Just a thought about posting ettiquette here...

[cueaddicts]

Looks like a ton of good advice here.........if I see a post that says "open to best offer" or "PM offers", I read that one of two ways....either the item is very expensive and people sending a PM would obviously know it's value......or, if it appears to be a lesser item, that someone is trying to rob me......unless it's elite, if you want to sell something, post a price.....I have no doubt there are many, many other folks like myself that blow off for sale posts they might otherwise be interested in when no price is listed....same for trades....

just my two cents...for free

Perm, prices are great but you never know, though...."open to offer" or "PM offers" may be a seller's way of protecting a cue, when his/her intention might be they can sell it low...lower than book value even. There's two sides to the coin sometimes...it just takes inquiring with the seller. But a lot of riff-raff in their thread is unnecessary when a PM or phone call would suffice. Just a thought.

Joe's post brings up some good points. 1. Sellers should provide as much info and detail as possible with their offerings. 2. Buyers should not present like they're going to do a cash purchase, only to later discuss all these cues and such they have for trade. That's just bad form imho.

All in all, I think many of us on the board here have become a lot more cynical with the economy and general cue market lately than we probably should be (been experiencing that myself a little lately).

Just my $0.02 on this.

 

[Big Perm]

Perm, prices are great but you never know, though...."open to offer" or "PM offers" may be a seller's way of protecting a cue, when his/her intention might be they can sell it low...lower than book value even. There's two sides to the coin sometimes...it just takes inquiring with the seller. But a lot of riff-raff in their thread is unnecessary when a PM or phone call would suffice. Just a thought.
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My point is that many people will simply skip over those posts, and that is the loss of a potential buyer, and in these times, why ward off anyone that might put more money in your pocket.

Everybody has three prices.....what they want, what they'll take, and what they'll take if they really gotta sell it....for example, I might have a cue I want $500 for.....but I'd take $400 for it.....and a month later, if I really needed the money, I might take $300.....I'd post it up for $500 OBO.....people can always send PM's for less or whatever.....but if I post up no price, somebody who might be willing to easily pay $500 might be thinking the cue is worth $1000, which is out of their price range....boom, lost sale....

I am nowhere near educated enough to know what a cue should sell for.....when I see someone post a price, and then I see two other people on the board I respect bump it as "a good value", it gives me a warm and fuzzy....and I think there are A LOT of buyers just like myself....

Again, just my two cents....I do get your point, but I still believe those folks ward off potential buyers and may lose money/a sale in the end, and that sucks, especially in this economy...

 

[classiccues]

I think sellers need to post "No Trades" in their listing also, instead of giving smart alec answers about roofers not taking cues as payment...

Jim

Jim,
Sorry you took this PM reply as "smart alec"

Jim,
I have a guy who needs a new roof on his building and the roofer don't take cues for payment.. lol

Thanks for the e-mail...

JV

Because it was far from it and dead serious..

JV

 

[classiccues]

Joe's post brings up some good points. 1. Sellers should provide as much info and detail as possible with their offerings. 2. Buyers should not present like they're going to do a cash purchase, only to later discuss all these cues and such they have for trade. That's just bad form imho.

This is the number one jerk off move I know... best CASH price then want to trade. I know other quasi dealers that do this all the time. It is extremely a classless move that does NOTHING BUT WASTE MY TIME. There should be a thread with a running list of people that do this...

JV

 

[jhendri2]

Joe

I guess my point was to not throw stones. If you want buyers to post that they're looking to trade in a WTB ad then sellers should post "No Trades" in their ad's as it saves everyone time.

I agree with everything you're saying. and I certainly understand needing the cash instead of cues, just say it the ad. Regardless of the outcome of this thread, I think people will continue to post the same way.

The ones that bother me and I will never buy are the "PM Offer". It's your merchandise, put a price on it and negotiate from there.

Jim

 

[classiccues]

Perm, prices are great but you never know, though...."open to offer" or "PM offers" may be a seller's way of protecting a cue, when his/her intention might be they can sell it low...lower than book value even. There's two sides to the coin sometimes...it just takes inquiring with the seller. But a lot of riff-raff in their thread is unnecessary when a PM or phone call would suffice. Just a thought.

