Keith McCready Alive and Kickin'

That is a cool story. Efren in the house! California was rocking and rolling in pool during this time.

Back in that era, there was a player known as "Charlie the Ape," a name that still echoes around old pool circles. He was a presence, one of those pool characters people remembered. When Keith was just a young gun, out on the road in the Midwest, Ronnie Allen set a game up between Keith and Minnesota Fats. Fats was curious how the young gun shot. Charlie the Ape was also in the house and shared a room with Keith and Ronnie. Fats and Keith played for a nickel a game, and Keith won eight dimes’ worth. It was a fun exhibition, though. The entire house was rooting for Fats, and Keith said he's be rooting for Fats too if he wasn't in action. Keith said he was laughing just as much as the railbirds, watching Fats put on a show. It was a once-in-a-lifetime experience. Fats paid him off in $500 bills, but not just any bills. He signed every single one of them as he handed them over and not a stamped signature either. He knew exactly what that meant to a young player like Keith. Those bills weren’t just money; they were history. Priceless. And then they were gone. When Keith and Ronnie woke up the next morning, Charlie the Ape and Keith’s winnings were missing, and those signed bills were never seen again.

Fast forward years later, Keith and I are living in D.C., and out of nowhere, we get a call from a police department in California. They’re working a cold case and want to fly out to question Keith. Now I am thinking if they’re spending that kind of money to come across the country, this can’t be small. A week later, two detectives show up at our door. I checked their credentials before letting them in. Turns out, they were investigating the murder of Charlie the Ape. He had been found shot to death in a car years earlier, and the case had gone cold.

The court reporter in me, I recorded the whole conversation, with their permission, which lasted about an hour in my living room. I was wondering if there was something in Keith's past that I was not aware of, like murder. They asked Keith why they called him "Charlie the Ape.” Without missing a beat, Keith stands up and starts walking around the room like an ape, demonstrating exactly how the nickname came about. One detective put his hand over his mouth, as he couldn't control his laughter at Keith's demonstration. The other one chuckled. The rest of the conversation from there on in was more lax after that exhibition.

They left, and we never heard from them again. Later, I learned they had been reaching out to other pool players in California from that era, trying to piece things together. If memory serves me right, Mary Kenniston told me she was questioned too. Life on the road back then, it wasn’t just about the game. It was stories like this, some funny, some unbelievable, and some that never quite find their ending.

Keith still talks to Jeff Patterson every single day, who lives out in the Palm Springs area. He’s lucky to still have pool buddies from days gone by. A lot of the old crew is gone now. But the stories? They’re still very much alive
Good story Jennie. Ya, Charlie used to be good action when he came into the Orange County Sports Arena--but he matched up real snug so it was usually difficult to win anything. When I knew him he was an even tempered guy around the OC Sports Arena. Of course Keith knew him from years before. I believe for some period of time he was in the unofficial pharmaceutical business and the treachery around that enterprise probably had something to do with his murder. I recently exchanged messages with Jeff. It sounds like he is taking much better care of his health these days as well. I hope to meet up with him either in Palm Springs or here before the end of the year. I'm in Oceanside, CA now. There are also plenty of crazy funny episodes around a character who died about 15 years ago, "Mercedes Dave." He had a beautiful home in near Bob's Billiards in La Palma, CA with a pool table in the living room. It was debauchery central for a while. He made big bucks by running a "legal" scam where he had a boiler room of employees calling people to donate to the so called Firemen's Benovolent Fund. Until he was broke (he was later driving a jalopy), Dave liberally funded action, refreshments, etc. I'm sure Keith will laugh if you mention this to him.
 
charlie the ape was a name every player heard. he was a drug dealer and almost short stop pool player and usually lost. as he played too many better players. scary as he was, not often had issues.
he hung with keith for a time and was his backer. but couldn't be trusted. maybe keith had a way with him.
he also was a card cheat playing short cards. in the end he got it mob style in the back of the head.
 
