Jumping with a Full Length Cue!

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TheWhiteEwok

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I have recently joined the rank of APA 9 ball league to get some League practice in and I grimly learned that I am not able to jump in APA unless I use my full length cue.

In practice however - it is much harder to accomplish compared to jumping with a broken down jump cue.

Can anybody provide some advice, or tips, regarding things to pay attention to or focus when you are learning to jump with a full length cue?
 
To jump with a full cue, is going to take some serious practice. It's the same stroke as when using a jump cue, just be sure to follow through with a good firm stroke. A hard tip is also going to be helpful. A soft tip, or even some medium tips will compress to much, and not allow you to get the cue out of the way of the rebounding cueball.

It's not easy, so good luck.
 
Similar principals apply.....35-45% angle.....firm stroke....you can jump about 75% of a ball.....there maybe others with more talent than myself, I cannot jump a full ball.....FYI, I only use my playing cue to jump, I'm a bit old school and still have not learned to use a jumper....I also like to kick like the other poster...
 
thewhiteewok said:
falcon jump break cue ... Kind of low end, but works "well" - i have a white diamond phenolic tip.
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what type of tip and shaft on your playing cue? Or will your league operator let you switch back to your break cue to jump (it's illegal to do so after you break)
 
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
what type of tip and shaft on your playing cue? Or will your league operator let you switch back to your break cue to jump (it's illegal to do so after you break)
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Tip is a hard buffalo pressed on a predator z2 shaft

yes - LO will let me use my break cue to jump with, i just cant break it down.

I try to avoid having to jump at all costs, but sometimes having the ability comes useful. I would like to just be prepared for this different league with different set of rules.
 
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
i jump with my predator...... What type of tip are you using?
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I use medium hard to hard tips (Sniper, LePro or Triumph).
Now I only play with originals shafts. I can jump well, even full ball jump (depends on the distance between CB and the ball to jump). I was playing before with a Z first gen shaft. I've not even tried to jump with it. Before that I had a 314 first gen 12.25 mm. I've never successfully jumped with it. I ve got to precise that I can jump from far before I first use a pred shaft.
 
thewhiteewok said:
tip is a hard buffalo pressed on a predator z2 shaft

yes - lo will let me use my break cue to jump with, i just cant break it down.

I try to avoid having to jump at all costs, but sometimes having the ability comes useful. I would like to just be prepared for this different league with different set of rules.
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jumping with the z will be very very tough.

If you can use your break cue, just get some practice time with it. You're not going to be able to jump with the cb close to the ob, but once you get it down, you'll have another weapon in your arsenal
 
TheWhiteEwok said:
I have recently joined the rank of APA 9 ball league to get some League practice in and I grimly learned that I am not able to jump in APA unless I use my full length cue.

In practice however - it is much harder to accomplish compared to jumping with a broken down jump cue.

Can anybody provide some advice, or tips, regarding things to pay attention to or focus when you are learning to jump with a full length cue?
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Does it have to be the cue you play with?
 
macguy said:
does it have to be the cue you play with?
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as per apa rules, it has to be the cue you play with. The only time a different cue can be used is for teh break shot.

But, his league operator allows them to go back to their break cue.
 
my advice would be to get a cheap J&J jump break with a phenolic tip, and learn to jump with it without breaking it down. That, or get a cheap sneaky and put a super pro or a super hard pressed tip. either will jump great, the only drawback being that you wont be able to make close jump shots. it'll save your tip on your cue a beating especially considering you're going to start practicing jumping which is pretty rough on a tip.
 
If you have a white diamond or similar type tip, it shouldnt be much of a problem. I jump full stick no matter what. The looser the cue is in your hands at the moment of impact, the better. Thats the only advice i got and it worked for me.
 
TheWhiteEwok said:
Tip is a hard buffalo pressed on a predator z2 shaft

yes - LO will let me use my break cue to jump with, i just cant break it down.

I try to avoid having to jump at all costs, but sometimes having the ability comes useful. I would like to just be prepared for this different league with different set of rules.
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I wil have to get this clarified in my league.

Two sessions ago they said that you can switch cues to jump, but the jump must be made with a full length cue. I have -0- issues jumping with the full length break cue (given the cue ball isnt too close to the object ball.)

Last session I was told that the rule was reversed, again, and that if I wanted to jump, my playing cue must be used. No go on that one. The 314-2 doesnt cooperate quite as well as the phenolic break cue. :-p

I wasnt shocked when I heard the rule was reversed. The APA does everything to hose the higher handicaps. No push etc etc. puke.
 
bryanbpool said:
i wil have to get this clarified in my league.

Two sessions ago they said that you can switch cues to jump, but the jump must be made with a full length cue. I have -0- issues jumping with the full length break cue (given the cue ball isnt too close to the object ball.)

last session i was told that the rule was reversed, again, and that if i wanted to jump, my playing cue must be used. No go on that one. The 314-2 doesnt cooperate quite as well as the phenolic break cue. :-p

i wasnt shocked when i heard the rule was reversed. The apa does everything to hose the higher handicaps. No push etc etc. Puke.
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per apa rule, you must jump with your playing cue. Imo that favors the better players. The 2's 3's and 4's on my team have no chance to jump with a full lenght cue with a leather tip.
 
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
per apa rule, you must jump with your playing cue. Imo that favors the better players. The 2's 3's and 4's on my team have no chance to jump with a full lenght cue with a leather tip.
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I guess you could look at it that way, but with a LD shaft and a softer tip jumping is damn difficult. I can do the partial ball jumps, but full balls are out of the question. For me at least.

IMO they should allow jump cues. If you can use it properly, good for you.

The APA adjusts the rules of the game, and it irritates me a bit. :-) I was raised to a 9 this session, and the only reason im still playing is because of the people on my team. They team would fold if Im not on it, and they enjoy the APA format much more than I.

Hell, I enjoyed it too when I was a 5 back in 2001. :-)
 
bryanbpool said:
i guess you could look at it that way, but with a ld shaft and a softer tip jumping is damn difficult. I can do the partial ball jumps, but full balls are out of the question. For me at least.

Imo they should allow jump cues. If you can use it properly, good for you.

The apa adjusts the rules of the game, and it irritates me a bit. :-) i was raised to a 9 this session, and the only reason im still playing is because of the people on my team. They team would fold if im not on it, and they enjoy the apa format much more than i.

Hell, i enjoyed it too when i was a 5 back in 2001. :-)
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as a nine, try switching to a harder tip. It will make you even more accurate, and as a 9, you should have a true enough stroke to not miscue with it. That hard tip will also make it much easier to jump.

I agree that the jump cues should be legal.

We've been to vegas a few times now, asa team, and as a doubles team with my wife, and the apa is good for that stuff. If it's about being the best, than the apa isn't the best outlet. Just go, enjoy it, and laugh at how bad some of the other players are.....lol
 
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