Justis Case Interior Upgrades

[kvinbrwr]

I find that Szamboti's, Searing, Tascarella, Hercek and Murray Tuckers cues are consistant from one to another as is Ron Ross tooling and Jack Justis cases. I don't open my case and turn it upside down so I will be just fine with my cases and their original Justis interior. I have never heard my cues rattle in a Justis either. I have a couple Dale Perry cues and I put them in a Instroke case made in Europe.

I like John more than most guys, but I agree with you that the "protection issue" seems a little thin to me too. I mean after all, pour lighter fluid on either of them, add a match and your cue is up in smoke. Does that mean the guy who comes out with an Asbestos cue case can come on AZ and lambaste all other case makers for their terrible lack of fire protection? They make cars with bullet proof glass, but I'm not springing for that protection because I just don't think anybody is taking a shot at me anytime soon.

Kevin

 

[uwate]

szamboti's became coveted because they were great hitting cues. Then Gus died and there were a finite amount of his great hitting cues.

You may believe that they hit about as good as a bunch of other cues and that is your right to believe that. I personally have owned dozens of cues, scruggs, mottey, southwest, joss, josswest, searing, titlists, benders, manzino, omega dpk, meucci, schon, and more and I gave up many fancier looking cues worth equal to what the plain four pt szamboti that I play with now.

I had this buddy of mine come visit me once for a weekend. Wife and kids were gone for the weekend and it was just me and him, so we played ALOT of pool that weekend at my house. My buddy plays good, at the time he was playing maybe the ghost 8 and could played closer to the ghost9 on the barbox. Anyways my buddy was also very very cue ignorant. He had no clue about anything and played mostly with a sneaky pete. At that time I was big into collecting cues. Sold nearly everything since then, but most of the names you see above I had in my collection at that time. My buddy played with all my cues that weekend because I asked him to tell me which cue he liked the most.

In the end my buddy said, Dave I know you have all these fancy cues but I like this really plain cue the best. (szamboti). Fact is, that cue just hits great.

 

[JB Cases]

One at a time boys - there are enough answers for everyone.

Ok, since this has now become a general debate. Mods, please move it whereever you deem appropriate but please don't close the thread. This is a good discussion. I will start another thread in the for sale section offering the replacement interiors when this one is moved.

To remind the readers, the offer is to replace a stock Jack Justis interior with a JB UltraPad interior. This is done in a Do-It-Yourself manner as shown in the video below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6-BtuscfHA

Are you making interiors for the 2/4 its georges?

Yes.

How many 14 1/2 foot gators have you bought? You get a 3x6 out of the belly and a 2x4 out of the tail , I have both cases. They have Jacks interior and are full of Szamboti's never had any damage to my cues in any of the 16 Justis cases I own. If I wanted Johns interior I would buy his case not change the interior in one of my Justis cases! I have 2 early Instroke cases made in Europe but they have tube interior . I don't like the idea of foam fitting that tight on my cue if it gets dirty seems it would be like sandpaper. I will leave my cases as the maker intended as well as my cues!

Why would you use any case that you think would be like sandpaper? This statement is really bothersome and I want to address it because I think you are making it UNFAIRLY.

First let's talk about WHAT exactly our interior is made of. It's soft fabric backed with foam rubber. The foam rubber is less than the height of a new tip. Anyone on planet earth would have no problem polishing their cues with this cloth. You put more pressure on your cue when you polish than the foam rubber exerts on it when in the case.

So the fit is snug, and GENTLE, - NOT - tight. You can pull any cue out of cases with two fingers and push them in just as gently. This has been demonstrated in many videos.

Here is a short video showing the fabric and foam rubber we use.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJYfJ8yOzkQ

In addition you can see the interior in full in the first video above. At the SBE I had a small sheet of the fabric and let anyone inspect it that wished to.

Now, you will say what if the fabric gets dirty won't that be like rubbing the cue with sandpaper? Yes, IF ANY FABRIC were to retain particles of any substance that is harder and sharp enough to scratch the finish of of a cue then it could possibly scratch the finish of a cue.

This applies to EVERY fabric used in every case known to man. If your cue rubs against ANYTHING and that thing is sharp and abrasive and the pressure is enough then the cue can be scratched.

I am 100% confident that with normal use our cases will never ever on their own scratch a cue. NORMAL every day use. Never. The cues don't move excessively inside the case. The don't slide up and down the cavities, they don't bang against the side walls, the parts don't bang against each other with every bump in the road.

