Just got home from Vegas APA

The_JV said:
What green fees...? We didn't pay for a single rack within the event.
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But it cost someone $200 to put the team in. $150 entry fee and $50 greens fees. The various showdown series events each have a greens fee based on the anticipated average number of racks. The tables are open for the Main and Showdown events, and closed for MiniMania.

If you won the slot from league play that $200 was probably paid from your league's players fund. Areas with no league play are not guaranteed slots, but most get at least one and hold qualifier events. Entry fees from the qualifiers then pay the $200. Some LO's hold free qualifiers and just charge $200 to the winners. However the various areas do it, APA collected $200/team for 373 teams.

I'm not arguing with anyone, just clarifying how it's all set up.
 
Ģüśţāṿ said:
Not sure what you mean by this, we pay masters league fees in my area just like everyone else. I know some smaller regions hold a single masters tournament, but most are typical league sessions.



Agreed. The pockets were quite generous (maybe from the low humidity?), but much cleaner pool being played all around.
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according to eva they aren’t. She talked about it on the broadcast. There are few masters leagues compared to the rest so they don’t feel the masters players are as vested financially as the rest of the teams.
 
APA Operator said:
But it cost someone $200 to put the team in. $150 entry fee and $50 greens fees. The various showdown series events each have a greens fee based on the anticipated average number of racks. The tables are open for the Main and Showdown events, and closed for MiniMania.

If you won the slot from league play that $200 was probably paid from your league's players fund. Areas with no league play are not guaranteed slots, but most get at least one and hold qualifier events. Entry fees from the qualifiers then pay the $200. Some LO's hold free qualifiers and just charge $200 to the winners. However the various areas do it, APA collected $200/team for 373 teams.

I'm not arguing with anyone, just clarifying how it's all set up.
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My apologies. I'm going to call it a senior moment on my part with missing the $50 that isn't a part of the prize pool.

Thanks for the clarification
 
The_JV said:
I wouldn't have called them generous. More like "deceiving". They looked bigger than they played. If you enjoyed them, then the years of the valley BB must have seem rolling a pingpong ball into the Grand Canyon...lol
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I'm comparing them directly to our local diamond bar boxes, many of the shots I watched and shot would have hung. Albeit our cloth is much more worn and the pockets are marginally tighter, but I assume our high humidity in the Northeast certainly plays a roll.

The previous valley's had monster pockets in comparison to these. Shoot anywhere within a few inches of the pocket and it would drop LOL.
 
trob said:
according to eva they aren’t. She talked about it on the broadcast. There are few masters leagues compared to the rest so they don’t feel the masters players are as vested financially as the rest of the teams.
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Interesting, I'll have to pay attention to that part. I thought she was referring to amateur vs pro players, but the commentary isn't too great, so I keep the volume at a minimum.
 
Ģüśţāṿ said:
I'm comparing them directly to our local diamond bar boxes, many of the shots I watched and shot would have hung. Albeit our cloth is much more worn and the pockets are marginally tighter, but I assume our high humidity in the Northeast certainly plays a roll.

The previous valley's had monster pockets in comparison to these. Shoot anywhere within a few inches of the pocket and it would drop LOL.
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Oh yes, fully agree... The APA Diamonds are far more generous than typical pro-cut Diamonds.
 
I know some of the diamond guys and if I remember what I was told, the corner pockets measured at 4.75 inches and the sides measured 5.25 inches.
 
briankenobi said:
I know some of the diamond guys and if I remember what I was told, the corner pockets measured at 4.75 inches and the sides measured 5.25 inches.
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Yup.. if you look at diamonds order sheets you can order what they call league cut pockets. 4 3/4 inches. I honestly don’t blame them. They still play better than a valley but you can’t have a couple skill level’s 3 take an hour and a half to play a race to 2. I’ve lived through it at leagues lol I don’t put anyone’s play down But jesus it was painful to be there. I can only imagine what would happen on 4 1/4 pockets.
 
trob said:
Yup.. if you look at diamonds order sheets you can order what they call league cut pockets. 4 3/4 inches. I honestly don’t blame them. They still play better than a valley but you can’t have a couple skill level’s 3 take an hour and a half to play a race to 2. I’ve lived through it at leagues lol I don’t put anyone’s play down But jesus it was painful to be there. I can only imagine what would happen on 4 1/4 pockets.
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We play APA at a room with ten 9' Diamonds...not the league cut versions. Not as tough as 4 1/4, either (tho there are two of those tables in the back that occasionally we'll end up using if too many teams are running late) but regular Diamonds, and we can get some pretty long matches, not just with 2's and 3's.
 
The_JV said:
Oh yes, fully agree... The APA Diamonds are far more generous than typical pro-cut Diamonds.
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justadub said:
We play APA at a room with ten 9' Diamonds...not the league cut versions. Not as tough as 4 1/4, either (tho there are two of those tables in the back that occasionally we'll end up using if too many teams are running late) but regular Diamonds, and we can get some pretty long matches, not just with 2's and 3's.
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I suspect one of the reasons our Florida guys did so well this past year was that they play on pro cut diamonds day in and day out.

A lot of teams out there had to adjust to tables that are more difficult than they normally play. Our guys had an advantage playing tables that are a bit easier than they normally play…
 
David in FL said:
I suspect one of the reasons our Florida guys did so well this past year was that they play on pro cut diamonds day in and day out.

A lot of teams out there had to adjust to tables that are more difficult than they normally play. Our guys had an advantage playing tables that are a bit easier than they normally play…
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While I understand that, and can agree in general principal, the one time my team went to Vegas, we didn't all become world beaters while playing on 7' Valleys, even after playing primarily on 9' Diamonds at home. It was funny to see the other teams faces when we told them that's what we usually played on, tho.

It kinda played against us, to a small degree, as we never play on 7' tables, so even tho the pockets were more forgiving, its a whole different approach, at least for us casual league players.
 
justadub said:
While I understand that, and can agree in general principal, the one time my team went to Vegas, we didn't all become world beaters while playing on 7' Valleys, even after playing primarily on 9' Diamonds at home. It was funny to see the other teams faces when we told them that's what we usually played on, tho.

It kinda played against us, to a small degree, as we never play on 7' tables, so even tho the pockets were more forgiving, its a whole different approach, at least for us casual league players.
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I tend to agree with that.

On league nights, which we play on 7 foot diamonds, I tend to avoid the nine footers that I ordinarily play on beforehand.

Having said that though, I think that going from 7 foot pro cut diamonds to 7 foot league cut diamonds definitely provides a bit of an advantage, as long as you don't start to get lazy because of the perception that anything will go…
 
libtrucker said:
There are no open container laws in Nevada. I bought a 30 pack of Busch Light for 22 bucks, and an insulated Fanny pack that holds 4 cans. Yes, I was that guy with a pink and blue fanny pack, but it was a great way to walk around with a few cold beers
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I pack a soft sided butterfly case with a row of cans when I go to some casino tournaments.
At home that case is only used to store extra shafts.
 
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