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charlie the ape was a name every player heard. he was a drug dealer and almost short stop pool player and usually lost. as he played too many better players. scary as we was, not often had issues.
he hung with keith for a time and was his backer. but couldn't be trusted. maybe keith had a way with him.
he also was a card cheat playing short cards. in the end he got it mob style in the back of the head.
I remember him from the original Hard Times. I wandered in a couple times out of curiosity. Practiced a little bit on Keith's super tight. I remember the bankroll they kept. An actual roll of cash 4, 5 inches in diameter like toilet paper. No safe lol. Charlie was there every time I was there. I thought he owned the place. Just a glimpse of real life I suppose...
 
hey, was the original hard times in the up stairs bell flower billiards. its been a long time and im not sure. i used to go very late at night to bell flower billiards long ago.
dark out so dont know what things looked like around there.
 
hey, was the original hard times in the up stairs bell flower billiards. its been a long time and im not sure. i used to go very late at night to bell flower billiards long ago.
dark out so dont know what things looked like around there.
Far as I know that was the Palace. Guy went by Butch was running it at the time. They had billiard tables two super tight 9' ers and the legendary payball table. Hard Times was in O.C. at the end of the I5. I thought that was Newport (only went down there at night lol) but it was Costa Mesa. Sawdust on the floor, less than 10 tables maybe.
 
Far as I know that was the Palace. Guy went by Butch was running it at the time. They had billiard tables two super tight 9' ers and the legendary payball table. Hard Times was in O.C. at the end of the I5. I thought that was Newport (only went down there at night lol) but it was Costa Mesa. Sawdust on the floor, less than 10 tables maybe.
Hardtimes was in Bellflower. Just South of the 91 and Bellflower Blvd near Artesia.
 
okay vern petersen owned bell flower billiards .he was there . i was there. maybe it was also call the palace. he sold to a guy named butch something.
then it all went to hard times is that right?

then i never went to hard times.
 
Hardtimes was in Bellflower. Just South of the 91 and Bellflower Blvd near Artesia.
That was HT2.

okay vern petersen owned bell flower billiards .he was there . i was there. maybe it was also call the palace. he sold to a guy named butch something.
then it all went to hard times is that right?

then i never went to hard times.
It was always the Palace to me (70s) I missed all the monster action. They did have the golf game going, I guess those guys were small businessmen. Anyway the Palace moved down the street a few blocks, they setup a room for the golf table and one maybe two other 10' snooker tables. maybe half dozen gold crownish tables including one super tight. I can't remember if they called that the Palace or Hardtimes. Next I know big Hardtimes was in full swing up the street. Keith should know all this stuff. @JAM ???
 
I think it was the magnitude of his ups and downs that made his story so important to tell. Everybody knows that he was a legendary talent at the pooltable and everybody knows that he had many demons to overcome, the kind some never manage to overcome. For many like me, learning that he has managed to find such a stable and tranquil life is inspirational, and the role you played in making that happen is a story well told.
Indeed. I don’t know what it is about this game, but many brilliant players seemed to be plagued by demons, and sadly, most succumb to them and crash and burn. As you so eloquently stated, the very fact that he has found stability and tranquility in the twilight of his life is truly inspirational. It’s nice to see someone come through it, and make it out, and find some peace.
 
They left, and we never heard from them again. Later, I learned they had been reaching out to other pool players in California from that era, trying to piece things together. If memory serves me right, Mary Kenniston told me she was questioned too. Life on the road back then, it wasn’t just about the game. It was stories like this, some funny, some unbelievable, and some that never quite find their ending.
Did they ever solve his murder case that you know of?
 
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okay vern petersen owned bell flower billiards .he was there . i was there. maybe it was also call the palace. he sold to a guy named butch something.
then it all went to hard times is that right?

then i never went to hard times.
I'd like to here some stories from the Peterson days.
 
i didnt go there so much. as it was over a half hour drive and i didn't get much action there. as too many good players, and if you didn't play them they knocked your action even with lies. so i mostly side bet. carefully.


that is the problem often with pool players. they have to knock others action, or try to hone in on it. then come around and ask to borrow gas money. ha ha to that.
 
i didnt go there so much. as it was over a half hour drive and i didn't get much action there. as too many good players, and if you didn't play them they knocked your action even with lies. so i mostly side bet. carefully.