So by your logic IF some abrasive particles were to somehow get lodged in the fabric, let's use chalk particles, then it's theoretically possible that those particles could mar a finish, so the question then becomes IF that happens then which interior would cause MORE damage? I contend that the one where the particles are lodged and the cue is constantly rubbing against them with force of each bump, each swing, and every movement of the case is the one which in this UNLIKELY hypothetical would cause lots of random finish issues as the cue would be sliding and bumping the abrasive constantly.

But this has not proven to be a problem in the 20 years I have been in this business. I have taken apart more used interiors than I can count, some of them dirty with chalk, and in fact none of them seemed to be any problem for the cue finish. In 100% of them there was no visible chalk residue in the butt cavities. And in our cases we recess the shaft cavities so that the tip is highly unlikely to ever be inserted into the butt cavity unless on purpose.

Which brings me to the point that IF you are afraid of chalk dust, and if Jack is afrais of chalk dust then WHY does he recommend that people put their shafts and butts into the SAME cavity if they would like to get more capacity out of the case? Doesn't this run counter to the argument that chalk residue and a "tight" fit are dangerous?

Mr. Justis condones and recommends this practice shown below in his 3x6 case.

Please explain how this is different than the snug fit we provide? Other than the FACT that we insure that there is a layer of fabric and foam between each part wherever possible I don't see any difference when a Justis case is "overstuffed" per Jack's own advice.

 

[JB Cases]

None, How many full alligator hydes have you purchased?( not that it matters) As long as your happy with your cases that's great, my point was simply that a Barton case offers better protection and if put to an actual test of some sort I am guessing that could be easily proven. A simple experiment would be to go out in ur driveway pop open the top of any one of your Justiis cases and tip it upside down and watch what happens to your Szams. Then do the same with a $100 sterling case. My Whitten case has slipped out of my hands on a couple occasions and my cue slipped out luckily it landed on carpet but it could have been bad. So basically I was saying no matter which way you slice it, an ultrapad interior is an upgrade, its tough to accept for someone who is dumping up to $2500 on a case that an ultapad interior inside a PVC plumbing tube will protect better than their case but its just the way it is....So again, Jacks cases are beautiful but Johns are better.

This video explains it better than I ever could. If you honestly value your cues and wish to REALLY protect them then this ought to say it all to you. I can talk forever and still not show what these videos do capturing the actual movement of the cues when the case hits the floor. And this is with relatively low impact. Multiply the force and imagine what type of stress the cues are undergoing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tftnJJmgLO0

I like my justice case but its nothing more then a status symbol and since you also have a zam its obvious your into have things to show how much money you have. With my jb interior I have a justice status symbol without having to hear my cues bounce around in my case like like an old Chevy on a cobblestone road lol

It's not about price. It's about performance. There is no shame in having an expensive thing that doesn't perform as well as a cheaper thing. But it's a flat out lie to claim that the expensive thing is as good or even better than the cheaper thing when it is obvious that this is not true. The justification for buying the more expensive but worse performing thing when the differences are known is desire. People make a conscious choice to trade some protection in order to get the brand they want. It's that simple really.

How about a more realistic test. Keep both cases and use as intended and see if anything happens to any cue.. Only a moron pops the lids and shakes the cues out of a case. (BTW watch Johns video, and see the cue fall out of HIS case)

The only test requirement is how do they function in a real enviroment as intended. Do accidents happen, sure they do, the question is how often and what are the real consequences.

I guess if someone was to walk around with slippery fingers, and have the coordination of a one armed, one legged, cross eyed neandertal, maybe they do need Johns case.

Of course, then there is always resale value and actual cost to manufacture we could discuss.

JV

The cue came out AFTER I flip the case twice, shook it at the camera and then turned it upside down for the third time.

Here is the whole sequence you asked the readers to watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=T6-BtuscfHA#t=610s

Look at what it takes to make the cue come out of our case compared to the original Justis interior.

As for accidents and consequences, well, why do you buy insurance? Statistically you are highly unlikely to be in a car crash, your house is unlikely to be damaged, your health is unlikely to deteriorate. Yet you insure yourself for all these things. Why? Because even though they are all unlikely you know that the first time something bad happens then it's going to be painful and costly.

So this is like insurance that you pay one time for and you have it every day for as long as you use the case.

Cost of manufacturing and resale value have nothing at all to do with the discussion. This thread is about protection and the comparisons of what level of protection is better, needed and wanted.

