Just my opinion...what do you think about this issue?

I'm not demeaning the maker, I'm actually trying to avoid the inevitable nicks and dings on the shaft. I too like that the maker has enough pride and confidence in his work to believe it needs nothing else.

JMO

Dave

P.S. JimS...have you gotten together with Lil Joe yet? I worked with him yesterday again and he mentioned getting down there to work with you. I know you'll get a lot out of the lesson(s). Joe's the best. Good hittin'!
 
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bomber said:
I have always been amazed by people who spend a ton of cash on a custom cue by a quality maker and then they put a different shaft on it...(predator, ob-1, ect...) I cannot for the life of me understand this. I might be biased because I dont care for the way the specialty shafts play but I think it is a slap in the face to a cuemaker. Like I said, this is just an opinion...which is worth about 2 cents coming from me.

What do you guys think? What are your opinions on this issue? If you were a cuemaker, would you want a foreign shaft on your cues?

I agree, if I want to play with a Predator shaft, I use a Predator cue, Tiger shaft, Tiger cue, etc. Some very good players are used to Predator shafts and don't want to change or can't change
 
I have had to deal with this issue in my line of work. I am a painter. When I first started out I thought that my work should go straight into museums so they could receive the respect they deserved. There they would be cared for and cherished as masterpieces. I also wasn't selling any work so it was easy to live in that fantasy world. :)

Within the last several years I have been fortunate to actually have sold a good number of paintings, and with that my attitude has had to change. I realize that once a painting has left my studio and goes to a collector I have no more control over it than if I released a bird out of the window. That collector can hang it in the living room of their house in a place of honor, or over their toilet (I have actually heard that one of my works is in a bathroom :eek: ) A lot of artists cannot come to terms with this reality, and they generally don't last long.

The way I look at it, I did my job. I produced a painting that satisfied me enough to show, and sell, and have my name on... and satisfied someone else enough to purchase it, for whatever reason.

Johnny Depp had a great response when an interviewer asked him if he worried about what was going to happen to a movie after he was finished making it. He said "That's not my job. My job is to show up and play the part. That is what they pay me for. Anything that happens after that is out of my hands."

My own mother did something recently that is along the same lines IMO as replacing an original shaft with an OB-1 or Predator. Twenty years or so I gave her one of my early paintings, a portrait with a lot of white on the canvas and a simple black wood frame that I put on myself. She decided that the black didn't go with her decor anymore so she took it to a frame shop to have a brown frame put on. I originally put a black frame on it for a specific aesthetic reason. They wanted to charge her an arm and leg for the job, so she did what she thought best, and got some brown paint and a brush. When I went to her house to see it she was so proud of the job she had done and how well it had turned out. Unfortunately she hadn't masked off the canvas, and there were brown paint marks along the edges of the painting surface itself. I just had to smile, shrug it off and tell her that she did a great job, and not to worry about those marks... the fact they were done by the artist's mother would only add to the paintings value. :)

The fact is that making paintings is an art, and making cues is an art, but they are also businesses. If an artist's work or a cuemaker's work is so precious to them that they can't let it go, then don't let it go. Keep it in your workshop or studio and admire it all day by yourself, no one is stopping you.
 
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curlyscues said:
I am no where near the fastest cue maker out there. So for me i would rather make cues for people that like my work than for someone that just want to say he has a custom cue.

M.C.
OMG you aint kiddin curly!
Your the only cue maker i've ever heard of that could go out to the forest find you a good tree cut it down and use that wood to build a cue .....by the time the cue was ready to play the wood is petrified......roflmao

wwsd has gotta go in the ring work......lol
 
slow? me?

bigdaddygerald said:
OMG you aint kiddin curly!
Your the only cue maker i've ever heard of that could go out to the forest find you a good tree cut it down and use that wood to build a cue .....by the time the cue was ready to play the wood is petrified......roflmao

wwsd has gotta go in the ring work......lol
Come on now Gerry, you know i plant the tree the day i get the order.

M.C.
 
