Yeah. Weird. Could've even been all that side spin on the ball caused by the tip of the side pocket, and the side spin died out just then and allowed the cb to roll naturally forward. The things you see on a pool table -- never ceases to amaze me.
Karl Boyes should he have been called for a foul!
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Yeah. Weird. Could've even been all that side spin on the ball caused by the tip of the side pocket, and the side spin died out just then and allowed the cb to roll naturally forward. The things you see on a pool table -- never ceases to amaze me.
Causal speculations made above about "staples under the cloth", cue ball spin, cue hitting the table are all incorrect. The cue ball very slightly changed course just as it passed the head string. This is where many break shots had been taken. The force of break shots is likeliest of all shots to cause a crumb of chalk from a freshly chalked cue to fly off and land at exactly that spot.
the cb clearly changed direction before the tip of the cue was smashed on the table.
No question there. It's not even close.
By the way, video frames don't help. The cue ball moves. I've never seen a frame were movement is happening. Movement needs spacetime, not just space. If you freeze the time, you freeze the movement.
No question there. It's not even close.
By the way, video frames don't help. The cue ball moves. I've never seen a frame were movement is happening. Movement needs spacetime, not just space. If you freeze the time, you freeze the movement.
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The best foul I saw called against Earl was about 5/6 years ago at the Riviera. He was playing a match against Bernie Pettipiece (one pocket) and kept talking while Bernie was shooting.
Bernie has great patience and is very composed at the table so he endured quite a bit before finally asking Earl politely to just sit and be quiet while he was shooting. As you can guess, Earl did not take this very well and just kept on talking. Bernie was forced to get the tournament official to come over and talk to Earl.
Let me backtrack a bit......The game count was 1-1 and the 3rd game was when most of this happened. It was coming down to the last few balls and Bernie was playing defense exceptionally well. Earl got frustrated and finally made a mistake that looked like Bernie would have a tough shot. Bernie, as usual, took his time and nailed it, leaving a easy last couple balls to make..... At this point, Earl raked the balls and started racking.
Now it gets priceless because there was a rule about conceding games. The rule stated that if you conceded a game, it would also cost you another game. So instead of the score being 2-1 in favor of Bernie, Earls concession added another game to make it 3-1 and that was it! Race is to 3 games and Bernie won.
Oh MAN! Earl went on tilt.....crazy stuff.
I know Bernie and he would have let the concession slide normally, but Earl was acting like such an ass and talking sooo much while Bernie was at the table. Bernie didn't really want to play any more under those conditions so he calmly walked over to the Tournament Directors table, explained what happened and they told Earl he lost the match. PRICELESS!
is there ANY chance there is a video of this?? I would love to see it!! xD
Overhead screen shots show the progession of this amazing coincidence....
From left to right: 1 - the ball is hugging the cushion and cue stick is coming down, 2 - still hugging, stick still moving, 3 - ball still hugging cushion, stick hitting table.
As the stick bounces off the table the ball begins to drift away from the cushion.....
From left to right: 1 - the ball is hugging the cushion and cue stick is coming down, 2 - still hugging, stick still moving, 3 - ball still hugging cushion, stick hitting table.
As the stick bounces off the table the ball begins to drift away from the cushion.....
Based on your overhead photos, in the 2nd photo, it looks like the tip of his cue did indeed hit or at least came extremely close to hitting the side rail cushion - the same cushion the CB was rolling down towards the corner pocket. I'm guessing there's a chance the vibration on the cushion when his cue hit it, could hypothetically cause the CB to veer off from the rail.Overhead screen shots show the progession of this amazing coincidence....
From left to right: 1 - the ball is hugging the cushion and cue stick is coming down, 2 - still hugging, stick still moving, 3 - ball still hugging cushion, stick hitting table.
As the stick bounces off the table the ball begins to drift away from the cushion.....
If for no other reason, that's why, I think a foul should have been called on him. I'm guessing there would have been little argument on his part, if the foul had been called, particularly considering how the CB changed direction off the cushion around the same time his cue tip hit the cushion or very close to it.
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Really? Try it on your table. No way. I say NOT even Dr Dave could pull that one off! I think the Russians did it.
I agree 100 percent. But I don't think you can make the cue ball move away from the rail by hitting your stick on the cushion. Maybe a centimeter away from the ball.
You, sir, are mistaken. Tip goes nowhere near the long rail. Even if it did It would not affect the cue balls roll that way.
I agree. A foul should be called on any weird occurrence like that, and let the ref review the shot to determine a final decision. Then again, we probably don't want video playback to run amuck on every other called foul like it has gotten with football. From Ralf's seat it more than likely just looked like a near scratch, if he was even watching or could see what was happening from there.
Overhead screen shots show the progession of this amazing coincidence....
From left to right: 1 - the ball is hugging the cushion and cue stick is coming down, 2 - still hugging, stick still moving, 3 - ball still hugging cushion, stick hitting table.
As the stick bounces off the table the ball begins to drift away from the cushion.....
The overhead images are lying to you. Watch the side view. The tip comes nowhere close to the long rail, it is plain as day and indisputable. I just rewatched the overhead replay and it is also clear as day and indisputable that the tip of his stick did not hit the rail at all. The problem with the overhead view is you do not have corroborating information to tell you how far above the rail the cue is when you can see it above the long rail. Watch the side view it without question corroborates that it did not go anywhere near the long rail, relatively speaking.
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It would be an easy test with help from a willing participant. But it was probably a fragment of chalk or other dislodged particle caused by the slamming of the cue. The cushion wasn't hit. I wonder....did anyone rush to the table after the match to try and solve the mystery roll?
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I realize this. The tip strikes the table bed right in front of the pocket. It does not hit the cushion. Could've been chalk from the break as someone has already mentioned. Or could've been chalk from his tip or a tiny fragment of chalk that happened to be on the cloth exactly where he slammed the tip down. Hard to tell, but I surely would be calling a foul if I were standing close enough to see a roll like this after my opponent slams his cue or kicks the table or whatever. The timing is just too suspect, too coincidental.
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and to be certain no foul should have been called. Are you freaking kidding me? Get a life! His cue disrupted nothing meaning there was no possible physical foul. As far as an unsportsmanlike foul, they don't just hand them out like candy, and it certainly should take a lot more than that to warrant one. Is it a bad look when any player does that on any stage? Sure. Is it done all the time, even by world class players? You betcha. Get over it, it is a non issue.
yes I realize my mistake. I think I took someone else's response as your own interpretation. It is funny how the brains of pool players work. We didn't shoot the shot and it did not affect us in any direct way, yet we still need to understand WHY?! We are so used to dissecting what happens on every shot in order to be able to plan for it next time, we just can't let anything go unexplained, that does not compute.
Tables fault, ive seen guys hit the butt of their cue on the table and not effect the path of the cue ball, or slam other balls. Whats impressive is after he was obviously dumb struck he nailed the next shot. How many times have you seen someone make a bad hit or get flustered and then completely dog the next ball :thud: