Jumping with a Full Length Cue!

TheWhiteEwok said:
I have recently joined the rank of APA 9 ball league to get some League practice in and I grimly learned that I am not able to jump in APA unless I use my full length cue.

In practice however - it is much harder to accomplish compared to jumping with a broken down jump cue.

Can anybody provide some advice, or tips, regarding things to pay attention to or focus when you are learning to jump with a full length cue?
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The APA claims that high skill players have an advantage against low skill players, so they don't allow the jump cue. This is bullsh!t, as I've been a victim of this rule several times in APA 9-ball and always against SL 6 and above players. With certain shots, kicking and masse shots are just not a viable option, and and I'm pretty good at kick shots.

For most shots, I am able to jump just fine with my breaking cue. If you have a real stiff break cue with a phenolic tip, there's not a big difference in jumping with a long cue and jumping with a jump cue for most shots. If the cue ball is real close to the ball you're jumping over, and there are no decent kicking or masse options, you're screwed unless you can really jack up and grip your cue almost like you would with a long cue which is very difficult to do. You can forget about a dark stroke too. You'll probably foul and a good 7 will run out on you.
 
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FAST_N_LOOSE said:
as a nine, try switching to a harder tip. It will make you even more accurate, and as a 9, you should have a true enough stroke to not miscue with it. That hard tip will also make it much easier to jump.

I agree that the jump cues should be legal.

We've been to vegas a few times now, asa team, and as a doubles team with my wife, and the apa is good for that stuff. If it's about being the best, than the apa isn't the best outlet. Just go, enjoy it, and laugh at how bad some of the other players are.....lol
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I havent been to vegas since 2001. We got 19th, a fair showing.

Unfortunately, All the dumping, or should i say, "handicap management" needed to compete at that level in the APA really left a foul taste in my mouth. I can vivdly remember one match, I was a 5 playing another 5. I won the match in 7 innings. 38-34. We both put up 19 ball runs.

Once we got back I informed my team at the time that I am going to play to win, period. I like winning waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to much to dump. :-P

Im glad im a 9, even though I do not get to play as much as I would like. Typically Ill find some 20$ sets to play while the team shoots, and they can bother me for the occasional coach ;-)

I use a hercules medium tip. A "realtively" hard tip. I think the 314 is the problem for me. Ah well. I dont need to jump to beat people on league nights ;-)
 
poolfoole said:
The APA claims that high skill players have an advantage against low skill players, so they don't allow the jump cue. This is bullsh!t, as I've been a victim of this rule several times in APA 9-ball and always against SL 6 and above players. With certain shots, kicking and masse shots are just not a viable option, and and I'm pretty good at kick shots.

For most shots, I am able to jump just fine with my breaking cue. If you have a real stiff break cue with a phenolic tip, there's not a big difference in jumping with a long cue and jumping with a jump cue for most shots. If the cue ball is real close to the ball you're jumping over, and there are no decent kicking or masse options, you're screwed unless you can really jack up and grip your cue almost like you would with a long cue which is very difficult to do. You can forget about a dark stroke too. You'll probably foul and a good 7 will run out on you.
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yup. Or when they break dry and hook the bat-snot outta ya. Then commence a two rack run. POOF you're down 40 balls with the spot. :-P
 
poolfoole said:
The APA claims that high skill players have an advantage against low skill players, so they don't allow the jump cue. This is bullsh!t, as I've been a victim of this rule several times in APA 9-ball and always against SL 6 and above players. With certain shots, kicking and masse shots are just not a viable option, and and I'm pretty good at kick shots.

For most shots, I am able to jump just fine with my breaking cue. If you have a real stiff break cue with a phenolic tip, there's not a big difference in jumping with a long cue and jumping with a jump cue for most shots. If the cue ball is real close to the ball you're jumping over, and there are no decent kicking or masse options, you're screwed unless you can really jack up and grip your cue almost like you would with a long cue which is very difficult to do. You can forget about a dark stroke too. You'll probably foul and a good 7 will run out on you.
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I will actively admit that I am new to competitive pool and a lot of my skill sets need to grow - one is jumping. I have a decent % for attempting and accomplishing jump shots (in the sense of not only jumping it but making the ball also) - but this is only with a shortened cue.

From my understanding there isnt much difference in jumping with a regular cue compared to a short one - its just an issue of matching the correct acceleration to compensate for the additional mass - so I realize its an issue of my lacking in stroke ability - so alas, I will practice my butt off.

I am not a huge fan of APA - for various reasons. But when you are a newb any practice will help, even if it is APA.
 
TheWhiteEwok said:
Tip is a hard buffalo pressed on a predator z2 shaft

yes - LO will let me use my break cue to jump with, i just cant break it down.

I try to avoid having to jump at all costs, but sometimes having the ability comes useful. I would like to just be prepared for this different league with different set of rules.
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As an FYI....the new APA rule in 2009 is you must jump with your regular playing cue. Regular playing cue is defined as the cue you take the majority of your shots with. Obviously this prevents those of us who were jumping with our break cues from doing so. (I can jump w/ my full break cue but not w/ my playing cue.)
 
APA Gene said:
As an FYI....the new APA rule in 2009 is you must jump with your regular playing cue. Regular playing cue is defined as the cue you take the majority of your shots with. Obviously this prevents those of us who were jumping with our break cues from doing so. (I can jump w/ my full break cue but not w/ my playing cue.)
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I thought that was the rule all along...when I went to vegas (a looong time ago) they stated that as a rule then...you can't switch cues in the middle of the game....hmmm....oh well....I don't play APA anymore but good to know.
 
