Keep missing ball in same spot??? and straight shot...

[Benward452]

Good point.

My 'vision center' is not directly below my dominant (left) eye. It is just to the right of my left eye.

Fortunately, there are drills and tools that can help in determining your 'vision center'.

Bradsh98, care to share your thoughts on the drills and tools which are most effective?

Thanks!

Ben

 

[LAMas]

It isn't that easy to keep your head and eyes directly over the cue in the correct location - vision center. Sometimes you may tilt your head a bit.

I find that putting the cue next to or touching my chin I get more accuracy. If I'm off, I move it a bit to the side of my chin until the straight in shot goes in 10 for 10.

Some times it seems that my vision center is not always in the same location under my chin so I adjust. Some good shooters place their cue next to their cheek - it works for them.

Be well.

 

[7forlife]

Ok so i can see my problem here is can't find the center of cue ball or dominant eyes. But the strange thing is, when i did this dirll from Dr.Dave " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=680o8EChP_o " , i did it 10 out of 10, no problem at all. Is that the right drill to check?

i'm willing to bet money that you only did this shooting at the same pocket (not being disrespectful, just saying). Switch sides and get back to me on how you did. I'll get you that diagram in a sec

 

[7forlife]

(I cut this image and did not post the link to it)
Once again, I have no clue what shot you have a problem with as you have not alluded to this, but here is what i meant. If you shoot this shot and always miss it at A then put a ball at B. If you are at all consistent in what you do the CB should bump B the exact same way (we're not talking about speed). If you set "YOUR" shot up the exact same way "using the paper donuts to ensure accuracy" then this till let you know for sure what "just" happened and what happened before.
i.e. let's say when you make it the CB hits B square in the face then this should happen next time you make it (result: you will know things like are you shooting into the same part of the pocket, hitting the CB higher/lower/left/right (all of these things can be done and still make the ball)
Your Part: Pay extremely close attention to your stance and approach and more intention to collusion (the point when the CB hits the OB) and you keep shifting inwards or outwards until you see what the shot really looks like.

Tip: Use the circle where the number of the ball is displayed as a contact point, this way all you have to focus on is shooting the CB straight, when you get a feel for the shot turn the OB or use a CB as the OB so that you have to find the spot on your own.

 

[7forlife]

ha, just realized that i didn't put the image.

 

[bbb]

I've been playing pool more often (3 or 4 times and about 4-5 hours each time) for 1 year. Before that, i am totally a noob (like know very little, do all wrong techniques, not straight arm). My ultimate goal is able to run out 9 ball rack.

So after 1 year i can see i made huge improvement (i can run out about 1 or 2 times every practice session- which i can never do it before) however i still not satisfy with that. Please dont bash me when i say this: i thought with amount of time i spend, i should do much better than that, like i should comfortable run out more often. But right now i still keep missing the ball a lots

And then i find out that whenever i miss the ball, i miss in the same spot (like if i miss in the left of the pocket, next 4 or 5 shots i still hit object ball to exactly spot i miss before). Miss but it is very consistent miss (sound weird right). That lead to another problem: STRAIGHT SHOT. One pro told me that straight shot is the most important shot in pool. That's reason why this is the shot i practice the most but i still miss a lots even after 1 year playing(i can say this is my pool most weakness) and once again, when i miss, i only miss in same spot.


So guys, what's happening with my aiming? Any tips that i can improve my aiming (potting ball). I do wear glasses, is that a thing make me keep missing the ball??

Thank you!!!

i havent read any other responces
so
if you miss straight ins consistenetly
either your vision center is off (most likely)
or your stroke has a consistent flaw
i am not an instructor so
icbw

 

[bradsh98]

I have yet to find any information on the web, regarding a technique that was shown to me by a local player/coach.. I'll continue searching, as I won't be able to explain it, without proper visuals. It was a very simple setup, using only a piece of white paper, with a straight black line down the center. The paper was folded in such a way (perpendicular to the line), that raised about a 4 inch portion of the line, approximately 3/4" above the surface of the table, when the paper was laying flat. The paper was folded carefully, so that the line was still straight, despite having a raised section. When you get down in your stance, you lower yourself so that you can see the line on all 3 sections of the paper. Then, you stroke your cue, holding it just above the raised section of the paper. This shows you where your head should be, in relation to the cue, to be centered above your vision center.

Anyhow, you may want to check this link, as it has some good info:

http://billiards.colostate.edu/bd_articles/2011/july11.pdf

Bradsh98, care to share your thoughts on the drills and tools which are most effective?

Thanks!

