Jump cues, yes, no, rotation

2l82bgr8

2l82bgr8

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Should jump cues be legal?
As the owner of Bad Boys Billiard Productions, my first thought is make jump cues illegal. Every tournament I set up, someone starts practicing jumping. Mostly because they aren't allowed to jump at their home bar or pool hall. Unbelievablely they practice in the same spot, not good for my tables.
As a player:
I got good at jumping, because it is a good thing to have in your arsenal. If everyone is allowed to do it. However because they have made it so easy to jump, alot of player can't kick or multi rail to a good hit. I think jump cues hurt the game.
Saying that I have talked to many pro players, and have come to an idea that I think works for everyone. In a game of rotation (9-ball or 10-ball) where you only have one ball you can legally hit, then the jump cue makes sense. In 8-ball, straight pool, and one-pocket where you have several choices, I say the jump cue hurts the game.
What do you all think?
 
I personally would like it if jumps were illegal in all pocket games... (and billiard games also obviously)..

Yes, I can jump so this isn't self serving...
 
Not cues, just the jump shot should be illegal in any cue game. Own all the jump cues you like, just don't damage real tables with them. :smile:
 
jump cues in one pocket

Jump cues are not normally allowed in one pocket. if you jump you MUST use you playing cue. Of course if two people are gambling all things are up for negotiation.

MY personal feeling is that I would be happier if jump cues were not allowed.

but I also confess I carry one in my case and yes I use it
 
Quit crying

Too many times I see people crying about people using jump cues. Let's face it they are here, and people use them. So what if it makes jumping easy. People use special golf clubs for special shots, and everyone on this forum is always comparing the two.

It has been my experience if someone is good at jumping, but not good at kicking, banking, etc. then they won't typically win the tourney anyway. Also if you are a good or veteran player you will pick up on your opponents strengths and weaknesses and you will play killer defense anyway!

I.E. when I could jump but not kick well I was in a tourney that this guy quickly figured out I couldn't kick well so he kept leaving me where I couldn't jump and I had to kick! This guy played awesome defense! Wasn't a great shooter, but man could he put whitey where he wanted! Needless to say I lost that race 7-3.

In my opinion the more skilled player will win if they are consistent and know how to play defense. Accept the jump cue, learn to adapt and over come!
 
2l82bgr8 said:
Should jump cues be legal?
As the owner of Bad Boys Billiard Productions, my first thought is make jump cues illegal. Every tournament I set up, someone starts practicing jumping. Mostly because they aren't allowed to jump at their home bar or pool hall. Unbelievablely they practice in the same spot, not good for my tables.
As a player:
I got good at jumping, because it is a good thing to have in your arsenal. If everyone is allowed to do it. However because they have made it so easy to jump, alot of player can't kick or multi rail to a good hit. I think jump cues hurt the game.
Saying that I have talked to many pro players, and have come to an idea that I think works for everyone. In a game of rotation (9-ball or 10-ball) where you only have one ball you can legally hit, then the jump cue makes sense. In 8-ball, straight pool, and one-pocket where you have several choices, I say the jump cue hurts the game.
What do you all think?
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I think that your problem is not with the cue BUT with the player.
Jump on my friend.
randyg
 
I learned to jump when I was a kid about 20 some years ago and yes it actually was with a meucci. :smile:
I still use a full cue to jump, but it is also my break cue. I never could get used to those small cues.
There are times to jump and times to kick. Some people just don't know the difference IMHO.
 
Now since you are the owner of Bad Boys and you see players practicing the jump shots on your tournament tables and are creating wear marks that after a period of time, cost you money.

What you can do to prevent that is make it a policy that you can not practice jump shots or masse shots on tournament tables. To help enforce that policy, provide the players with a practice table just for them to practice those shots.
The Table could even be put in a corner to prevent the cue ball from flying all over the place. Before you say it, yes, put up some padding on the walls so you dont have to watch the cue ball go through the drywall.

Also, the table that you provide would be a table that needs to be recovered so its not like you would be worried about the cloth too much.

I feel that most players will police one another if they see someone practicing those shots on a tournament table and will point that individual over to the table that can be used to practice jump shots/masse's.

Just a thought that may save you some headaches and money in the long run.
 
As far as jump cues in rotation, yes or no. If they are made illegal, it kills a lot of the market which in turns kills some of the sponsor money. So in my opinion, its not a good idea in the long run to make them illegal.

How about this for a rule on the jump stick during rotation games, can not be used for your first shot in that inning.

That rule would still make a player know how to kick at balls from safety's from there opponent, but a player could use it if he/she hides themself after the first shot of an inning.
 
IMHO......

jump shots with your playing cue are fine in ANY game....

jump shots with a crutch (i.e. jump cues)......no room for them in my perfect world of cue sports!