BryanBpool said:
yup. Or when they break dry and hook the bat-snot outta ya. Then commence a two rack run. POOF you're down 40 balls with the spot. :-P
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I've had that happen a few times against good 7s and 8s. I could've made a good hit pretty routinely with a jump cue, but the rule wouldn't let me use it. I had to go for some impossible kick instead. Then my opponent runs 2 racks.
 
poolfoole said:
I've had that happen a few times against good 7s and 8s. I could've made a good hit pretty routinely with a jump cue, but the rule wouldn't let me use it. I had to go for some impossible kick instead. Then my opponent runs 2 racks.
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Yup. Been there, done that.

Its no fun at all. :-(
 
TheWhiteEwok said:
I will actively admit that I am new to competitive pool and a lot of my skill sets need to grow - one is jumping. I have a decent % for attempting and accomplishing jump shots (in the sense of not only jumping it but making the ball also) - but this is only with a shortened cue.

From my understanding there isnt much difference in jumping with a regular cue compared to a short one - its just an issue of matching the correct acceleration to compensate for the additional mass - so I realize its an issue of my lacking in stroke ability - so alas, I will practice my butt off.
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The closer the cue ball is to the ball you're jumping over, the harder it is to compensate. Most of the time, it's not a big problem. Occasionally, the no jump cue rule bites you in the ass.
 
Watch videos of Earl Strickland.

He can jump better with a full length cue, than alot of people can with jump cue.
 
s'portplayer said:
Watch videos of Earl Strickland.

He can jump better with a full length cue, than alot of people can with jump cue.
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Oh I have - that man has an immense stroke!

I know its possibly - so I will be able to do it eventually, with enough practice ... just right now - its hard!!
 
Believe it or not but I've never held a jump cue in my life (and I have my own table at home). So up until only a few weeks ago, I've never really attempted jumping, only because it was just too darn hard for me to do so with a full cue.

One day the fact that I never jumped a ball my entire life gave me the motivation to practice until I could successfully jump an entire ball with a full cue. Man that was a sweet feeling that first successful jump attempt. I still have no clue how much easier it is to jump with a jump cue, but from posts in this thread it seems that it's MUCH easier.

Anyway, I've found that the further away the obstruction ball (OB) is from the CB (obviously to a point), the easier it is to jump with a full cue. The closer the OB is to the CB, the more you'd have to elevate, and the harder it is to impart the necessary power to the CB with a full cue for the CB to jump an entire ball. The sweet spot for me is about 1-1.5 diamonds between CB and OB.

Oh, and I find it MUCH easier to jump a red circle CB than it is to jump the measles ball.
 
I personnally use a J&J 4414 jump/break with an Aegis ferrule and triangle tip. Been that way for years for over a decade. I used to practice jumpping a lot and often choose full cue or broken down to jump section only depending on the distance. Full cue, I have yet to jump over a full ball even after all the practice. Broken down to jump section only, full ball jump is pretty easy. Cueball control after jump is where I have a problem with. I have yet to try a phelonic tip on my jump/break.
 
socks said:
yeah....learn to kick....
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lol amen to that. Id rather kick all day long, than jump. not always possible though.



and for the orignal question. practice.I never could jump consistently in the past. but since ive been working on it lately im able to clear a full ball from like 6 inches away. It really comes in handy. Practice till you cant lift your arm. Then switch hands.
 
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s'portplayer said:
Watch videos of Earl Strickland.

He can jump better with a full length cue, than alot of people can with jump cue.
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That's true, but I've never seen him do a dart stroke and jump a cue ball over a blocking just 1 or 2 balls width away. Some jump shots you just can't do with a full length cue.
 
Jump shot is the only option sometimes

socks said:
yeah....learn to kick....
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The main people who say this are people who don't know how to jump.

Some shots are impossible to hit in any way except a jump shot. I defy you to find a kick shot, or any shot other than a jump shot that will keep you from 3 fouling here. About 4:35 on the video. Shots like these are why jump shots are an essential part of 9-ball.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja9y8Lv_A1s
 
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Jump shot is the only option sometimes

TXsouthpaw said:
lol amen to that. Id rather kick all day long, than jump. not always possible though.



and for the orignal question. practice.I never could jump consistently in the past. but since ive been working on it lately im able to clear a full ball from like 6 inches away. It really comes in handy. Practice till you cant lift your arm. Then switch hands.
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Sometimes a jump shot is the only option.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja9y8Lv_A1s
 
fine, blah ...i'll give an honest answer :P

the trick to make clearign a full ball as easy as possible is as others have stated a hard tip in conjunction with a high squirt shaft.

also, because theres more mass envolved, theres going to require more power input form stroke wich will really send the cb flying so acouple good rules of thumb when using full cue:
if the distance between cb and blocking ball is less than a diamond, try something else.
if the distance between the cb and blocking ball is more than 3 diamonds, your lekly to jump off the table.
if the distance between blocking ball and object ball is less than about 2 diamomds, try something else.
if the distance between the cb and the rail behind is less than 3 diamonds, your likely to jump off table.


basically, when jumping, the angle of the cb off the table will equal the angle of the cue stick, and then the angle of return will be equal as well. the variance is the power applied wich will equal the peak hieght the cb achieves at the top of its arch before macking its return back down. the more power the higher the arch , the more clearance, but when dealing in full stick jumping, your limited to the angle that can be achieved with the cue stick.
 
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