip of the Q. Hits too far out on the edge or dipping the Qtip on draw shots, are the reason for most miss hits...JER
 
BLACKHEARTCUES said:
I think you are kidding yourself into thinking this rubber has any effect at all. If you think your Joss has too hard of a hit, you can take it to a repair man or Qmaker & have him put a softer ferrule & tip on. Then you will have the hit softenen & your Q will still be screwed all of the way together. as far as misscues go it's my belief that 99% of them are caused by the player, not the tip of the Q. Hits too far out on the edge or dipping the Qtip on draw shots, are the reason for most miss hits...JER
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Just curious. If cue enthusiasts can tell the difference between a wood joint or a steel joint do you think there would be a substantial difference between a steel joint and a rubber joint?

BTW I have a 314 shaft on my joss. I like the hit of my joss but I wanted to see what effect the cushion had. Just wondering if anyone tried to incorporate it. Sounds like Mr Varney already has...
 
Johnny "V" said:
Does it give?
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I built a cue for a machine shop owner about 12 years ago. He wondered the same thing and he cut a groove into the flat faced steel joint to accept a washer. He made a few washers out of different substances such as rubber, delrin, fibre and a couple of other things. He could pop out one and replace with another as he was sure it would drastically change the feel of the cue. I shot some balls with a couple of different rings and although there was a difference in feel between no ring at all and having a ring I couldn't tell any difference in feel between the different hardness of the rings. I wasn't impressed.

Dick
 
I'm sure it allows the pin to flex a bit, but you can't feel it. What you do feel is an extremely quiet yet solid "hit" with no ping, ting, or harsh noise. In my opinion it feels much better than anything else.
 
Varney Cues said:
I'm sure it allows the pin to flex a bit, but you can't feel it. What you do feel is an extremely quiet yet solid "hit" with no ping, ting, or harsh noise. In my opinion it feels much better than anything else.
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Any plans to start doing this on all of you cues?
 
zeeder said:
Any plans to start doing this on all of you cues?
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Not really. Not unless its requested. Most people for some reason prefer a harder "hit" and would see no gain from it.
 
Rodney said:
Kevin,

Can you spray finish over the mp ivory sub? If so, do you need any special preperation?

Thanks,
Rodney
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I use MP ivory and had no problems finishing over it....
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Rodney said:
Kevin,

Can you spray finish over the mp ivory sub? If so, do you need any special preperation?

Thanks,
Rodney
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Like Craig said...no problems...it holds a finish nicely. Just don't get it too hot when sanding/buffing or you could have melting issues.;)
 
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