But if resale value is something you care about then a Justis in good condition with an pristine original interior has to be worth more than one with a used interior. So it makes sense to at least purchase an extra interior from Jack so as to have one untouched one. And if you want better protection then buy one from me and leave the original one for when you want to attempt to resell the case for a higher price than you paid for it.

My cases are built for performance and daily use. They are not intended to be investments and if any of them become collectible and worth more than I charged then that is what the market will decide long after the case has left my shop. I don't market my products with ANY kind of marketing hype that indicates anything other than the cases are built to protect cues to the best of my ability and that the case will be built as closely to the specifications you desire as we can do it. Collectibility and investment potential mean nothing to me as the things I build are meant to be used and used hard.

I promise everyone reading this that if a Justis and a JB are both used hard after 100 hours the JB will look and function better than the Justis. This is 100% the truth. For every single moment of those 100 hours the JB Case will be protecting the cues at a much higher level, the case will be easier to use, more comfortable, and will be more durable.

And it will have cost you less money up front.

"It is better to stay quiet and be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt" :thumbup:

Does this apply to you as well when you claim our interiors will harm cues?

Be sure to inform the owner of the case that any repair you make on one of our cases will lower the value even more than changing the interior.

Would you allow Cuetec to make a repair on your Searing?

Ouch. Brutal. Well, seeing as how the repairs I might have to make to your case would be invisible when I am done I doubt it would affect the resale price whatever that might be. Since people buy from me for performance I don't think that anyone who is already using my interiors in your case is too concerned about preserving the "value" too much. And for that matter what would the resell price drop to?

Say I put a new snap on the case and it was a $600 case from you orginally? What could the owner expect to lose if I were to honor your warranty and put a new snap on the case? If he put it up for sale would he get $200 for it? $400? Just curious since you seem to be wanting to use this as a scare tactic so let's figure out what a Justis case is worth and what type of depreciation one could expect if someone else repairs one.

And while we are at it, could you please show EVERYONE on the forum the threads where your cases are selling for MORE than your retail? I have yet to see one where the case was say $700 originally and the asking price was higher than that and it sold. I mean I am sure that there are some but I just missed them. Should be easy enough to point them out to us all.

Nothing I said is untrue. I realize its a tough pill to swallow when a Chinese woman working for JB can build a case that offers more protection in the event of something happening outside normal use as in a drop, someone knocking over your case, etc.....Even in my own line of work it sometimes bothers me that people perform better than me but hey... I don't make up lies to make people think otherwise, like the folks that say johns cases damage cues. There are many folks that prefer beauty over function...me being one of them....I was just stating facts and the dozens upon dozens who switched their interiors can't all be wrong.

All true. The telling point is that the CUSTOMERS are the ones making it clear what they prefer. If they get my interior and don't like it then they can take it right back out, they can get a refund, I have a 100% satisfaction guarantee. But no one asked for a refund yet on their new interior. What I hear most often is that now they have the case of their dreams, the Justis look with JB protection.

Other than ego I can't understand why this is a problem. I have no problem if someone wants to change a JB interior. In fact my customers ask me all the time if I will tweak ours to suit their needs. No problem, we can modify the interior to be exactly as they desire it to be.

Hit is subjective. What is not subjective the fact that Szamboti is an investment. Same with a Justis case. In the years to come, the cue and case will only go up in value. While the cue (which you did not name) and a JB case will not....


Truth.

Justis cases do not appear to be going up in value if the sales on this forum are any indication. I have not formally tracked it but I rarely see one that sells for more than the retail price listed on Jack's site.

So while I can agree with you on the investment potential of a Szam the same cannot be said as fact for a Justis simply based on the factual sales that have taken place over the past five years or so.

I find that Szamboti's, Searing, Tascarella, Hercek and Murray Tuckers cues are consistant from one to another as is Ron Ross tooling and Jack Justis cases. I don't open my case and turn it upside down so I will be just fine with my cases and their original Justis interior. I have never heard my cues rattle in a Justis either. I have a couple Dale Perry cues and I put them in a Instroke case made in Europe.

It is true that Justis cases are very consistent. I liken Jack to a cue maker that has settled on a certain way of building and decoration and that's what you get. Which is a good thing because you know exactly what you are getting, the look is set, the build type is set, the brand is known, it's a safe bet. And I do find that business model to be admirable. It takes more courage and discipline to pull that off than to be the jack-of-all-trades and willing to try anything for your customers.

