Just a FYI to streamers

Matt90

Matt90

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Happend to notice on facebook that this site is posting all the live streams
on there facebook page and to me it looks like they are wording it to where it
looks more like they are doing the streaming . I may be wrong but if anyone has
facebook I am sure you can see what I mean . Streaming can be a big
enough pain at times , let alone some other page getting the credit .
To be clear I have no problem with any other page posting a stream I do to
there page ,but I wan't it to be posted as a stream I am doing and not look
like they are doing it . I'm sure some of the others will feel the same .Getting
more people to watch streams is great but don't let other people take the credit for your work.
http://www.billiardcommunity.com/home.php

http://www.facebook.com/#/pages/BilliardCommunitycom/167215048834?ref=ts
 
also

I posted that it looked like they should say AZBtv is streaming the Turning stone .About 20 secs after I posted to there facebook page it was erased:rolleyes:
 
Matt90, what they are doing is fine. After all, they never say that they are "hosting the stream". They are only saying that they are "streaming" the event and this is exactly what embedding a stream is called.

This after all is the whole purpose behind embedding and sharing public streams. - to get as much traffic to the stream as possible.

The provider (or host) should always make sure to announce that they are the official streamer through the channel setting and/or embedding text to the video window.

Otherwise, what other suggestions would you recommend? Maybe placing an additional message right below the video screen which says "This stream is being provided by 'x' " ?
 
mr10 said:
Matt90, what they are doing is fine. After all, they never say that they are "hosting the stream". They are only saying that they are "streaming" the event and this is exactly what embedding a stream is called.

This after all is the whole purpose behind embedding and sharing public streams. - to get as much traffic to the stream as possible.

The provider (or host) should always make sure to announce that they are the official streamer through the channel setting and/or embedding text to the video window.

Otherwise, what other suggestions would you recommend? Maybe placing an additional message right below the video screen which says "This stream is being provided by 'x' " ?
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The ONLY person streaming it is the one who puts in the hours and time to do it. I probably would have no problem with it if they simply asked or made some kind of arrangement like everyone else does. They shouldn't say THEY are the ones streaming it either, It flat out deception.

No too smart either. :shocked:

Ray
 
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They did make an affiliation or some kinda partnership recently.
The Joss Tour and Billiard Community, Zuglan even mentioned that at the event.
 
oldzilla said:
They did make an affiliation or some kinda partnership recently.
The Joss Tour and Billiard Community, Zuglan even mentioned that at the event.
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Thanks for that info Zilla, that does make a difference, however I still do not like the way that they word it on the Facebook page.

Steve
 
Bigtruck said:
The ONLY person streaming it is the one who puts in the hours and time to do it. I probably would have no problem with it if they simply asked or made some kind of arrangement like everyone else does. They shouldn't say THEY are the ones streaming it either, It flat out deception.

No too smart either. :shocked:

Ray
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Ray,

The Bigtruck show was not listed on the facebook page but on the Community Billiards site it was listed as ''Bigtruck" and a clickable link. I clicked the link and was required to be a member of Billiard Community before being able to view. I did not join to see what happened next.

Steve
 
mr10 said:
Matt90, what they are doing is fine. After all, they never say that they are "hosting the stream". They are only saying that they are "streaming" the event and this is exactly what embedding a stream is called.

This after all is the whole purpose behind embedding and sharing public streams. - to get as much traffic to the stream as possible.

The provider (or host) should always make sure to announce that they are the official streamer through the channel setting and/or embedding text to the video window.

Otherwise, what other suggestions would you recommend? Maybe placing an additional message right below the video screen which says "This stream is being provided by 'x' " ?
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What is your affiliation?, you have 1 post on here and it is about that. Plain and simple, they are not streaming it, they are embedding it, anyone can copy and paste the embed code to the stream on there site, but they should get permission first. I DO NOT approve of Billiard Community embedding On The Rail and if they would like to they need to change how they word it and say the live stream is provided by On The Rail. I am not happy about this at all. :mad:
 
oldzilla said:
They did make an affiliation or some kinda partnership recently.
The Joss Tour and Billiard Community, Zuglan even mentioned that at the event.
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in just stating what i know i would also like to say i am not in favor of what billiard community seems to be doing. it seems they want to take credit for bringing alot of video imho. just a middle man ! glory hogs !
 
At least

Fast Lenny said:
What is your affiliation?, you have 1 post on here and it is about that. Plain and simple, they are not streaming it, they are embedding it, anyone can copy and paste the embed code to the stream on there site, but they should get permission first. I DO NOT approve of Billiard Community embedding On The Rail and if they would like to they need to change how they word it and say the live stream is provided by On The Rail. I am not happy about this at all. :mad:
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Glad I was able to point these posers out . Maybe we should talk to Ustream
about making it a little harder for just anyone to do this :confused:
 
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This is far from the first time that these guys have pulled this stuff. They post it on Facebook to try to draw people to register on their site. They also like to pull the "hit and run" technique by logging into a stream and posted an ad for their site and then logging off before they can be banned.

It is the way they do business. By trying to take advantage of someone else's hard work.

Mike
 
oldzilla said:
They did make an affiliation or some kinda partnership recently.
The Joss Tour and Billiard Community, Zuglan even mentioned that at the event.
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So who is running the site/ program? The pool world is too small, someone knows who is behind the site, especially if the tour mentioned it.

I agree that they should re-word some things or ask for permission, but I like the idea. Aside from the AZ forum, this could be a new place to find good streams.