that is the problem often with pool players. they have to knock others action, or try to hone in on it. then come around and ask to borrow gas money. ha ha to that.
This reminds me of a quote from Minnesota Fats on a Johnston City video: Hey, ain't everybody hustling? Yeah, everybody's scuffling. You see, there's two different -- there's a scuffler and a hustler. A hustler is one that's always in action and gets it once in a while, see, and a good hustler gets it more often. Then there's a scuffler. He never gets it. Understand? All he ever does is waste his time, gets in everybody's way, complaining about others who do get aciton. You understand? He goes through life, and he's a failure.
 
That was HT2.


It was always the Palace to me (70s) I missed all the monster action. They did have the golf game going, I guess those guys were small businessmen. Anyway the Palace moved down the street a few blocks, they setup a room for the golf table and one maybe two other 10' snooker tables. maybe half dozen gold crownish tables including one super tight. I can't remember if they called that the Palace or Hardtimes. Next I know big Hardtimes was in full swing up the street. Keith should know all this stuff. @JAM ???
Oh, yes. I have heard many a pool tale from this era. Walking into a pool room like this was always like walking into the home of an old friend. Everybody knew each other, and you didn't want to miss a day going to the pool room because there was always something happening that was fun and sometimes epic.
 
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Good story Jennie. Ya, Charlie used to be good action when he came into the Orange County Sports Arena--but he matched up real snug so it was usually difficult to win anything. When I knew him he was an even tempered guy around the OC Sports Arena. Of course Keith knew him from years before. I believe for some period of time he was in the unofficial pharmaceutical business and the treachery around that enterprise probably had something to do with his murder. I recently exchanged messages with Jeff. It sounds like he is taking much better care of his health these days as well. I hope to meet up with him either in Palm Springs or here before the end of the year. I'm in Oceanside, CA now. There are also plenty of crazy funny episodes around a character who died about 15 years ago, "Mercedes Dave." He had a beautiful home in near Bob's Billiards in La Palma, CA with a pool table in the living room. It was debauchery central for a while. He made big bucks by running a "legal" scam where he had a boiler room of employees calling people to donate to the so called Firemen's Benovolent Fund. Until he was broke (he was later driving a jalopy), Dave liberally funded action, refreshments, etc. I'm sure Keith will laugh if you mention this to him.
Reminds me very much of an AzBilliards "regular" who made a big chunk of cheese off of unsuspecting consumers.

So many characters back in the day! Keith said there were a "couple of Mercedes Daves. He asked me to ask you if the last name of your Mercedes Dave was "Hershey Corn" (phonetic).

The news anchor on the Johnston City news reel video clip is from Chicago local News 5 with Dick Kay occurred in 1972. I loved the broadcaster's deep voice narrating all the the festivities and the brief snippets of the attendees, showing the cash moving back and forth between hands. The news anchor speaks about the man in the python shoes, none other than Minnesota Fats, and my favorite line is underlined below. Everybody's got a little larceny in them, whether it's hustling pool, avoiding taxes, creative tax deductions, fibbing on a CV, et cetera.

Then there's the King of the Hustlers, Minnesota Fats, who helped put the Johnston City tournament together. Fats lives about 12 miles from the show bar, but he never plays in the tournament. He waits for someone to win the $20,000 prize money and then shoots them for the cash. That's his hustle, but according to Fats, everybody's got one.
 
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Reminds me very much of an AzBilliards "regular" who made a big chunk of cheese off of unsuspecting consumers.
I'd like to here some stories from the Peterson days.
Keith said Vern Peterson never really gambled that much. He played straight pool. He used to play in the straight pool tournaments with Luther Lassiter, Joe Balsis, Petey Margo, Larry Lisciotti, Cowboy Jimmy Moore.

I tried to press Keith for more stories about Vern Peterson, and he couldn't come with any, other than to say, "I never went to dinner with him." :giggle:

He said Vern would come to the pool room in the afternoon and leave at night. Keith said he saw him playing at the Elks Lodge a couple times.
 
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