I will be honest, true custom work as we are doing it is not paying us what it should. We put more effort into our cases than Jack does, we are willing to experiment, change things, spend an enormous amount of time trying to make every desire come true and at the end of it, even with the cheaper labor rates in China, we still don't make nearly enough compared to the effort.

If there is anything that I still admire about Jack it's that he is consistent in what he offers and is not afraid to ask for the price he wants. And when you get a case from him then it is nice and elegant and exactly as you expected it to look. And I suspect that it gives you the ego boost that you paid for with many admiring and approving comments on it. Why would it be otherwise?

When you own a Justis you are part of an elite club. Not just because of the price, but because there simply aren't that many of them around. And if you're one of the few that owns the very high end Justis/Ross work then you are at the top of that club. The actual performance of the case is secondary at that point in my opinion.

I get all that and it's cool with me. I only want to provide an alternative interior without getting accosted over it. Jack set it up so that the interiors can be easily removed and so I stepped in to provide replacement interiors.

I wouldn't do it if it required using tools to take the exterior apart. If I thought that replacing a Justis interior would in any way damage the exterior I wouldn't offer it. I don't offer DIY interior replacements for ANY case where tools are required to separate the interior from the exterior.

 

[JB Cases]

I like John more than most guys, but I agree with you that the "protection issue" seems a little thin to me too. I mean after all, pour lighter fluid on either of them, add a match and your cue is up in smoke. Does that mean the guy who comes out with an Asbestos cue case can come on AZ and lambaste all other case makers for their terrible lack of fire protection? They make cars with bullet proof glass, but I'm not springing for that protection because I just don't think anybody is taking a shot at me anytime soon.

Kevin

Watch this video and ask yourself which of the three you prefer to have your $20,000 cue in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tftnJJmgLO0



In this image the cues are crashing together. Not gently smacking each other but literally crashing into each other. The cues are separated by thin nylon with the last inch of the case being empty air and no separation.

You can say that the argument is "thin" but when your cue develops a slight crack and you can't explain it maybe, just maybe, it's caused but things you can't see and hadn't thought possible.

I am currently reading an autobiography about Henry Ford. It is fascinating. One of the passages is about how they innovate on the factory floor constantly. They are always doing things which conventional wisdom says is impossible and one particular example was Ford's engineers asking a machine maker to make a machine that could produce 200 parts an hour. Ford had designed the machine and the machine maker protested saying it's impossible, no machine could be built that can do 200 parts a day much less 200 an hour. The engineer said, "Impossible? Come down to the floor and you can see one doing it because we built one first to test out our idea."

Point being that you can speculate about what a cue can and cannot withstand while in a case but the results showing cues crashing and the force being exerted on them when the case simply falls over is not deniable. I don't know how many times a Ginacue could be smacked around before if finally succumbs and something internal breaks on it, Ernie probably doesn't know either. But one thing I am sure of, Ernie would probably prefer it if the cues were not smacked around at all. You could ask him.

I already know the answer from several other cue makers and they don't think that the argument is thin at all.

Ask Jerry Olivier what he thinks. He has a first hand experience that proves my point perfectly.

 

[CMD]

Justis cases do not appear to be going up in value if the sales on this forum are any indication. I have not formally tracked it but I rarely see one that sells for more than the retail price listed on Jack's site.

So while I can agree with you on the investment potential of a Szam the same cannot be said as fact for a Justis simply based on the factual sales that have taken place over the past five years or so.

I believe that is due to the fact that he is still making cases. Why buy a used case when you can order EXACTLY what you want based on materials used? Prices will go up when he finally decides to retire. To what extent, I do not know.

He delivers in a short amount of time. It's not like he has a 10 year waiting list. If that was the case, then they would be higher in value today. No different than a cuemaker with the same wait. Try getting a Barry or a Joel or a Dennis or a Ron. Not so easy....

And yes, I compare Jack's case making to their cuemaking. Right or wrong, that is MY opinion.

Your cases are very nice. I have more than most people here. However, you will never ever let things go with some forum people. and that really, really turns me and many others off. I'm not saying all because we know most people want things as cheap as possible. I think your new Rugged case is the best possible case for a pool player. Most of these cases get beat to $hit.

My Ron Thomas will never see the inside of a pool room. Neither will my Jack Justis (after he makes it). Different cases for different purposes. And all of them have a purpose.

