Jump cues for the pros, yes or no?

Jump Cues for Professional Pool

  • Yes, jump cues should be allowed in professional touraments.

    Votes: 53 53.0%

  • No, jump cues should not be allowed in professional tournaments.

    Votes: 47 47.0%
  • Total voters
    100
  • Poll closed .
Celtic said:
I have heard Donny Mills and Earl Strickland give their opinions on why jump cues should "not" be allowed, I have yet to truly hear a pro player that thinks jumps cues should be allowed. So maybe your own advice would lead you to think twice about your stance on the subject.
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Ok, that's two. So now we only have to hear from the other 1000 pro players around the world.

Shawn Putnam and Robin Dodson can probably be put in the like-jump-cues category. Fong Pang Chao probably likes them considering he won $50k when using one. So that's 3 for me and 2 for you :-)
 
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Originally Posted by risky biz
I can't vote because there's no definition of the tip composition on the jump cue.

Celtic said:
Thats OK, you are new around here but we already had THAT discussion as well when we discussed phenolic tips on jump cues and break cues so we don't need to discuss it yet again. Feel free to use the "search" function and catch up on that discussion though if you so desire.
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Oh, OK. So if I use the search function I can locate another thread somewhere that clarifies what this poll is about.

I think I understand now. Why this poll only got 84 votes, I mean.
 
risky biz said:
Does anyone know why this post of mine didn't show up in the thread for over 24 hours?
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Celtic:
"That is the second time you quoted and responded to the same post in the same thread...

The poll is straight forward and simple, you were being an ass so you got treated like one. Me and numerous other people on the other thread told you flat out it was the jump "cues" that were the key issue that needed discussing, not the shot itself."
 
Kim Bye said:
Jump cues ruin the game.
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Yes, it's in tatters because of jump cues. The game is no good, no one wants to play it or watch it because of jump cues.

Before Jump Cues came along there were pro tournaments every week for milliions of dollars, now they are lucky to have one per year.

Jump cues destroyed pool.
 
I do not own a jump cue an never will..I learned to jump with my player.
I think anyone that puts practice in to learn a skill an become good at it,should not be punished by those who can't..
 
simple answer is....


give it a rest. if you get your ass kicked by a jump cue, you didn't play a good enough safety. i can jump well, both full and short cue.

this is like saying the belly or the longer putters in golf, bring the game down. if you win or lose based on the other guys equiptment, then you weren't good enough to win in the first place. any one worth the weight in water on a pool table, especially the "pros" will (most of the time) go to the jump shot as a last resort.

i will put it in a simpler format, step up or shut up. if you got beat because your oponent got out a "crutch" then you didn't deserve the win in the first place.

now, can we all shut up on this topic. it's starting to sound like earl in this place!!!!!
 
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hmmm

Brozif said:
Simple answers is NO!

Players that are playing in Professional tournaments must consider themselves to be of a very high skill level. Therefore they are or should be highly versed on the art of kicking! They should be forced to use all of their abundant talent in the proper way. Professional players and those that think they are of that same skill level, should NOT be allowed to use jump cues. It would be like letting a marksman put a laser on his gun! Just a complete cheating aid!!

The only people that should use jump cues are AMATEURS. These people have not learned the art of kicking. They get incredibly excited when they make contact off of a one rail kick shot!!

Unfortunately, the introduction of these jump cues has pretty much put an end to the art of kicking. Everyone is so quick to reach for one of these gimmicky cues, that they don't take the time to learn how to kick. It's a shame really, so much beauty in the game when played properly.
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tap, tap , tap. Nuff Said right there.

A hanger in the pocket that you could kicked in with one rail, get position and not even worry about scratching. But here comes Air Banger ready for take off !! And they are so proud of themselves the few times they actually make it without scratching. LMAO
 
A cue is just a tool for playing pool. Limiting the types of tools just limits the level of play and accuracy you can achieve. If you think people who jump can't learn to kick like Efren, you'd be wrong. There are plenty of Taiwanese Filipino, and Japanese players who not only kick with amazing accuracy and creativity, they can also jump, make the ball, and make shape as if it were a normal shot. Not to mention the little explored realm of jump safes.

Adding jump cues only improves the level of play people can achieve, so why limit them because gramps doesn't want to put in the effort to learn how to use 'dem new fangled short cues.
 
Masayoshi said:
A cue is just a tool for playing pool. Limiting the types of tools just limits the level of play and accuracy you can achieve. If you think people who jump can't learn to kick like Efren, you'd be wrong.
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I think you would be in the minority if you start a poll that asks if any player on the planet can kick as well as Efren. Efren in his prime is pretty much the generally accepted highest level of kicking this game as ever seen.

The only thing jump cues did was limit the effect of Efren's dominance in that single area of the game by giving people an escape when they got smoked on the kicking/safety game. In effect the cue was their "get out of jail free" card afte they lost the safety battle.
 
Celtic said:
I think you would be in the minority if you start a poll that asks if any player on the planet can kick as well as Efren. Efren in his prime is pretty much the generally accepted highest level of kicking this game as ever seen.

The only thing jump cues did was limit the effect of Efren's dominance in that single area of the game by giving people an escape when they got smoked on the kicking/safety game. In effect the cue was their "get out of jail free" card afte they lost the safety battle.
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Efren pioneered the kick-safety, he is not, however, a significant amount better than the best kickers today. Its not a get out of jail free card. If it was, nobody would ever sell out from a jump, however, most amateurs do sell out from jumps often.
 
Jump cues?

As usual every one has on an opinion based on their skill or lack of skill in jumping,kicking,short cue,long cue, da de da.

I hate jump cues. I have bought jump cues and just can't pull them out of the case because my heart,neck,and back says its not right_not because I can't jump.

The real reason jump cues are needed is because of the ball in hand rule. If you don't like jump cues then change the rules back to a time when jump cues weren't needed.

All safeties are not 3 rail backspin masterpieces of work. The jump cue shot (though should be limited) is necessary to avoid an easy win using the ball in hand rule or the 3 foul rule.

The jump cue evens up the game as it is played in my opinion. But I still hate jump cues.:smile: I think Earl using a jump cue is a testament to this opinion.
 
Masayoshi said:
Its not a get out of jail free card. If it was, nobody would ever sell out from a jump, however, most amateurs do sell out from jumps often.
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People push out to offensive jumpshots though, far more then they ever push out to kicks. That says something to anyone with the will to listen.
 
If they don't allow it in snooker, there must be a good reason other than ball weight making it too easy in their sport. A beautiful Efren four rail kick/saftey is WAY more enjoyable to see than and Up&Over.
 
This is like asking if professional golfers should be allowed to use a gap wedge. Of course they should. Part of the game.
 
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