Ben

 

[Scott Lee]

BABYfrHEAVEN...A better test is to shoot the CB up and down the centerline, back to the tip of your cue, without moving. Try to do it at lag speed, and then increase your speed, until you can come back and hit your tip with a break speed swing. Missing the vertical axis by even a millimeter or two can have a huge effect on how the CB comes back off the cushion. Our students know this as Mother Drill 4.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Ok so i can see my problem here is can't find the center of cue ball or dominant eyes. But the strange thing is, when i did this dirll from Dr.Dave " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=680o8EChP_o " , i did it 10 out of 10, no problem at all. Is that the right drill to check?

 

[7forlife]

BABYfrHEAVEN...A better test is to shoot the CB up and down the centerline, back to the tip of your cue, without moving. Try to do it at lag speed, and then increase your speed, until you can come back and hit your tip with a break speed swing. Missing the vertical axis by even a millimeter or two can have a huge effect on how the CB comes back off the cushion. Our students know this as Mother Drill 4.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

I am going to have to respectfully disagree with this at the moment. While this will tell you if you're cueing straight what it won't do is tell you how you're "seeing the shot". So while you will be the person who can do this consistently all you'll be able to do is "shoot the ball straight" and still never know if your perception of the cut angle is off.

Every single person knows "where" to hit the OB but there are multiple reason why they can't make the ball

Why the OP needs to do is have someone 100% qualified observe them shoot or post a video of not just himself playing but the shot in which this thread is based, the one that we still don't know.

 

[CreeDo]

You're doing very well... you already know a straight arm is important. You must also watch your feet, and your head position. Head position helps you see the cut shot angle better, and it can help to turn your head a little for different cuts. Try the video "Perfect Aim"... a little expensive but helpful.

Also try a little pause before you shoot every shot... do it for several hours.

Arm back ... wait 1 or 2 seconds ... arm forward.

This makes it easier for you to see if you have bad habits with your arm, like trying to steer left or right. And you will have an easier time seeing if the cue ball goes to the exact spot you want.

 

[Scott Lee]

And I'll have to respectfully disagree with you. Either someone can do this drill or they can't. Tiny errors in perception can cause the CB not to come back straight...especially at higher speeds...just like errors in your swing can result in missing coming back straight. Finding your vision center and learning a personal eye pattern also help with these corrections. It is correctlng this "straight-on" perception that is responsible for "seeing" cut angles properly, as well as executing the shot perfectly. They are tied directly to each other. There are only two ways to miss...stroke poorly or line up incorrectly. I agree with your comment to have a qualified person look at the OP's stroke. My recommendation would be an instructor who uses video analysis.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

I am going to have to respectfully disagree with this at the moment. While this will tell you if you're cueing straight what it won't do is tell you how you're "seeing the shot". So while you will be the person who can do this consistently all you'll be able to do is "shoot the ball straight" and still never know if your perception of the cut angle is off.

Every single person knows "where" to hit the OB but there are multiple reason why they can't make the ball

Why the OP needs to do is have someone 100% qualified observe them shoot or post a video of not just himself playing but the shot in which this thread is based, the one that we still don't know.

 

[7forlife]

And I'll have to respectfully disagree with you. Either someone can do this drill or they can't. Tiny errors in perception can cause the CB not to come back straight...especially at higher speeds...just like errors in your swing can result in missing coming back straight. Finding your vision center and learning a personal eye pattern also help with these corrections. It is correctlng this "straight-on" perception that is responsible for "seeing" cut angles properly, as well as executing the shot perfectly. They are tied directly to each other. There are only two ways to miss...stroke poorly or line up incorrectly. I agree with your comment to have a qualified person look at the OP's stroke. My recommendation would be an instructor who uses video analysis.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

are you saying that someone can't stroke poorly and make the ball and also that simply knowing (or correcting as you say) one's straight-on corrects how a person view the cut angle?

If that is the case I would like to hear your opinion on how someone with solid vision centerness under or over cuts a ball. And before you say stroke i'm going to say that they are pretty damn solid at that also.

on a side note, as great as shooting the ball up and down the table may be it does not hold a candle IMO to how someone view the overlap of a cut shot, I don't care how straight they can shoot. We can chit chat back and forth (but we won't, right?) but if the OP does not know why he keeps hitting the long rail on that cut for the corner is because he needs to aim for the back of the pocket not the front (AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WOULD HE JUST TELL US WHAT SHOT HE KEEPS MISSING) them his perfect aim and stroke is pointless, cause he is actually doing everything right and hitting his contact point exact but his "perception of the overlap" is way off.

sometimes it take a lot of adjusting and adjusting and adjusting on that shot to run it from the head string all the way down to the corner pocket before you realize how much thinner or fuller depending on the cut angle that you can go, and this is all that i'm suggesting to the OP (based on the informationless information that he gave us/me)

 

[YOLO]

It's the process of elimination. If your having a consistent problem you don't change or test 10 elements at once. You change/test one at a time in order to drill down to the actual issue. Scott suggestion is probably a good starting point, IMO. It may not be the issue but the only way to know is to put it to the test. If it's an issue work on correcting it. If it's not move on to the next one.