 

[rebelme801]

I find John Barton to be very argumentive and very low class. I have met Jack Justis and he is a great guy in all regards as a case maker and person. As a high end cue collector I cherish my cues and blame only myself and not the case if damage were done to my cue. I have not ever been close to dropping my cues out of the case and I don't rattle the case the way that John does. His mentality is that things should be built like a tank. I disagree, when you buy things of luxury you can afford to have it go bad. You buy a Ferrari knowing that it will not drive over 100,000 miles like a Toyota would. If you are not happy with Mr. Justice's interior then fine change it, it's your case. However, don't knock on his interior because it is fine for what it does and he takes pride in the design. Let's not forget that every detail Is very well thought out in a Justis case. I like it the way it is. If I have a Bentley, I'm not going to change the rims. I have a Southwest cue and I will never change the linen wrap. Know your investment and treat it accordingly. We collectors never drop a cue into a case, our cues are always pristine whether we keep it in a $20 or a $2000 case. Jack Justis makes the best looking case IMO, it's like an Armani suit for your cues, can't the the same about the other guy's(-:

 

[kvinbrwr]

I find John Barton to be very argumentive and very low class. I have met Jack Justis and he is a great guy in all regards as a case maker and person. As a high end cue collector I cherish my cues and blame only myself and not the case if damage were done to my cue. I have not ever been close to dropping my cues out of the case and I don't rattle the case the way that John does. His mentality is that things should be built like a tank. I disagree, when you buy things of luxury you can afford to have it go bad. You buy a Ferrari knowing that it will not drive over 100,000 miles like a Toyota would. If you are not happy with Mr. Justice's interior then fine change it, it's your case. However, don't knock on his interior because it is fine for what it does and he takes pride in the design. Let's not forget that every detail Is very well thought out in a Justis case. I like it the way it is. If I have a Bentley, I'm not going to change the rims. I have a Southwest cue and I will never change the linen wrap. Know your investment and treat it accordingly. We collectors never drop a cue into a case, our cues are always pristine whether we keep it in a $20 or a $2000 case. Jack Justis makes the best looking case IMO, it's like an Armani suit for your cues, can't the the same about the other guy's(-:

On the other hand, one of the main functions of a case is protection.

Your first sentence in your first post is a slam on a member?

Welcome to AZ, I guess.

Kevin

 

[rebelme801]

And yes, Szambotis are one of if not the best hitting cues out there and they will always go up in value. I have been lucky enough to play with a handful and they are my favorite cues.

Current players: Zylr cocobolo, '96 Franklin Southwest purple heart fancy
Break cue: Mezz
Case: High end Jack Justis white and brown or plain brown

 

[rebelme801]

Kevin,

Sorry if I was crass, just got done watching one of John's videos on how to attach his interior. I changed my mind after I saw how he treated the cue. You are right, if you want a fully protected cue than get a JB case, to me it doesn't matter. Just one guy's opinion.

 

[UGOTDA7]

Disregarding all of the background noise and personal history - my opinion is that Justis cases look better but that JB cases perform better.....this dynamic is true in a lot of comparative products. It really kinds of depends on the priorities of what you look for in a product.

My Justis case sits in a safe because I simply do not trust it to protect my cues. It's obvious to anybody with a lick of common sense that you do not want your cues/shafts moving around in a case. On the other hand I've never liked it when cues/shafts are crammed together tightly. To me this product looks like a good compromise - you get the style of a Justis case with JB protection.

And I for one enjoy JB's passion and the fact that he will engage in discussions about his products, be up front about things, explain in detail what he does, proactively make and post videos, actually demonstrate what he's talking about, take feedback to make improvements, maintain a sense of humor, and in the end enable us to be postured to make a fully informed choice about how and where we may choose to spend our money.

But in the end it really just comes down to choices.......and I like the fact that JB gives us more choices - and I don't see how having more choices as a consumer is ever a bad thing.

 

[UGOTDA7]

Kevin,

Sorry if I was crass, just got done watching one of John's videos on how to attach his interior. I changed my mind after I saw how he treated the cue. You are right, if you want a fully protected cue than get a JB case, to me it doesn't matter. Just one guy's opinion.

Do you think that maybe that treatment of the cue was for demonstration purposes?

 

[JB Cases]

Do you think that maybe that treatment of the cue was for demonstration purposes?

Not at all. I would and have done the same with ten thousand dollar cues

 

[UGOTDA7]

Not at all. I would and have done the same with ten thousand dollar cues

I think we're (at least I am) talking about the portion where the cue falls out of the Justis case, gets dropped, etc.