I used to be of the thought that the main reason some of us spend $1,000 or more for a custom made cue, is because we're paying for superior shaft materials. At least that's how I've always felt in the past. As years have gone by, I've seen some really nice (appearance) custom cues but that played with the finesse of a bazooka. Most of those cues had aftermarkets like the Predator on them. I remember when I saw a good friend of mine put a Predator on his brand new Scruggs I asked him "then why didn't you save a couple grand and just buy a damn Predator cue?" And his answer was "because everything Predator makes is ugly as hell, and you'll see three exactly line the one you have on any given night out at the pool hall." Basically, he wanted the one of a kind rarity and appearance of a Scruggs, but wanted it to play like a Predator.
More power to him. If you can afford it...............go for it.
As for myself, I play with a Wes Hunter with two really nice tight grain shafts. Both pack lot's of juice with minimal deflection yet lot's of power....................but out of curiosity, I'd love to have a Predator 2 or an OB 1 fitted to it to see how it would play. Sounds like fun.
dave
 
Shafts

What I think most people want is the technology used to build the shaft of their choice.

I have no trouble understanding it for a production cue. But, if I was to have it done for a custom cue, I would prefer that my cuemaker do it, that way I would be assured that the total overall quality of the cue was the best.

To me, taking someone's idea (their shaft) and putting it onto your cue (cuemaker) would decrease the total integrated cue's quality, how much, is determined by you.

It is an interesting subject! Is an add-on ever better than the original product? Perhaps, in lower quality products, but in higher quality products, I don't think so.

If you had an integrated stereo system in your car, would you replace part of it with another brand? just part of it. Would the overall quality of the system be increased or decreased then, considering how the sound distributes, the speakers, etc..

I think my above premise holds true, in a lower quality product you might, and it might help, but would you do it in, like a 300Z or Corvette with a premium sound system?

BTW, My cuemaker is Bob Owen of Shurtz Cues, and he makes his own versions of the Predator shafts (-1 and -2), but I always use the original normal shaft.
 
I've used a 314 for a long time. I really like them.

ALTHOUGH, I use a 314 on a Predator butt. I'm big on good balance. I've put them on other cues and the balance would be ok, or off. It was a gamble. I originally enjoyed Predator because I had a hard time adjusting for deflection and my stroke wasn't as good. Now my stroke has improved, and Jimmy Reid taught me how to aim with english - so I can pretty much use any shaft. It just has to feel *good*. I really like them nice and stiff.
 
iasaxman said:
I'm not demeaning the maker, I'm actually trying to avoid the inevitable nicks and dings on the shaft. I too like that the maker has enough pride and confidence in his work to believe it needs nothing else.

JMO

Dave

P.S. JimS...have you gotten together with Lil Joe yet? I worked with him yesterday again and he mentioned getting down there to work with you. I know you'll get a lot out of the lesson(s). Joe's the best. Good hittin'!

Was supposed to be Monday but I had to reschedule. Left him a message but he hasn't called back to set up a time for Thursday the 23rd.
 
bomber said:
I have always been amazed by people who spend a ton of cash on a custom cue by a quality maker and then they put a different shaft on it...(predator, ob-1, ect...) I cannot for the life of me understand this. I might be biased because I dont care for the way the specialty shafts play but I think it is a slap in the face to a cuemaker. Like I said, this is just an opinion...which is worth about 2 cents coming from me.

What do you guys think? What are your opinions on this issue? If you were a cuemaker, would you want a foreign shaft on your cues?

I would normally agree but I have a Mottey with 2 original shafts
and a Tiger X shaft and I definitely prefer that shaft to the two
originals.
 
Add me to the 'purist' camp. If I wanna play an OB1 or Predator, I'll buy a $29 Players to stick it on. There's a reason DPK shafts are listed at $450 in the BBOC.

-s
 
Curly

I understand your position on this issue, although I do not completely agree, you are certainly entitled to it without criticism.

Personally I would not add an after market shaft to a custom cue, but to each their own, I guess. Your cues are the only customs that I have owned and the one I have now is IMO the best hitting cue I have ever played with.

Also, if you continue make cues with a joint, like shown in the photo below, you should not have to worry about anyone adding an after market shaft.

Great cue with a great joint, I love it, thanks buddy.

Steve

100_0418 (Medium) curlycue joint.jpg
 
I respect people's views on this issue, and nobody can be correct here, IMO.

What about when I go and get a 314 with matched joint rings custom made from both Viking and Samsara, for my cues?
 
IMHO, an expensive custom cue should come with a quality, great playing shaft....

With that said, if I wanted to "save" the shaft....ie, keep it and the tip new for resale, then maybe an aftermarket shaft is the way to go.....also, some people are already used to a certain shaft, like an OB1, and may just want to avoid any adjustment...

my 2 cents...
 
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