Joe's post brings up some good points. 1. Sellers should provide as much info and detail as possible with their offerings. 2. Buyers should not present like they're going to do a cash purchase, only to later discuss all these cues and such they have for trade. That's just bad form imho.

All in all, I think many of us on the board here have become a lot more cynical with the economy and general cue market lately than we probably should be (been experiencing that myself a little lately).

Just my $0.02 on this.

Yes and people should also realize the dealers, not so much the flippers, really just want to sell ONE cue. When you offer a trade you need to realize that now you want me to sell YOUR cue to.. to me that is double the work. It's tougher for me because I don't collect so there is nothing out there that I don't look at without the thought of "Oh crap now I have to sell that to" and I am not one that wants to sell 2-3 cues just to break even on my original sale.

JV

 

[classiccues]

Joe

I guess my point was to not throw stones. If you want buyers to post that they're looking to trade in a WTB ad then sellers should post "No Trades" in their ad's as it saves everyone time.

I agree with everything you're saying. and I certainly understand needing the cash instead of cues, just say it the ad. Regardless of the outcome of this thread, I think people will continue to post the same way.

The ones that bother me and I will never buy are the "PM Offer". It's your merchandise, put a price on it and negotiate from there.

Jim

Jim,
In my original post I said as much. But to be honest, I have listed many no trade cues just to get the "will you take so and so" even after I posted no trade. So like you say, regardless of the thread, I am certain it will be business as usual.. I agree on the PM offers.. it's also a time killer.

JV

 

[jhendri2]

Joe,

In the ad I responded to, no where did it say no trades, or I would not have offered one. I try and respect what the seller wants. Maybe you meant to put it there and forgot, stuff happens.

I'm not trying to pick on you, I think you're a great seller and would recommend anyone to you. I really like that Mottey though:grin:

Jim

 

[jcommie]

Most sales on here are meant to be negotiable. Part of negotiations is deviating from the main issue of price and creating value for both sides, which in some cases can come in the form of a trade. If you don't want a trade, just say so.

If you don't post a price, expect haggling.

If you don't want to price it too low, open optimistically and work your way down to the price you're willing to sell it at.

It's really not that hard. If you're out to sell/buy something, you should be open to negotiations, IMO. If you have a firm price or are not willing to negotiate, a couple extra lines of text will convey that- not that hard.

 

[$TAKE HOR$E]

I'd love to see the section broken down into sub forums. Cues/cases/dvd and books/other items. Just a thought.

Good point.:thumbup:

This was brought up a while back and would make it easier for the Wanted / For Sale crowd to get to what they are looking for faster. It would also eliminate the trade offers on cues that are strictly wanting to be sold. Lots of people are willing to entertain offers of cash or trades or a combination of both, but a seperate section would make good sense. Cash is almost always the best but I have got in a lot of good trade deals as well. People have different ways of looking at things, like some might not want to trade a cue or whatever because it still leaves them something to have to get rid of. This is not always a bad thing, especially when you are trying to sell a moderately expensive cue in today's market. Sometimes taking a cue and cash for higher end cue makes a little sense because depending on what the cue is it might be easier to sell for example a $500 cue than a $1000 cue. The Tim Scruggs sneaky pete's are a great example here because you can never go wrong with one of them and they are easy to sell. A lot of times people on here (esp) people new to the forum are looking for a mid range cue and dont have a lot of money to spend but might have an old cue or case they would part with to move up the ladder so to speak.

 

[jay_az]

Just like someone earlier posted, when it has a "pm for price" or "Pm offer" i and i would assume might just not even bother either they figure the price "must" be high or not even sure where to start the bidding from. On the seller protecting his cue angle, the watch forum i was on the average sale price of a "real" watch was $1000 up! there were 2 section as well which really helped direct the right people to the right places a general sales/trade forum and a "high" dollar sales/trade forum for timepieces over 5K. I think the including price opens the sale to al whole lot of other potential buyers. my 2 cents.