 

[rebelme801]

Yes, but it is the manner in how one does or says things that tell of your character. How many times did John say to Jack "eat your heart out"? I see that John has many friends on this site and that is respectable. Thanks for sharing your ideas, I agree that it is good to have choices. Jack Justis shared some wisdom with me a while back. He spends little time here arguing with John because he is happy with his life and has better things to do with his time and with that I agree. He isn't hiding anything, he isn't stubborn, he works hard to keep his customers. He knows he can't make everyone happy. Most important his cases should be appreciated and not constantly "fixed" or "upgraded". Here are some benefits of Justice's original design: 1) Easier to stand your cue up in the case when you are playing 2) More esthetic than having pillows on the inside IMO 3) Original intention and design. His design is done on purpose and not because he is ignorant about his customers' needs. Another high end case, whitten, can also be dinged by John for not offering enough protection. Is he trying to say "hey guys, why don't you listen to and copy me"? I have used Jack Justis cases for as long as I can remember and to this day there is no damage to any of my cues, so great job Jack! Hope I didn't offend anyone else. We pool players are a finicky bunch.

 

[JB Cases]

Yes, but it is the manner in how one does or says things that tell of your character. How many times did John say to Jack "eat your heart out"?

That was a joke in reference to a thread Jack started titled "eat your heart out John Barton". The folks standing around were all AZB readers and they got it right away.

I see that John has many friends on this site and that is respectable. Thanks for sharing your ideas, I agree that it is good to have choices.

Thanks.

Jack Justis shared some wisdom with me a while back. He spends little time here arguing with John because he is happy with his life and has better things to do with his time and with that I agree. He isn't hiding anything, he isn't stubborn, he works hard to keep his customers. He knows he can't make everyone happy. Most important his cases should be appreciated and not constantly "fixed" or "upgraded".

Well, that may be true but that didn't stop him from accusing me of design theft and saying that our cases WILL harm people's cues. As for saying Jack's cases should be appreciated and I guess "off limits" to modification I wholeheartedly disagree.

Once a maker delivers an item that item belongs to the customer. It's not rented or leased it is the customer's to modify as they wish to modify it. I have modified Whitten cases, Murnak cases, Justis cases, Bonner Cases, John Walker, J.E.F Q Cases, Swift, etc....

People modify their cues all the time with a new wrap, new shafts, new tapers, new ferrules, etc.... do you see cue makers going crazy or customers of the cue makers accosting those who modify their cues the way that some people are doing here? I don't.

Here are some benefits of Justice's original design: 1) Easier to stand your cue up in the case when you are playing

Easier than ours? Not at ALL. Not only does our interior hold the cue better but our cases also stand up better and more solidly. They don't slide and stay put either standing on their own or when leaning at any angle.

2) More esthetic than having pillows on the inside IMO

More aesthetic you mean? You think it's nicer looking to have square cavities which are loose bags as opposed to cushion that you know will protect your cue from movement and impact? Well ok, I don't see this as an advantage at all but then I look at a soft bed with a nice pillow and take comfort in how nice it will feel rather than a hard bench and no pillow.

3) Original intention and design. His design is done on purpose and not because he is ignorant about his customers' needs. Another high end case, whitten, can also be dinged by John for not offering enough protection. Is he trying to say "hey guys, why don't you listen to and copy me"?

So what? Just because a design is intentional doesn't mean it's any good. And of course Jack is not ignorant of his customer's needs or desires. He simply does not agree that the level of protection I offer is needed and flat out claims that our way will harm cues. A claim he cannot support. He simply IGNORES any customers who express a desire for more protection and even belittles anyone who agrees with me on this.

I have used Jack Justis cases for as long as I can remember and to this day there is no damage to any of my cues, so great job Jack! Hope I didn't offend anyone else. We pool players are a finicky bunch.

To which I say great. If you use a Justis and are completely satisfied then this thread IS NOT for you. I am not demanding you change but instead only offering a product that I am ABLE to offer for the reasons I state. Anyone who wants what I offer is someone who does not agree with you. Since you will NOT take responsibility for anyone else's cues then why try and convince them that they don't need what I am selling?

Let the Justis owners decide on their own without spoiling my for sale thread.

If the situation were reversed and someone were offering a sensible modification for my cases I would support them wholeheartedly and offer any advice I could to help their sales.

 

[rebelme801]

Well written John Barton. Sorry for hijacking your thread. I do like your products, but I hope you want to make friends instead of enemies. Good luck with your sales and thank you for taking the time to reply.