Lenny, has he used or mentioned your streams? If he contacted you and said he would be posting the link and asked for permission, would you be ok with it?

I understand the fact that this person is only trying to get people to sign up for the site, but maybe if one of the regular streamers contacted them and discussed your concerns this could be beneficial for both of you?

Merry day before XMas eve!!!!
 
MahnaMahna said:
So who is running the site/ program? The pool world is too small, someone knows who is behind the site, especially if the tour mentioned it.

I agree that they should re-word some things or ask for permission, but I like the idea. Aside from the AZ forum, this could be a new place to find good streams.

Lenny, has he used or mentioned your streams? If he contacted you and said he would be posting the link and asked for permission, would you be ok with it?

I understand the fact that this person is only trying to get people to sign up for the site, but maybe if one of the regular streamers contacted them and discussed your concerns this could be beneficial for both of you?

Merry day before XMas eve!!!!
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Why get sideways with the grinders in the field that are producing the content? It's bad business. Period.

Not even Ustream goes around saying THEY are streaming anyone's shows.

There is a plan underway for pool streamers to centralize. It's a good idea, the producers will be involved though and credit will be given were credit is due.

Ray
 
Bigtruck said:
Why get sideways with the grinders in the field that are producing the content? It's bad business. Period.

Not even Ustream goes around saying THEY are streaming anyone's shows.

There is a plan underway for pool streamers to centralize. It's a good idea, the producers will be involved though and credit will be given were credit is due.

Ray
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No no, I am with ya. Can thank you enough for the work you put in, and you should get every cent of credit.

I was posting this more as an uneducated observer.
 
The guys who do the work should absolutely be given the credit for streaming, not BilliardCommunity.com. I have seen this mentioned, also. It certainly agitated me, since we pay to sponsor some of the streams. We are NOT paying to sponsor any streaming done by BilliardCommunity.com.

I know an attorney who I believe deals with a good bit of internet stuff. If this continues, I may just give him a call.
 
Who are these guys?

I'm curious to know the thoughts of the "Legal Community" posting on these AZ Forums herewith, regarding this topic wherein.



Matt90 said:
Happend to notice on facebook that this site is posting all the live streams
on there facebook page and to me it looks like they are wording it to where it
looks more like they are doing the streaming . I may be wrong but if anyone has
facebook I am sure you can see what I mean . Streaming can be a big
enough pain at times , let alone some other page getting the credit .
To be clear I have no problem with any other page posting a stream I do to
there page ,but I wan't it to be posted as a stream I am doing and not look
like they are doing it . I'm sure some of the others will feel the same .Getting
more people to watch streams is great but don't let other people take the credit for your work.
http://www.billiardcommunity.com/home.php

http://www.facebook.com/#/pages/BilliardCommunitycom/167215048834?ref=ts
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mr10 said:
Here is BilliardCommunity.com's response - http://www.billiardcommunity.com/content.php?page=announcement-streaming-01

They are absolutely correct in this matter!
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Where on that list does it say that the person with the camera is Streaming.

What a joke!

Here is the content from that link so no one will need to click on the link.
Announcement: Streaming on BilliardCommunity.com

Recently, there have been some "rumors" that BilliardCommunity.com is claiming to stream events without crediting the streaming hosts, providers, partners and/or sponsor(s) and thus claiming "credit for the stream". We are setting the record straight in saying that this theory is completely false.

BilliardCommunity.com has always fully credited the sponsors, partners, providers & hosts in every single stream it has partaken in and will continue to do so as we "stream events" or "help to distribute streaming for events". We are happy to provide this service 100% free of charge to our Billiard Community.

There seems to be a misunderstanding in streaming terminology and this is where this issue has originated from. The following are industry definitions and an example for each.

Streaming Media Multimedia which are constantly received by, and normally presented to, an end-user while being delivered by a "media streamer".
Streaming Media Example: The Northeast Joss Tour Stream

Streaming ProviderA person, firm, organization, company or website which provides all equipment and services thus providing the streaming media to the end-users.
Streaming Provider Example: Ustream.tv

Streaming Host The hosting server which provides the website, bandwidth and all online services enabling the streaming provider.
Streaming Host Example: CrystalLogicMedia.com

Streaming Sponsor A person, firm, organization, company or website which finances and buys the time to stream an event online so as to advertise a product and/or service.
Streaming Sponsor Example: Simonis Billiard Cloth

Streaming Partner A person, firm, organization, company or website which participates as a partner to the streaming provider and/or streaming sponsor for the purpose of funding/financing or advertising.
Streaming Partner Example: Amsterdam Billiards

Media Streamer A website which helps the streaming provider, streaming sponsor(s) and streaming partner(s) in the distribution of the streaming media. NOTE: A media streamer’s responsibility is to provide the stream via their website. In other words, any website which provides the media stream is considered a "streamer" because they are simply providing the stream to end-users. Whether or not the streamer is also a provider, host, sponsor or partner is irrelevant in terms of the Media Streamer. Media Streamer Example: BilliardCommunity.com
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Saying that they are streaming it is in my opinion wrong. However, due to the nature of UStream, Justin.tv and Livestream.com it is very easy for anyone to embed a given stream into another site.

You cannot stop this unless you can via contacting the service provider direct.

We counteracted some of this by paying for our own service and sotware licence from a third party and it has given us great results.

Centralising all streams is a good idea and something that I may be able to help with.
 
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