Just a man's name on the label...

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TATE

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I was taking some pics of a Model 20 and I noticed the name.

It's just a name on the label, or is it? No, this was a pool shooter, like me, motivated to buy one of the fanciest Palmers ever made. My mind wandered for a moment and I thought "what if I found him?". I wondered if anyone had ever found him. This was 35 years ago. Was he still alive? What stories would he tell?

Who is the man on the label?

The Search for the Man on the Label
 
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TATE said:
I was taking some pics of a Model 20 and I noticed the name.

It's just a name on the label, or was it? No, this was a pool shooter, like me, motivated to buy one of the fanciest Palmers ever made.

My mind wandered and I thought "what if I found him?". I wondered if anyone had ever found him. This was 35 years ago. Was he still alive? What stories would he tell?

Who is the man on the label?

The Search for the Man on the Label
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Wow Chris!! Sweet cue and history!!

Good luck!!

Barbara
 
Awesome!!! I understand how you feel - you can't help but wonder about the history of the cue and the who/what/why (why doesn't he own the cue anymore) of the original owner. I also have one of those cues with someones name on it --- if you run across Bill Finch let me know.
Jack
www.johnmaddencues.com
 
imo, what's great about this story is that it was his son whom you contacted. makes it more ,,,,,,,,,,,,family-like....like an heirloom.
 
Jack Madden said:
Awesome!!! I understand how you feel - you can't help but wonder about the history of the cue and the who/what/why (why doesn't he own the cue anymore) of the original owner. I also have one of those cues with someones name on it --- if you run across Bill Finch let me know.
Jack
www.johnmaddencues.com
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And after you find him hunt down *Vegas Jimmy* for me.

Jim
 
TATE said:
I was taking some pics of a Model 20 and I noticed the name.

It's just a name on the label, or is it? No, this was a pool shooter, like me, motivated to buy one of the fanciest Palmers ever made. My mind wandered for a moment and I thought "what if I found him?". I wondered if anyone had ever found him. This was 35 years ago. Was he still alive? What stories would he tell?

Who is the man on the label?

The Search for the Man on the Label
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Funny. I know someone who felt the same sensations and curiosity. He collects older cues, just like you. He came across a broken Ginacue that had a name on it. He had it repaired and was approached to do a story of it due to the fact that it had a mystery behind it. The story was even published for all to see. Hell, if I'd seen the cue first, I would have asked to do the story. And in the end, for his trouble, curiosity, and love for cues, he got stomped on for it.

I hate the fact that everyone can see the romance and innocence in your cue now, but failed to see it then. Good Luck. I hope the original owner doesn't claim to have it stolen.

Fred
 
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Funny. I know someone who felt the same sensations and curiosity. He collects older cues, just like you. He came across a broken Ginacue that had a name on it. He had it repaired and was approached to do a story of it due to the fact that it had a mystery behind it. The story was even published for all to see. Hell, if I'd seen the cue first, I would have asked to do the story. And in the end, for his trouble, curiosity, and love for cues, he got stomped on for it.

I hate the fact that everyone can see the romance and innocence in your cue now, but failed to see it then. Good Luck. I hope the original owner doesn't claim to have it stolen.

Fred
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Fred,

There's always a risk in displaying information, but in my view the rewards far outweigh the risk. There was a genuine sense of excitement, especially in Kerry's son, that they knew where the cue was.

I think the other dead horse has been beaten enough. Let's get some 'positive' going here. It seems to me there are a lot of people not enjoing their hobby anymore.

Chris
 
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Fred,

There's always a risk in displaying information, but in my view the rewards far outweigh the risk. There was a genuine sense of excitement, especially in Kerry's son, that they knew where the cue was.

I think the other dead horse has been beaten enough. Let's get some positive going here. It seems there are a lot of people not enjoing their hobby anymore.

Chris
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Chris, Blank by Spain?
 

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Chris, Blank by Spain?
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I have some better pics of that particular cue. The points are actually very sharp, but the camera's flash blurred them. I'm pretty sure it's a Spain. The cue needs some work but the handle is nice.

Chris
 
TATE said:
I have some better pics of that particular cue. The points are actually very sharp, but the camera's flash blurred them. I'm pretty sure it's a Spain. The cue needs some work but the handle is nice.

