Kamui tips, or it is just me??

Kamui Black tips play 2 levels harder than the standard rating from what I have experienced. An easy guide is:

I Like .......... Buy Kamui Black

SS....................Don't
S......................Don't
M......................SS
H......................S
Break...............Med
Armor Piercing...H

trob said:
Yep. That's why they came out with $27 dollar chalk so you don't miscue with there shit tips.
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Another Vote for Ultraskins!

Blue Hog ridr said:
Just a Tip for you guys.

Ultra Skin tips. They have Kamui running scared right now.
You don't need special chalk or scuffers to make them work either.

Check out the tips in the Machinery Forum on AZ.
Tome Hays runs specials on his tips frequently and any AZ member is entitled
To special discounts and pricing.

They are considerably cheaper than a single Kamui tip.

I am at the point now where I only stock Ultra Skins and a couple of other brands.

I don't have to. People are coming up to me and asking for the same tip that I installed on
their friends cue. Word of mouth and I no longer have to sell them. They sell themselves for the most
part.

Do yourselves a favour and you will see why many people are trying and switching over to the Ultra Skins.
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I've tried the Kamui Black SS and a Kamui Black S. Of the two, I liked the SS better but it wasn't all that to me. I'm not saying anything bad about the Kamui tips I've tried, they were just "okay" and nothing special to me. However, I am saying I've found some other tips I really like.

I purchased three of Tom Hay's Ultraskins (one soft, one medium and one hard.) This past weekend I had soft and medium installed. I played with them both alternating between each for several hours. From the very firt to last shot with each, I was impressed and really liked them MUCH better than the Kamui. I'm not sure which I like better between the Ultraskin Soft or Medium but am currently leaning towards the Medium.

Another GREAT tip I've played with and like is the Milk Dud tip by PoolDawg8 here on AZB.

In my opinion, you'd like either the Ultraskins or the Milk Duds by these guys. Lastly, both give very timely responses if you have questions for them.

Muziq
 
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Ghosst said:
Kamui Black tips play 2 levels harder than the standard rating from what I have experienced. An easy guide is:

I Like .......... Buy Kamui Black

SS....................Don't
S......................Don't
M......................SS
H......................S
Break...............Med
Armor Piercing...H
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Never got the 'kamuis play much harder than other tips' myself, then again, I think Triangles are soft.

Anyone thinking a KBSS plays like an ordinary medium has a different scale to me. They are quite unbelievably soft.

I like how Kamui's hit, but they are miscue central for me.
 
Pathetic Shark said:
Never got the 'kamuis play much harder than other tips' myself, then again, I think Triangles are soft.

Anyone thinking a KBSS plays like an ordinary medium has a different scale to me. They are quite unbelievably soft.

I like how Kamui's hit, but they are miscue central for me.
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The Blacks and Tans installed around our pool hall have all been extremely hard. They have all been genuine and from different batches. I am not the only player here who has felt this way either. They are good tips, just extremely firm. Once a SS has been used for a short amount of time, they harden up and play like a Moori medium but glaze often.

I do play snooker with an Elk Master so I think I have a good index for what a soft tips feels like for me.
 
I also had too many miscues with the Kamui. I like the Milkdud tips, but honestly have gone back to Lepro. I may have to give the Ultraskins a try.

Woody
 
I've had the exact opposite results. I use master chalk, and my Kamui Black soft went a solid 3 weeks before I scuffed it for the first time after the original shaping. Only time I miscue is when I REALLY hit the ball bad. Scooping it on accident mostly.
 
anyone know where i can get some 15mm triangle tips? i've bought a few in the past and a friend,fatboy, just reminded me that they're more good ones in those boxes then there are in regular 13mm triangle tips. even hit or miss they're better than a kamui after it's passed its honeymoon period
 
Your mileage may vary.... Leather has elasticity to it but continued pounding can cause your tip to harden over time... Many tip makers simply use the same tip and different amounts of force to create a soft, medium or hard tip.... Let's say you happen to purchase a soft and it's from one of those companies.... After 4-6 weeks you are likely to have a medium... another 6 weeks and you may now have a hard.....

This happens over time so most players won't really notice it until they swap tips and realize the new tip plays different than the one they just took off....

The Kamui black seems to resist this better than other layered tips but I will say I have not had the chance to test the Ultra Skins or the G2s....

