Jump sticks have changed the game
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I agree. See far more games lost after a jump than games won. MAY save giving up BIH but it still still usually results in a loss.
Not sure where you get this stat from but I would say that based on my experience that this is not accurate. I don't have the time to go over dozens of youtube videos to find jump shots and note whether the game was lost as a result of the jump shot but I think that statistically your assertion is unlikely to be bourn out by the data.
I watch a ton of top level pool. The make percentage for jumps at the pro level is nowhere near 50%.
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Believe whatever you want. I'm just going by my own eyes. For every game i've seen won due to a jump i've seen at least three lost due to either scratching, ball jumped off the table or just a bad hit.
They may jump it but is the outcome good? I see guys jump all the time and sell out. Far more often than they win.
I agree.
85% of the time I assume I will get BIH when they pull out their jump cue.
um, ok, sounds like the people you are around need to learn to jump. You might as well say that the majority of games lost are due to faulty aiming or a bad stroke or wrong patterns. OF course someone who is barely proficient at a skill is going to have less success than those who are proficient. If only those people had someone to teach them properly......
Not against me you wouldn't. A good part of the time you would hooked after my jump shot if that's what I wanted to happen.
That wasn't the point. The comment was that the vast majority of jump shots are followed by a loss due to the jump shot. I don't think that this is true. However if anyone wants to compile the data with links I would change my mind if proven wrong. I have seen a lot of important matches and sets won with a jump shot at a critical moment.
You play against some really cruddy jumpers. I know 400 Fargo guys that are a lot better than that!
What’s the make percentage for kicking?
2 different tools in the box. Hell, there have been times when I’ve needed to jump into a kick to hit my ball...
John, there is a reason you see highlights of jumps that succeed, and don't see the many more that don't.
As with the kicks that succeed.
It’s worth remembering that a jump or a kick is usually only taken because you’re already in a difficult/unfavorable situation. With the possible exception of very top level players, unless the setup is ideal, most people aren’t making a very high percentage of either jumps or kicks out of jail.
What counts as success? If the majority of jump shots are unsuccessful then why are people so against jump cues? Clearly they are very difficult shots that require a great deal of practice to have even a tiny bit of success.
In all my years I have never thought of using the alleged low success rate of jump shots to indicate how difficult they are. You made a great point.
It's a very tough statistic, I think. Most of the time, when you jump, you are in trouble anyway and may sell out even with a kick. The fact that you were hooked was then the reason why you lost, probably.
Jumpshots can potentially win games, but often do not. I think the make percentage for most players, even at the highest level is pretty abysmal. Often, when people win with jumpshots, they miss and get a lucky return safe. Unless my opponent has a very easy shot to make, I fancy my chances to get back to the table, even against high levels of competitors. Even with relatively easy shots, unless the player is quite good at jumping, I'm probably a favourite to get back to the table. I do think that the make percentage for most players can be easily improved, though.
just as with so many other technological advances in pool
jump cues have certainly changed the game
personally, I think phenolic should be reserved for making pool balls
it sounds so dissonant when used for a tip, chalking and hitting
to see a player run to the jumper like a reflex when hooked is also unattractive
once in awhile, I will see a jump that impresses me
but I'd rather see a good kick, any ol' time
there is an art to everything..different strokes for different folks (literally ^_^)
jump cues have certainly changed the game
personally, I think phenolic should be reserved for making pool balls
it sounds so dissonant when used for a tip, chalking and hitting
to see a player run to the jumper like a reflex when hooked is also unattractive
once in awhile, I will see a jump that impresses me
but I'd rather see a good kick, any ol' time
there is an art to everything..different strokes for different folks (literally ^_^)
At the pro level I would say making the hit from a jump is 95% and up and the make rate is over 50% Amateur's that use the jump cue a lot will be around that 90% and up getting a hit. Probably less than 50% on the make. Depending on the placement of the object ball, I would think the kick make rate is lower than that of the jump.