I'm sorry....EVERY time I watch ANYONE try a jump shot with a short cue......it makes me reach for the listerine. Somehow, it just looks awkward, and contrived.


G.
 
Make jumping unnecessary

My understanding is that the pros needed to speed the game up for TV, so they changed from two shot shootout to present day rules. It's today's rules that make jumping so important. With the old rules, it was unnecessary.

It was a better game when you couldn't duck and get BIH so easily.
 
Jump shots

I suppose you want to go back to wood bats in baseball too. Sports evolve over time, get with the program or get beat.

Jumping is not THAT easy, to make the object ball anyway. So they might hit the object ball, it is nothing more than a kick would do too. Personally, I would rather kick than jump, but some situations call for a jump shot over a kick. You have to know the difference.

With jump cues, it forces players to learn to play better safeties to avoid a jump.

I even practice double hit safeties. How many of you do that? It paid off big time recently, as I played a double hit safety and froze the cue right on the 8 ball.
 
OMG!
They still use wooden bats in baseball, show me the jump cue makers who sponsor pool, way more pro players would like to see the jump stick go away. Just because it's there doesn't make it right. RandyG I do respect your opinion and I wish it was just the player, unfortunately it is many players ( that abuse the equipment, not on purpose, they just don't know how to jump) also seems like every tournament we do someone sees someone practicing jumping ANC goes over to show them how, and they don't know how.
Yes I also go over to the players and ask them not to practice, or at least move them to a table that is do to be recovered.
But here is the question to all, do we really need jump cues, do they make the game better, should they be legal?

Just asking for opinions!
 
It must be Tuesday--hack--did we not have this conversation last week, the week before, and the week before that?

I think jump cues and jumps should be legal. There are certain positions you can't get out of without a jump. If you want to make jumps and jump cues illegal, then you have to abandon the 3-foul rules.

If you, as the owner of the table, have a problem with people learning how to jump, then next time new cloth goes on the table(s) get a bunch of squares cut (from the excess). Then make a rule where if one wants to practice jumping, they have to put a square of the cloth between the CB and the cloth on the table. {I do this when I practice at home.} Presto, no more pock marks on the table. {To be sure, I would want the break CB to be positioned over a square of cloth also to prevent break burn marks. The square can be pulled off the table with a string before balls are deflected.}
 
Persimmon woods are the best. Ban the metal drivers and all oversized ones too.:thumbup:

I'm not a fan of jumping but I don't know of a legit reason to ban them. So, I practice.
 
I'm not a big fan of jump cues but I own one and know how to use it. It wouldn't bother me if they became illegal but in my experience they don't get whipped out that much anyway so I'm not up in arms about it.

Do not approve of the jump cue in straight pool though.
 
I think a jump cue should remain legal as it is just another piece of equipment to be used in your arsenal to win a pool match. I can jump with the cue I would play a match with and a jump cue but I can also kick multiple rails to make contact as well. I know I don't have a lot of posts in the forums but that is my 2 cents on that.

Bud
 
2l82bgr8 said:
Should jump cues be legal?
As the owner of Bad Boys Billiard Productions, my first thought is make jump cues illegal. Every tournament I set up, someone starts practicing jumping. Mostly because they aren't allowed to jump at their home bar or pool hall. Unbelievablely they practice in the same spot, not good for my tables.
As a player:
I got good at jumping, because it is a good thing to have in your arsenal. If everyone is allowed to do it. However because they have made it so easy to jump, alot of player can't kick or multi rail to a good hit. I think jump cues hurt the game.
Saying that I have talked to many pro players, and have come to an idea that I think works for everyone. In a game of rotation (9-ball or 10-ball) where you only have one ball you can legally hit, then the jump cue makes sense. In 8-ball, straight pool, and one-pocket where you have several choices, I say the jump cue hurts the game.
What do you all think?
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I think that the absence of the jump cue at Derby City in the nine ball event makes it the best event to watch all year. And, yes, the cream rose to the top this year at Derby City as Orcullo and Van Boening reached the final of the nine ball event. No part of nine ball is more majestic than the kicking game, but the fans are too often denied its majesty by the jump cue.

The suggestion that most snookers occur by chance may be pool's greatest myth.
 
Its here to stay

I say this cause the verry basic of basic players are now carrying and useing a jump or jump break. At our VNEA state tourney they were selling cheep jumps for $45 al day long. Once the field is saturated you willl never get rid of them.
If you want to get rid of the jump, your only hope is that they never master the shot and they get tired of giving up ball in hand. By the way the new magnetic cue ball for bar boxes are lighter than ever and jump verry nice.

I can take it or leave it , Im to lazy to get it out during a game, and not to bold as to sit with the thing standing up in my case like Im hoping to hook my self so I can pull it out like a samri sword. J.M.O
 
I like one cue per person per match

with one back up cue and if you switch to it you can't switch back until the next match.. in case you pop a tip off or something
 
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