Even with the Kamui Blacks I have seen them harden 10% over a month and while scuffing them seems like it might help it's the whole tip that compresses not just the top layer....

I was out testing some of my Outsville Tips a few weeks ago with a durometer... I have a bunch of players using them at this particular hall and wanted to see how they were holding up... The room owner is a huge Kamui fan and wanted to see what I was doing and came over to have me test his Black Super Soft....

I checked it and it was a 68... He asked me what that meant and I told him absolutely nothing since I didn't have a clue as to what it was when he installed it but the ones I had tested were low 60s New.... He proceeded to pull out his Gator grip and sand off a layer or 2... When He was done I retested for him and he was surprised when it went right to 68 even after working on it......

While durometer hardness is not a good comparison for DIFFERENT tips it is a very good indicator of whether your tip is the same as it was when you bought it... Changes in durometer will almost without fail relate in the changes in COR as well... COR/Elasticity/Energy Transfer are way more related to feel than Shore D Hardness...

That's the reason you can have 3 tips that test at 70 on a shore d and one will feel hard, one soft and one medium......

Just food for thought BTW.... I feel that if a tip changes 10% or more from when you bought it you bought the wrong tip to start......

Chris
 
Espartaco_7 said:
Ultraskin med. Problem solved!
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Frankly, I can't tell the difference between an USM and a KBM. Both were great to start with but I have started to miscue more the more I've used them.

Disclaimer: I fiddle with my tips endlessly (insert gag here), hit virtually every shot at 100mph and have hated every layered tip I've ever used, so YMMV. What I can say for certain is, ultraskins are ten times better value than kamui blacks.
 
The Renfro said:
Your mileage may vary.... Leather has elasticity to it but continued pounding can cause your tip to harden over time... Many tip makers simply use the same tip and different amounts of force to create a soft, medium or hard tip.... Let's say you happen to purchase a soft and it's from one of those companies.... After 4-6 weeks you are likely to have a medium... another 6 weeks and you may now have a hard.....

This happens over time so most players won't really notice it until they swap tips and realize the new tip plays different than the one they just took off....

The Kamui black seems to resist this better than other layered tips but I will say I have not had the chance to test the Ultra Skins or the G2s....

Even with the Kamui Blacks I have seen them harden 10% over a month and while scuffing them seems like it might help it's the whole tip that compresses not just the top layer....

I was out testing some of my Outsville Tips a few weeks ago with a durometer... I have a bunch of players using them at this particular hall and wanted to see how they were holding up... The room owner is a huge Kamui fan and wanted to see what I was doing and came over to have me test his Black Super Soft....

I checked it and it was a 68... He asked me what that meant and I told him absolutely nothing since I didn't have a clue as to what it was when he installed it but the ones I had tested were low 60s New.... He proceeded to pull out his Gator grip and sand off a layer or 2... When He was done I retested for him and he was surprised when it went right to 68 even after working on it......

While durometer hardness is not a good comparison for DIFFERENT tips it is a very good indicator of whether your tip is the same as it was when you bought it... Changes in durometer will almost without fail relate in the changes in COR as well... COR/Elasticity/Energy Transfer are way more related to feel than Shore D Hardness...

That's the reason you can have 3 tips that test at 70 on a shore d and one will feel hard, one soft and one medium......

Just food for thought BTW.... I feel that if a tip changes 10% or more from when you bought it you bought the wrong tip to start......

Chris
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I've a couple of dumb tip questions, and you appear to know what you're talking about.

1. Can you press a soft layered tip to make it harder?

2. I have one of Tommy's pressed and soaked triangle duds on a 10.75mm cue I no longer play with, and want to cut it off and put it onto my 11.75 Z shaft. Obviously, it's a little small, so is it possible to press it to flatten it out so it'll fit? These are my favourite tips and I don't want to waste it - they're the only damn tips I've ever used that I never miscue with. As it's already been pressed once, would doing it again make it rock hard or affect the structural integrity?
 
westcoast said:
How do the Moori tips play?
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IMO, not as good as they did several years ago. I don't know what changed (manufacturing process???), but they just don't play as consistent as they used to.

I have yet to use a Kamui Black tip that I liked. I have just ordered and recieved a Kamui Black SS. It will be the last Kamui Black tip I buy if I don't like this one.