Chris
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Thanks Chris,after further review I see I had better couch my thoughts of buying this one,I don't think I can compete with the other interested party.
Care to elaborate on the veneers and the lack of inlays in the points?
 
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Thanks Chris,after further review I see I had better couch my thoughts of buying this one,I don't think I can compete with the other interested party.
Care to elaborate on the veneers and the lack of inlays in the points?
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Sure, here's another photo I received of the cue:

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The veneers are exactly the reverse of the typical forearms made by Spain first and later Gus Szamboti.

This is just a typical 2nd catalog Model J, which didn't have inlays in the points. Here are what mine look like:

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Chris
 
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Jack Madden said:
Awesome!!! I understand how you feel - you can't help but wonder about the history of the cue and the who/what/why (why doesn't he own the cue anymore) of the original owner. I also have one of those cues with someones name on it --- if you run across Bill Finch let me know.
Jack
www.johnmaddencues.com
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Jack,

Oops the guy I was talking about was actually Billy Fitch.

Chris
 
TATE said:
Jack,

Oops the guy I was talking about was actually Billy Fitch.

Chris
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Chris
Thanks, didn't think it was the same. Cue is too old. And the way you described Billy, I don't think he would have had this cue. By the way (since I don't follow everything here - have to build cues sometimes), where did you play in So CA in the 70's and 80's? I "tramped" during the 80's (for those that don't know - that means construction work at home sucked and I traveled out of state to work and sent my pay check home), I worked in So San Francisco, also south of San Fran - near Rock a Way Beach, and San Jose. Also worked in LA --- and found my way to Hardtimes most evenings. Did I run into you? It funny how many people who played in the pool rooms in CA that have seen my picture on my website then told "I know you - saw you at ----- when you were playing -----". One is a cuemaker who I talked to quite a bit the last couple of years - he didn't know me and I didn't know him. But he saw my website, and when we finally met at Valley Forge he told me when and where he used to watch me play in CA (not those words but that was the meaning). Both of us were blown away --- surprise surprise how small the pool world is.
Jack
www.johnmaddencues.com
 
Jack Madden said:
Chris
Thanks, didn't think it was the same. Cue is too old. And the way you described Billy, I don't think he would have had this cue. By the way (since I don't follow everything here - have to build cues sometimes), where did you play in So CA in the 70's and 80's? I "tramped" during the 80's (for those that don't know - that means construction work at home sucked and I traveled out of state to work and sent my pay check home), I worked in So San Francisco, also south of San Fran - near Rock a Way Beach, and San Jose. Also worked in LA --- and found my way to Hardtimes most evenings. Did I run into you? It funny how many people who played in the pool rooms in CA that have seen my picture on my website then told "I know you - saw you at ----- when you were playing -----". One is a cuemaker who I talked to quite a bit the last couple of years - he didn't know me and I didn't know him. But he saw my website, and when we finally met at Valley Forge he told me when and where he used to watch me play in CA (not those words but that was the meaning). Both of us were blown away --- surprise surprise how small the pool world is.
Jack
www.johnmaddencues.com
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Jack,

I grew up in the San Fernando Valley and I learned to play at a room called the Plush Pocket in the Valley. It's still there and I go there a couple times a month. There was very little action there in the 1970's. My friends and I would venture out to Mother's on Ventura Blvd. and Big Mama's in North Hollywood (later Ronnie Allen's) which had some action. I also played at the old Hollywood Billiards.

Ernesto Dominguez went by the name of Alonzo in those days and nobody even knew he could speak english - he never once spoke a word of english. He would come in and play for $2 or $200 and even then you didn't want too much of him. Another great player was Ronnie Rosas, Mexican Ronnie. He beat a lot of the pros including Ronnie Allen and Rodney Morris.

There was also a pool room on 6th and Alvarado I played at while Hawaiian Brian was there, in fact I used to play him cheap when I was a kid, forget the name of that place, and a place in Hollywood that had a lot of action, on Sunset - Cuban Joe hung out there and a really good player named "Crazy Bruce" who was named that for ramming his head into the wall and knocking himself out once when he missed a hanger.

I don't recognize you. I only played pool when I was between girlfriends. Whenever my buddies saw me hanging around the pool room they knew I was single.

The good old days! A recent highlight was Marlon Manolo came in to play into our room a few months ago. He got a little action and we got some fun.

Chris
 
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