Maniac (gonna have to give the Ultra Skin tips a try)
 
Pathetic Shark said:
I've a couple of dumb tip questions, and you appear to know what you're talking about.

1. Can you press a soft layered tip to make it harder?

2. I have one of Tommy's pressed and soaked triangle duds on a 10.75mm cue I no longer play with, and want to cut it off and put it onto my 11.75 Z shaft. Obviously, it's a little small, so is it possible to press it to flatten it out so it'll fit? These are my favourite tips and I don't want to waste it - they're the only damn tips I've ever used that I never miscue with. As it's already been pressed once, would doing it again make it rock hard or affect the structural integrity?
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1. Yes you can press a soft and make it a harder tip... However it may still feel softer than another tip brand pressed to the same shore hardness... The main reason people repress tips is to eliminate the break in periods.. Most manufacturers offer the same exact tip as a hard, medium or soft and simply press it to where the tip feels like the advertised hardness... If you buy one of these tips you are going to want to replace them every 4-6 weeks unless you bought the hard....

The whole idea behind the Outsville Tips was offering tips that were not based on how they were pressed but based upon changing the chemistry and getting the highest COR in each hardness grade even tho on a Shore D there is NO difference......

2. Pressing a 10.75 to an 11.75 is a different story and the answer is also yes but you would likely want to soak it again hoping the fibers would stretch and not tear during the process... Dry pressing it would likely result in deteriorating the internal structure if the internal fibers experience any tearing when being pressed....

Hope that helps....

Chris
 
Ghosst said:
YMMV.

My Moori's have always been consistent, from break in to replacement.
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Ghosst I would have to say that since the changes are gradual you likely don't really notice them... Using a COR tester and durometer would likely tell the story since neither are subjective like feel......
 
All tips will get harder over time, but I've never had a Moori glaze over or become a rock. I keep mine on for about two months more than what is in my avatar picture playing 5-6 nights/week. They just work.
 
Ghosst said:
All tips will get harder over time, but I've never had a Moori glaze over or become a rock. I keep mine on for about two months more than what is in my avatar picture playing 5-6 nights/week. They just work.
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I won't ever argue they won't work... I played with Moori tips for quite awhile.. They are good tips..... What I will point out is that your statement about all tips getting harder is not as black and white as it sounds......

We will stick with the Moori III S, M and H......

Based on the old results I have on the compression... The Soft would harden 20% The medium would harden 7-8% and the Hard shouldn't compress further from play unless you are breaking with it.....

This is one of the reasons lots of pro players and higher end amateurs have started having their tips replaced on a time schedule instead of just looking at them and giving them the thumbs up... They are looking to keep a tip in spec and toss it right before it changes to the point that the new one they get doesn't play too much differently.....
 
Blue Hog ridr said:
Just a Tip for you guys.

Ultra Skin tips. They have Kamui running scared right now.
You don't need special chalk or scuffers to make them work either.

Check out the tips in the Machinery Forum on AZ.
Tome Hays runs specials on his tips frequently and any AZ member is entitled
To special discounts and pricing.

They are considerably cheaper than a single Kamui tip.

I am at the point now where I only stock Ultra Skins and a couple of other brands.

I don't have to. People are coming up to me and asking for the same tip that I installed on
their friends cue. Word of mouth and I no longer have to sell them. They sell themselves for the most
part.

Do yourselves a favour and you will see why many people are trying and switching over to the Ultra Skins.
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I bought a bunch of Ultra Skins a while ago but was too lazy to change out my Le Pro with one. Finally the Le Pro got too thin, so I put on an Ultra Skin soft. Holy cow! What a difference! I was so surprised that a soft tip hits so nice. Holds the chalk great, and all I do is use a Gator Grip to dress it up every few hours of practice.

I'll never even try a Kamui, not with these available at such a good (realistic) price. Tom Hay is the man when it comes to tips!
 
The Renfro said:
This is one of the reasons lots of pro players and higher end amateurs have started having their tips replaced on a time schedule instead of just looking at them and giving them the thumbs up... They are looking to keep a tip in spec and toss it right before it changes to the point that the new one they get doesn't play too much differently.....
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I guess those last 4 tournaments were a fluke since I do it the amateur way...

The only thing I do know is Mr. Moori makes a helluva tip.
Kamui's (which was the point of the thread) just aren't my cup of tea.
 
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